1 on 1, who would win? Orks or Imperium?

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**ChaoticOrkz**

Two enclaves that humanity can not penetrate!!

**Emperors Faithful**

Ooooh! 2 enclaves! WOW!
2 enclaves Vs WHOLE IMPERIUM!!!!!

**Manchu**

And no evidence about how serious the Imperium attempts were.

**ChaoticOrkz**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ooooh! 2 enclaves! WOW!
2 enclaves Vs WHOLE IMPERIUM!!!!!

Remember the thread is not about the 2 enclaves vs the whole imperium
its ALL the orks vs ALL the imperium!

**Manchu**

ChaoticOrkz wrote:Remember the thread is not about the 2 enclaves vs the whole imperium
its ALL the orks vs ALL the imperium!

No it's not. It's about who would win if there were no other races except for Orks and the Imperium not about who would win if the Orks all banned together (i.e., began to act and think like the Imperium). Even without Eldar and Necrons and Tyranids besetting them, Orks would never cease to fight each other and thus could never be united.

**ChaoticOrkz**

yes but no matter how many orks you kill their spores will continuously keep them returning and spores dont just stay on the planet but they latch on to space hulks or ships or wahtever their called which can transfer the spores to other worlds in which orks can manifest

**Corpsesarefun**

Manchu wrote:
ChaoticOrkz wrote:Remember the thread is not about the 2 enclaves vs the whole imperium
its ALL the orks vs ALL the imperium!

No it's not. It's about who would win if there were no other races except for Orks and the Imperium not about who would win if the Orks all banned together (i.e., began to act and think like the Imperium). Even without Eldar and Necrons and Tyranids besetting them, Orks would never cease to fight each other and thus could never be united.

If a great enough warlord existed then orks could band together, if humans didnt have the emperor then they would fight amoung themselves

**Manchu**

Again, absolute genocide is not the only acceptable condition of victory for the Imperium. If the Ork no longer poses a significant threat to the Imperium, no matter how many survive, then the Ork have lost in the Imperium's eyes. This is a facet in which the Imperium are similar to the Eldar.

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corpsesarefun wrote:If a great enough warlord existed then orks could band together, if humans didnt have the emperor then they would fight amoung themselves

That is 100%, absolutely, entirely, and completely correct. Now you can understand why he is worshiped.

**ChaoticOrkz**

But absolute genocide is the ONLY way to completely stop the Orks or they will continue to harass and assault the imperium!

**Manchu**

In this case, orks would be something like mosquitoes. If you are bitten by a few mosquitoes and you happen to be a very big animal, you will not notice it. It might as well not have happened.

**ChaoticOrkz**

But since you say (manchu)

If the Ork no longer poses a significant threat to the Imperium, no matter how many survive, then the Ork have lost in the Imperium's eyes.

than in the orks eyes they didnt lose becuase again i'll say
"Orkses is never beatn in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die so it don't count as beat. If we runs for it we don't die neither, so we can always come back for anuvver go, see!"

**Corpsesarefun**

Manchu wrote:In this case, orks would be something like mosquitoes. If you are bitten by a few mosquitoes and you happen to be a very big animal, you will not notice it. It might as well not have happened.

Then orks will just spore and come back nastier than ever.
Unless the ork threat is COMPLETELY obliterated then it will always be present.

**HellsGuardian316**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Look at the title.
Obviously it's gonna be the Imperium. Only insane people would say orks.
+ = and

Actually that fully depends on the criteria, if you looked at the 40K universe as it stands today and removed the elements of Eldar, Tau, Chaos, etc, so that the only two factions were orks and Imperium then "yes" the imperium would win.

However, what is commonly said is that if the orks were to unite under one banner then the galaxy would be swept away in a sea of green skins.

**Manchu**

The Ork's point of view is not material to their marginalization even if it never leaves to their extinction. On the other hand, the Imperium is fanatically xenophobic and may just divert enough of its vast resources into wiping the Orks out in this, Humanity's galaxy.

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hellsguardian316 wrote:Actually that fully depends on the criteria, if you looked at the 40K universe as it stands today and removed the elements of Eldar, Tau, Chaos, etc, so that the only two factions were orks and Imperium then "yes" the imperium would win.

That is both the point of this thread and the right answer. I award you with this medal:

**HellsGuardian316**

Man, i really ought to pay more attention when posting, didn't realise there was 3pages to this thread lol

Its friday, had lousy sleep, feel like hell .. .. thats my excuse anyway and I'm sticking to it

**Manchu**

Don't worry about it, man. I mean, you got a medal. Things are looking up!

**ChaoticOrkz**

This war could be a never ending cycle.

IF the imperium were to push the orks to the outer limits of the galaxy as you all CLAIM it can than the worlds where orks had fought and died and all the space crafts and vehicles involved in those battles will be littered with spores and more orks will manifest and again the cycle will start anew.

**Manchu**

Perhaps so. But if it is actually possible, I would contend that the Imperium would find a way to effectively exterminate the Ork race. I just don't think it's actually possible.

**ChaoticOrkz**

Since i've been quoting a lot from the libros that i have i think its only right that i throw this one out there
"In the grim darkness of the far future there is only War"

**HellsGuardian316**

As the universe stands at the moment, orks are still operating as seperate armies, fighting and killing each other as well as being killed by other races. This is the only thing keeping their numbers in check as their reproduction is far superior than any other race in the 40K universe.

This is why the Imperium and Space Marines target the Warlord before their Waaghhh becomes to big, because the infighting for smaller orks to take control of the waaghh will keep them occupied for a long time and sometimes its the only thing the Imperium can do when they can't stretch the resources.

Because of this, if the Imperium was able to soley concentrate on one enemy.."the orks".. then they would be able to push them back out of the galaxy and eliminate the threat of losing the whole galaxy. The orks infighting and constant battle for control of their warbands would give the imperium a long term upper hand.

However, orks can never truely be defeated, and therefore as a race cannot be destroyed. You could stop the orks being a threat to the Imperium as a whole, but you can never stop small uprising on individual worlds so the Imperium would never be able to let its guard down from the risk of uprisings of orks.

If the orks ever became smart enough (and we know they wouldn't) to realise what is going on and banded together, then the outcome will be a different story altogether and if done early enough, the Imperium would lose big time.

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IMHO anyways

Thanks for the medal Machu, hehe, will wear it with pride

**Manchu**

Yes, it's a high honor. "Gold Aquila For Not Dying In The Battle We Just Fought." Very few servants of the Empire get one of those. I should warn you, however, that recipients inevitably also are posthumously awarded with this one,

, which is the "Grand Cross For Sacrificing One's Life In The Line Of Service To The Emperor."

**ChaoticOrkz**

aww wheres my trophy? a space marin helm? an gaurdsmens leg?
not even a finger?

**Manchu**

ChaoticOrkz wrote:aww wheres my trophy? a space marin helm? an gaurdsmens leg?
not even a finger?

Sound the trumpets!

I hearby present you, ChaoticOrkz, with this wedge of cheese to commemorate your noble devotion to the Orks and their cheesiest of cheesy fluff. Now let us all raise a glass to the invincible Gork and Mork!

**ChaoticOrkz**

I will mount that cheese on my bosspole!
it just so happens cheese is my second love, right behind ORKS!

Dont forget the Immortal Jeebus!

**Manchu**

Naturally. They go so well together--from what I've heard of their codex.

**ChaoticOrkz**

Most of the fluff i was pulling was from imperial servants doing studys on Orks it just happened to be in an ork codex.

**Xav**

Still the OP question was Who would win fair battle?

Answer Orks, in longterm strategic battle: Answer noone.

**Manchu**

Xav wrote:Still the OP question was Who would win fair battle?

Answer Orks, in longterm strategic battle: Answer noone.

Oh, Xav. I think you'd better re-read this thread, my friend.

**ChaoticOrkz**

and now the debate continues!
i say its a stalemate becuase the orks can not be killed and according to this thread the imperium can demolish the Orks(which i still believe is false)

**Xav**

Manchu trillions of orks vs a few billion guard+million marines, now they all land on planets and start a huge fight, fair fight and who would win.

That is what the OP asked what your talking about it Space marine disrupting Ork movement etc strategic gak, this is combat fair fight no tricks all the orks vs all the marines and hey chuck in a primarch or two for the imperial side its gonna be a massarce.

Manchu your avioding the main topic.