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metallifan wrote:(Specifically, if Sicarius, Tigerius and Calgar are all away and too far to make it back in time (Because those Spehssjerks can defeat anything)

Let's not even touch on Ventris.

Please.

Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:So? Unless the Imperium moved the corpses off-planet before they rotted, all the biomass will still be there. Remember that matter is neither created nor destroyed, it merely changes forms.

So you are saying that a Hive Fleet, one just like the one that got bitchslapped to next week, should go and attack them again? The Hive Mind may be Simple, but it isn't stupid.

No. I'm saying that the biomass would still be there. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Unless they used Orbital Bonbaonbardlements to convert the biomass into energy or heat or some other form of less useful matter.

Gwar! wrote:Don't forget Elrad. You know he'd make both Maccrage and the Hive Fleet Invisible so they crash into each other.

Yea but he's just a dick and while he was turning them invisible, Slaanesh would likely pop up randomly and nom his soul. Again.

Gwar! wrote:Unless they used Orbital Bonbaonbardlements to convert the biomass into energy or heat or some other form of less useful matter.

Matter can't be converted to energy. That would be destroying it. It will still be matter if you vaporize it.

Deathbot wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Unless they used Orbital Bonbaonbardlements to convert the biomass into energy or heat or some other form of less useful matter.

Matter can't be converted to energy. That would be destroying it. It will still be matter if you vaporize it.

Lrn2E=MC^2.

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I'm sorry, I had to.

Deathbot wrote:Matter can't be converted to energy. That would be destroying it. It will still be matter if you vaporize it.

You heard it on Dakka Folks. Einstein and Stellar Nuclear Fusion are all rubbish!

E=MC^2 ... Look it up.

Edit: Dern it, Ninja'd. I'll link then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
READ AND BE EDUMACATED

Eldrad

What a dick.


Now, here's the thing we're missing in this whole 'macragge' dealio.

That wasn't a whole hive fleet
What attacked Macragge, and was defeated, was a scouting force of Hive Ships. If we take a look at all of the various maps presented to us, we can see an awful lot of hive fleet still on it, even around Macragge.



As you can see, that was definitely not the whole thing.

*ahem*

It's not a creature

yes it is...

everything tyranid is organic...

all tyraniddy stuff is effectively one immense creature, hence the hive mind

thats why in the fluff, you hear about ships that have been boarded by 'nids, and as they are ships, thers not much organic life floatin' around, but the tyranid equivalent of a space ship just sorta attaches itself to it like a giganto-mega-uber-squid and sucks it dry...









of usable materials, even the minerals used to build the ship, so you just get a big ol' husk floatin' around space.

Vandez wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Unless they used Orbital Bonbaonbardlements to convert the biomass into energy or heat or some other form of less useful matter.

Matter can't be converted to energy. That would be destroying it. It will still be matter if you vaporize it.

Lrn2E=MC^2.

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I'm sorry, I had to.

Fine, let me put it another way. Dropping explosives on matter does not convert it to energy. That converts it to smaller chunks of solid and gas. Both of which are still matter.

Deathbot wrote:Fine, let me put it another way. Dropping explosives on matter does not convert it to energy. That converts it to smaller chunks of solid and gas. Both of which are still matter.

It converts it to energy if you drop enough Fusion/Antimatter Bonbaonbardlements on it.

Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:Fine, let me put it another way. Dropping explosives on matter does not convert it to energy. That converts it to smaller chunks of solid and gas. Both of which are still matter.

It converts it to energy if you drop enough Fusion bombs on it.

I suppose so. But that wouldn't be needed. Simply drop a bioweapon (like a virus bomb) that kills every living thing. Voila, the planet still has all its biomass, and there is no resistance, and thus no chance of loss.

Deathbot wrote:I suppose so. But that wouldn't be needed. Simply drop a bioweapon (like a virus bomb) that kills every living thing. Voila, the planet still has all its biomass, and there is no resistance, and thus no chance of loss.

And what happens when, say, people use underground shelters, or filtration apparatus? You haven't realised yet that the Gaunts and Carnifexes etc ARE the virus Bomb. Also, DNA degrades VERY quickly after the death of the host due to decomposition, which is why the Rippers eat everything because they can preserve the DNA.

" Why do Tyranids launch ground attacks? "

To paraphrase a popular bank robber:
"Because that is where the NOMS are!"

Deathbot wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:Fine, let me put it another way. Dropping explosives on matter does not convert it to energy. That converts it to smaller chunks of solid and gas. Both of which are still matter.

It converts it to energy if you drop enough Fusion bombs on it.

I suppose so. But that wouldn't be needed. Simply drop a bioweapon (like a virus bomb) that kills every living thing. Voila, the planet still has all its biomass, and there is no resistance, and thus no chance of loss.

Tyranids aren't daunted by losses. When they kill everything on the planet they just re-harvest the bodies so they can make more.

Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:I suppose so. But that wouldn't be needed. Simply drop a bioweapon (like a virus bomb) that kills every living thing. Voila, the planet still has all its biomass, and there is no resistance, and thus no chance of loss.

And what happens when, say, people use underground shelters, or filtration apparatus? You haven't realised yet that the Gaunts and Carnifexes etc ARE the virus Bomb. Also, DNA degrades VERY quickly after the death of the host due to decomposition, which is why the Rippers eat everything because they can preserve the DNA.

Gaunts and Carnifexes etc are the virus bomb? Really? Because they look more like giant obvious monsters with claws that can be defeated in open battle as opposed to an invisible, microscopic plague that spreads from person to person, killing them.

Deathbot: They launch ground assaults because the only way you can be certain of a planet is by checking every single room, cave, burrow, stream, hilltop, forest, plain, and behind every single tree with a gaunt.

Why else would there be so many of the buggers?

I mean, what good is it to virus bomb a planet only to realize that it's full of necrons. That'd be pretty funny as the Gauss Flay your rippers down to absolutely nothing (hard to harvest biomass from random atoms not parts of molecules. Gauss must scare nids)


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Or, for that matter, Spess Mahreenz wearing the helmets?

penut the butter wrote:
Tyranids aren't daunted by losses. When they kill everything on the planet they just re-harvest the bodies so they can make more.

And what if they fail to do this? What if, say, the Imperial/Tau/Chaos/Necron/Ork force occupying the planet defeats their ground troops, and their spaceships in orbit have no available biomass to make more? Or they are driven off/destroyed by an Imperial/Tau/Chaos/Necron fleet?

They try again?

40k is a struggle in a galaxy. Tyranids have eated dozens of galaxies already. Lack of numbers is not a problem.

Sure, there may be a delay between waves, but the same can be said of the ocean.

Deathbot wrote:Gaunts and Carnifexes etc are the virus bomb? Really? Because they look more like giant obvious monsters with claws that can be defeated in open battle as opposed to an invisible, microscopic plague that spreads from person to person, killing them.

You did read earlier in the thread where we pointed out they do that too?

kirsanth wrote:They try again?

40k is a struggle in a galaxy. Tyranids have eated dozens of galaxies already. Lack of numbers is not a problem.

Sure, there may be a delay between waves, but the same can be said of the ocean.

Where does it say that they have eaten dozens of galaxies? For all we know, they might just have eaten one. Not to mention the problem of a potential lack of energy due to it leaking out of their vessels in the form of heat during the hundreds/thousands of years they have spent traveling between galaxies. They would have had no source to replenish it. Except for each other.

Deathbot wrote:Where does it say that they have eaten dozens of galaxies? For all we know, they might just have eaten one. Not to mention the problem of a potential lack of energy due to it leaking out of their vessels in the form of heat during the hundreds/thousands of years they have spent traveling between galaxies. They would have had no source to replenish it. Except for each other.

Ok, I am seriously getting annoyed now. Why are you asking for 40k Fluff information then telling everyone who replies to STFU?

Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:Gaunts and Carnifexes etc are the virus bomb? Really? Because they look more like giant obvious monsters with claws that can be defeated in open battle as opposed to an invisible, microscopic plague that spreads from person to person, killing them.

You did read earlier in the thread where we pointed out they do that too?

I read it. What I question is the decision to send down ground troops before the plague has a chance to wipe out the local PDF and Imperial Guard.


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Gwar! wrote:

Deathbot wrote:Where does it say that they have eaten dozens of galaxies? For all we know, they might just have eaten one. Not to mention the problem of a potential lack of energy due to it leaking out of their vessels in the form of heat during the hundreds/thousands of years they have spent traveling between galaxies. They would have had no source to replenish it. Except for each other.

Ok, I am seriously getting annoyed now. Why are you asking for 40k Fluff information then telling everyone who replies to STFU?

Alright, I give up. You guys win. Point conceded. Happy now?

Actually, in the vacuum of space heat leaks out very, very slowly. This is because there is no matter for the heat to be transferred to.

The most efficient method of heat transfer is conduction- from one particle to another. Seeing as how the whole idea of space is that it is a vacuum (very, very few particles) it becomes much tougher to lose heat.
This leaves only the option of heat as radiation, which is very minimal.

So nope, no loss of heat in space. However, it's true that intergalactic travel is an interesting topic of discussion, and would probably require some type of fuel for the propulsion of the Hive Fleet.


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Alright, I give up. You guys win. Point conceded. Happy now?

I think that what Gwar! meant was that he wondered why you weren't responding to reasoned arguments from other posters. It seemed like you weren't reading other people's posts when they answered your questions, and instead simply answered 'Virus Bomb them!'. This can be frustrating some times. Perhaps addressing what you read from other posters could avoid any annoyance in the future.

Orkestra wrote:So nope, no loss of heat in space. However, it's true that intergalactic travel is an interesting topic of discussion, and would probably require some type of fuel for the propulsion of the Hive Fleet.

Inertia? For all we know The Nids have been travelling for millions of years and slowly coasting through intergalactic space or slingshotting off random Dark Matter :p

Orkestra wrote:
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Alright, I give up. You guys win. Point conceded. Happy now?

I think that what Gwar! meant was that he wondered why you weren't responding to reasoned arguments from other posters. It seemed like you weren't reading other people's posts when they answered your questions, and instead simply answered 'Virus Bomb them!'. This can be frustrating some times. Perhaps addressing what you read from other posters could avoid any annoyance in the future.

OK, I'll try to keep that in mind. By the way, what does STFU mean?

And when the Nids were traveling between galaxies, what did they eat?

Deathbot wrote:

penut the butter wrote:
Tyranids aren't daunted by losses. When they kill everything on the planet they just re-harvest the bodies so they can make more.

And what if they fail to do this? What if, say, the Imperial/Tau/Chaos/Necron/Ork force occupying the planet defeats their ground troops, and their spaceships in orbit have no available biomass to make more?

Yes but looking at the map posted earlier in this thread they are just the beginning. Every hive fleet would begin with the same aliens but as they split up and attack planets with different enviroments it would start dealing with natural selection which is the struggle to survive. So using this theory it would just be a matter of time before another predator arises to deal with the problem. And a tyranid species doesn't usually become extinct. they reproduce in a factory-like manner so there are always more.

OK, I'll try to keep that in mind. By the way, what does STFU mean?

And when the Nids were traveling between galaxies, what did they eat?

STFU is short for 'shut the feth up'. Or any other word starting with 'f' you can think of.

When Nids are travelling through space there's no real need for them to eat anything.

Remember that their ships are living organisms who have just digested entire planets including all of the tyranid ground forces on the planet. Think of these ships as ridiculously bloated seals. All of that excess energy from digesting everything is stored within the hive ship until the next time it's needed. Since it's so easy to convert things between biomass and energy, the ship can, in effect, eat itself until a new source of food comes along.

Gaunts, carnifex, rippers, etc. don't need to eat, because they were digested after they finished owning the last planet.

Deathbot wrote:

Orkestra wrote:
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Alright, I give up. You guys win. Point conceded. Happy now?

I think that what Gwar! meant was that he wondered why you weren't responding to reasoned arguments from other posters. It seemed like you weren't reading other people's posts when they answered your questions, and instead simply answered 'Virus Bomb them!'. This can be frustrating some times. Perhaps addressing what you read from other posters could avoid any annoyance in the future.

And when the Nids were traveling between galaxies, what did they eat?

It says on lexicanum that they put the creatures in a torpor which is a state of hibernation. And the Norm Queens have the DNA to create more if they die. They also have non-agressive creatures that are designed to feed the creatures.

Quit it you guys...

All this talk of eating is making me hungry.....

Great...

Now i've got to find a planet-sandwich.....

Anyone got any ideas as to where one could acquire a planet-sandwich?