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metallifan wrote:Yep. MechCav or AirCav are your friends with IG. Make sure you stock up on either Tanks, or Valks and Vends. Should have enough for the vast majority of your army to ride in.

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:I ordered the bitz for Croft as soon as i found them, and the codex was ordered a week or so back, (If memory serves) The rest will have to wait until the codexs arrives and i have an idea about what i want (and can legally have.) first.

Some advice:

Tanks. Lots of tanks. You can never have too many.

I think tanks are the way to go, both for practicality and the army's theme. I.E an immobilized result will not result in a squad of guardsman hitting the ground at mach 4, and as most tombs are underground, having aircraft zooming about seems a bit silly.

I might have at lest one though, because the model is awesome.

Lord Harrab wrote:

metallifan wrote:Yep. MechCav or AirCav are your friends with IG. Make sure you stock up on either Tanks, or Valks and Vends. Should have enough for the vast majority of your army to ride in.

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:I ordered the bitz for Croft as soon as i found them, and the codex was ordered a week or so back, (If memory serves) The rest will have to wait until the codexs arrives and i have an idea about what i want (and can legally have.) first.

Some advice:

Tanks. Lots of tanks. You can never have too many.

I think tanks are the way to go, both for practicality and the army's theme. I.E an immobilized result will not result in a squad of guardsman hitting the ground at mach 4, and as most tombs are underground, having aircraft zooming about seems a bit silly.

I might have at lest one though, because the model is awesome.

And expensive. Don't forget expensive.

Although that does bring up something I thought of. If any side in 40k ever tried to use planes comparable to modern day US Army ones, they could probably wipe out the opposing force with no trouble whatsoever. All the armies seem to just stand out in the open and shoot at/run screaming at each other. Or they could do it GRIMDARK style and just carpet bomb everything instead of using precision bombs. Either way, using air support like most modern armies do nowadays would be a huge advantage.

Or they could just be efficient and orbitally bonbaonbardle the piss out of the enemy and just shrug at the loss of a few thousand Guardsmen

I seem to remember a spin off game a long time ago that was Imperial Navy fighters vs Ork Fighta-bommas in a squadron-on-squadron airbattle. Did it actualy exisit, or did i dream it?

Back on topic, i suppose a pair of Valkyries with missile pods could re-create a strafing run, sort of clearing the DZ for Her ladyship and her men to deploy.

Lord Harrab wrote:I seem to remember a spin of game a long time ago that was Imperial Navy fighters vs Ork Fighta-bommas in a squadron-on-squadron airbattle. Did it actualy exisit, or did i dream it?

It's a game called "Aeronautica Imperialis". It's officially done at the 40K scale. It's fun, but it's expensive as all Feth on account of most of the aircraft only being available through Forgeworld.

Lord Harrab wrote:I seem to remember a spin off game a long time ago that was Imperial Navy fighters vs Ork Fighta-bommas in a squadron-on-squadron airbattle. Did it actualy exisit, or did i dream it?

Back on topic, i suppose a pair of Valkyries with missile pods could re-create a strafing run, sort of clearing the DZ for Her ladyship and her men to deploy.

I still suggest an armored force. I may have only played one game so far, but I've spent lots of time watching other people play, and I've seen that the IG do best with and armored thrust.

metallifan wrote:Or they could just be efficient and orbitally bonbaonbardle the piss out of the enemy and just shrug at the loss of a few thousand Guardsmen

Unless they actually want to capture the area, which I would imagine they would.

They'd still capture it, it would just be a smouldering PoS Besides, after months of sustained Trench Warfare, which seems to be a Guard favorite, I doubt the battle would make it much better in the end.

And yea the one thing about Armoured is, you get more bang for your buck. Definately better if you're planning on Mechanizing a whole force to go with ArmMech. Having a couple air units for support wouldn't hurt (And I imagine they'd catch some conflict with Necrons on the surface, so some AirCav helps) but for general A->B, you'll want a good supply of Chimeras with Russ support

metallifan wrote:They'd still capture it, it would just be a smouldering PoS Besides, after months of sustained Trench Warfare, which seems to be a Guard favorite, I doubt the battle would make it much better in the end.

And yea the one thing about Armoured is, you get more bang for your buck. Definately better if you're planning on Mechanizing a whole force to go with ArmMech. Having a couple air units for support wouldn't hurt (And I imagine they'd catch some conflict with Necrons on the surface, so some AirCav helps) but for general A->B, you'll want a good supply of Chimeras with Russ support

Indeed, as a former Iron Warriors command of considerable experience, i know the terror a well timed armored attack can cause, and IG can take more tanks.

Lord Harrab wrote:

metallifan wrote:They'd still capture it, it would just be a smouldering PoS Besides, after months of sustained Trench Warfare, which seems to be a Guard favorite, I doubt the battle would make it much better in the end.

And yea the one thing about Armoured is, you get more bang for your buck. Definately better if you're planning on Mechanizing a whole force to go with ArmMech. Having a couple air units for support wouldn't hurt (And I imagine they'd catch some conflict with Necrons on the surface, so some AirCav helps) but for general A->B, you'll want a good supply of Chimeras with Russ support

Indeed, as a former Iron Warriors command of considerable experience, i know the terror a well timed armored attack can cause, and IG can take more tanks.

Any other armies you have commanded? Also, what made you decide to switch to IG?

And yes, I have watched many a game won by a well-timed armored thrust at the enemy's heart. OK, about a dozen. I am lucky enough to live near an active gaming shop with tons of interested players. I hope to play them when I get my army painted. All there's that I have seen are completely painted and I am too shy to embarrass myself by being the only one with an unpainted army.

Just Iron Warriors, i had nearly 3000 pts of them, but when i moved away from my regular gaming group i sold them all.

The reason i didn't bother to pick them back up again now my interest has been rekindled is that now the've lost everything that made me field them in the first place. Besides, a change is good. And IG can have more dakka now.

Lord Harrab wrote:The reason i didn't bother to pick them back up again now my interest has been rekindled is that now the've lost everything that made me field them in the first place.

And that was...?

Lord Harrab wrote:Besides, a change is good. And IG can have more dakka now.

You said it wrong. It's "MORE DAKKA!!!".

Personally, though, I just like the thought of heavily armored psychos charging screaming across the battlefield waving chain-axes/swords to just be too awesome to pass up. The same goes for huge swarms of galaxy eating insects that will eat your face off. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! NOM NOM NOM!!!

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:The reason i didn't bother to pick them back up again now my interest has been rekindled is that now the've lost everything that made me field them in the first place.

And that was...?

Lord Harrab wrote:Besides, a change is good. And IG can have more dakka now.

You said it wrong. It's "MORE DAKKA!!!".

Personally, though, I just like the thought of heavily armored psychos charging screaming across the battlefield waving chain-axes/swords to just be too awesome to pass up. The same goes for huge swarms of galaxy eating insects that will eat your face off. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! NOM NOM NOM!!!

Sorry, i should have explained better:

No Basalisks!
No Lopsided FOC allowing MORE DAKKA! less Fast Attack
They were the only Space marines allowed to put spikes and demonic stuff on a vindicator, (Nothing pisses of an opponent more than trying to get rid of a regenerating, mutated hull, demonically possessed vindicator in cover. even more so if there's a Havoc squad nearby who's champion has a servo arm.)
Their ability to, for no cost, count as fearless while in fortifications if they are the "defender" in that mission


As for Khorne Bezerkers, i could see their attraction after a particularly memorable game were Karn (fielded by my friend in a 2v2, Imperials vs chaos battle. us vs them) wiped out a terminator squad and took my Daemon Price/Warsmith's last wound all in the same turn.

Lord Harrab wrote:As for Khorne Bezerkers, i could see their attraction after a particularly memorable game were Karn (fielded by my friend in a 2v2, Imperials vs chaos battle. us vs them) wiped out a terminator squad and took my Daemon Price/Warsmith's last wound all in the same turn.

Yeah, I know. Kharn is awesome. He basically single-handedly won me my first (and so far only) game, against Orks. He hacked his way through the Nobz and then killed the Warboss, all on turn 2 (it was a small table). After that, it was just a matter of sending the Berserkers top mop up the rest of the boyz, as I'd destroyed his primary attack force.

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:As for Khorne Bezerkers, i could see their attraction after a particularly memorable game were Karn (fielded by my friend in a 2v2, Imperials vs chaos battle. us vs them) wiped out a terminator squad and took my Daemon Price/Warsmith's last wound all in the same turn.

Yeah, I know. Kharn is awesome. He basically single-handedly won me my first (and so far only) game, against Orks. He hacked his way through the Nobz and then killed the Warboss, all on turn 2 (it was a small table). After that, it was just a matter of sending the Berserkers top mop up the rest of the boyz, as I'd destroyed his primary attack force.

You out orked the Orks? Nifty.

That game must have been short, the only movement would be straight across the table towards the foe, the shooting wouldn't have amounted to much, (orks miss a lot, Beserkers don't give a frack.) then fisty-cuffs.

I liked my vindicator, it was so tough i could reliably count on owning that table quarter, most of my friends knew that anything that got within 24" would die in an amusing fashion. (Not that staying away helped, vindicator + Basilisk team up FTW!)

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:As for Khorne Bezerkers, i could see their attraction after a particularly memorable game were Karn (fielded by my friend in a 2v2, Imperials vs chaos battle. us vs them) wiped out a terminator squad and took my Daemon Price/Warsmith's last wound all in the same turn.

Yeah, I know. Kharn is awesome. He basically single-handedly won me my first (and so far only) game, against Orks. He hacked his way through the Nobz and then killed the Warboss, all on turn 2 (it was a small table). After that, it was just a matter of sending the Berserkers top mop up the rest of the boyz, as I'd destroyed his primary attack force.

You out orked the Orks? Nifty.

That game must have been short, the only movement would be straight across the table towards the foe, the shooting wouldn't have amounted to much, (orks miss a lot, Beserkers don't give a frack.) then fisty-cuffs.

I liked my vindicator, it was so tough i could reliably count on owning that table quarter, most of my friends knew that anything that got within 24" would die in an amusing fashion. (Not that staying away helped, vindicator + Basilisk team up FTW!)

Yep, it was. Neither side really shot anything, and Kharn managed to reach the Orks first, but the others weren't far behind. The Berserkers + Kharn didn't have any trouble cutting them to ribbons in close combat. It was funny.

Do you plan to equip your new IG army with a Basilisk?

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:As for Khorne Bezerkers, i could see their attraction after a particularly memorable game were Karn (fielded by my friend in a 2v2, Imperials vs chaos battle. us vs them) wiped out a terminator squad and took my Daemon Price/Warsmith's last wound all in the same turn.

Yeah, I know. Kharn is awesome. He basically single-handedly won me my first (and so far only) game, against Orks. He hacked his way through the Nobz and then killed the Warboss, all on turn 2 (it was a small table). After that, it was just a matter of sending the Berserkers top mop up the rest of the boyz, as I'd destroyed his primary attack force.

You out orked the Orks? Nifty.

That game must have been short, the only movement would be straight across the table towards the foe, the shooting wouldn't have amounted to much, (orks miss a lot, Beserkers don't give a frack.) then fisty-cuffs.

I liked my vindicator, it was so tough i could reliably count on owning that table quarter, most of my friends knew that anything that got within 24" would die in an amusing fashion. (Not that staying away helped, vindicator + Basilisk team up FTW!)

Yep, it was. Neither side really shot anything, and Kharn managed to reach the Orks first, but the others weren't far behind. The Berserkers + Kharn didn't have any trouble cutting them to ribbons in close combat. It was funny.

Do you plan to equip your new IG army with a Basilisk?

I'm going to steer this puppy back on topic and answer your question at the same time.

Yes. Even with it's limited effectivness inside a Tomb, it could be used as an assualt gun once it had been used to breach the walls. ('cos Doors are for losers. )

What if the tomb is located miles below the surface, as many are? Also, what does our good lady Inquisitor do if she should manage to find some unactivated Nercons sleeping in their tomb? Attempt to destroy them? Attempt to carry some off for study and dissection? Place some charges and run like freth?

Deathbot wrote:What if the tomb is located miles below the surface, as many are?

Guardsmen carry those entrenching shovels for a reason ya know.

Deathbot wrote:Also, what does our good lady Inquisitor do if she should manage to find some unactivated Nercons sleeping in their tomb? Attempt to destroy them? Attempt to carry some off for study and dissection? Place some charges and run like freth?

I Think she'd see what she can learn then and there, (after placing charges of course, as a precaution.) then try and carry some off for study at her leisure. As I've said before, i think she's more of a scholar than a xenophobic zealot.

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:Also, what does our good lady Inquisitor do if she should manage to find some unactivated Nercons sleeping in their tomb? Attempt to destroy them? Attempt to carry some off for study and dissection? Place some charges and run like freth?

I Think she'd see what she can learn then and there, (after placing charges of course, as a precaution.) then try and carry some off for study at her leisure. As I've said before, i think she's more of a scholar than a xenophobic zealot.

She's not exactly Heretical, more like Puritan going on Radical. *Commence shameless attempt to justify heresy*

After all, her intentions are to destroy the Necrons, and there's that saying; "Know thy Enemy".

Lady Croft is loyal to the Imperial Creed, and doesn't use the tech she finds, (Mostly, although that could be because the damn things are still in the hands of their owners and keep phasing out on her.)

Besides, there's an entire temple of Assassins with Necron tech, I don't see why an Inquisitor can't use any.

Lord Harrab wrote:She's not exactly Heretical, more like Puritan going on Radical. *Commence shameless attempt to justify heresy*

After all, her intentions are to destroy the Necrons, and there's that saying; "Know thy Enemy".

Lady Croft is loyal to the Imperial Creed, and doesn't use the tech she finds, (Mostly, although that could be because the damn things are still in the hands of their owners and keep phasing out on her.)

Besides, there's an entire temple of Assassins with Necron tech, I don't see why an Inquisitor can't use any.

"There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!"
— Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:The reason i didn't bother to pick them back up again now my interest has been rekindled is that now the've lost everything that made me field them in the first place.

And that was...?

Lord Harrab wrote:Besides, a change is good. And IG can have more dakka now.

You said it wrong. It's "MORE DAKKA!!!".

You mean, ALL YOUR DAKKA ARE BELONG TO US!

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:She's not exactly Heretical, more like Puritan going on Radical. *Commence shameless attempt to justify heresy*

After all, her intentions are to destroy the Necrons, and there's that saying; "Know thy Enemy".

Lady Croft is loyal to the Imperial Creed, and doesn't use the tech she finds, (Mostly, although that could be because the damn things are still in the hands of their owners and keep phasing out on her.)

Besides, there's an entire temple of Assassins with Necron tech, I don't see why an Inquisitor can't use any.

"There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!"
— Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov

*Is Blammed*

Just letting you guys know that I'm working on the life of Lady Croft up until the formation of her regiment, it's going quite well i think.

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:She's not exactly Heretical, more like Puritan going on Radical. *Commence shameless attempt to justify heresy*

After all, her intentions are to destroy the Necrons, and there's that saying; "Know thy Enemy".

Lady Croft is loyal to the Imperial Creed, and doesn't use the tech she finds, (Mostly, although that could be because the damn things are still in the hands of their owners and keep phasing out on her.)

Besides, there's an entire temple of Assassins with Necron tech, I don't see why an Inquisitor can't use any.

"There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty!"
— Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov

*Is Blammed*

Just letting you guys know that I'm working on the life of Lady Croft up until the formation of her regiment, it's going quite well i think.

Excellent. I hope to hear more.

Codex arrived today, and I've worked out a "Fluffy" army list and much to my annoyance, i can only field three vehicles in a 1500pt list (A Valkyrie, a Basilisk and a chimera.) Man, veterans get expensive...

Edit: Forgot to add in the points limit.

Lord Harrab wrote:Codex arrived today, and I've worked out a "Fluffy" army list and much to my annoyance, i can only field three vehicles in a 1500pt list (A Valkyrie, a Basilisk and a chimera.) Man, veterans get expensive...

Edit: Forgot to add in the points limit.

An IG army without many vehicles? Man, unless you're a REALLY good tactician, you're going to get slaughtered. The IG can't footslog for crap. I'd think about dumping some veterans and adding a Leman Russ or two...

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:Codex arrived today, and I've worked out a "Fluffy" army list and much to my annoyance, i can only field three vehicles in a 1500pt list (A Valkyrie, a Basilisk and a chimera.) Man, veterans get expensive...

Edit: Forgot to add in the points limit.

An IG army without many vehicles? Man, unless you're a REALLY good tactician, you're going to get slaughtered. The IG can't footslog for crap. I'd think about dumping some veterans and adding a Leman Russ or two...

Indeed.

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:Codex arrived today, and I've worked out a "Fluffy" army list and much to my annoyance, i can only field three vehicles in a 1500pt list (A Valkyrie, a Basilisk and a chimera.) Man, veterans get expensive...

Edit: Forgot to add in the points limit.

An IG army without many vehicles? Man, unless you're a REALLY good tactician, you're going to get slaughtered. The IG can't footslog for crap. I'd think about dumping some veterans and adding a Leman Russ or two...

Indeed.

So do you think that you're up for it? Do you think you can strip your IG of its most powerful asset, its armor, and still win with it? If not, then you may want to take my suggestion. If so, I'd love to know how.

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:

Deathbot wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:Codex arrived today, and I've worked out a "Fluffy" army list and much to my annoyance, i can only field three vehicles in a 1500pt list (A Valkyrie, a Basilisk and a chimera.) Man, veterans get expensive...

Edit: Forgot to add in the points limit.

An IG army without many vehicles? Man, unless you're a REALLY good tactician, you're going to get slaughtered. The IG can't footslog for crap. I'd think about dumping some veterans and adding a Leman Russ or two...

Indeed.

So do you think that you're up for it? Do you think you can strip your IG of its most powerful asset, its armor, and still win with it? If not, then you may want to take my suggestion. If so, I'd love to know how.

Sorry, i was agreeing with you, perhaps only one veteran squad and the rest all cannon fodder, that should get me a battle tank at least while still fitting the army theme.

Perhaps i should get rid of my Kell stand in too, he's quite pricey.

Lord Harrab wrote:
Sorry, i was agreeing with you, perhaps only one veteran squad and the rest all cannon fodder, that should get me a battle tank at least while still fitting the army theme.

Perhaps i should get rid of my Kell stand in too, he's quite pricey.

An armored force would actually fit the theme quite nicely. Necrons don't have much in the way of anti-tank (besides Destroyers), so an army dedicated to hunting them down would naturally try to exploit this. Not to mention the soldiers and Inquisitor would probably want to keep as much armor as possible in between themselves and Necron weaponry.