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Buttlerthepug wrote:But thats the thing... It didnt have to be completely spread out. Look at the BT and the Chaos Dragon... both their wings are partially spread. If they would have even just made the very bottom of the wings opened up and had each indivual feather (or at least a majority of them) sprung out like the normal metal GW one. it would have been so much better.

While youre absolutely right, Im sure there would be plenty of people crying "looks too much like the BT, or the current KOS" if they wouldve been similar.
Like I said, I also believe that the wings are the biggest weak spot on this model, it couldve been worse though.

I guess if you really want to, you could try to find some wings from a toy pegasus or something.

I'd like to see it with a better paint job on the wings. Either the photography isn't doing it justice, or they have been done too subtly.

Perhaps more colours in the feathers would help. Get it right, and they will look more cloak than wings which would help.

I don't know what people are moaning about. The wings have been sculpted fantastically, there's so much detail that it looks like they are real. I think the problem is that the paintjob is too subtle, and the fact that the wings are less eagle-like and more rounded than people are used to. I think it's great.

I have to agree that it is a gorgeous model just those damn wings now that i see it I cannot unsee it.

Whats it looking at, and why's it screeching when casting a spell, just odd pose all round for me. Plus with all the energy going through its diaphram for the screech you'd think the wings would be doing something rather than just hanging there.

Nope, worst of the bunch I'd say, also way to big, yes its 999pts, but why does that need to equate 'huge.' Surely the 999pts comes from its tricky abilities and the insane magical prowess it would bring to the table?

Just strange.

Sarcasm mode engaged. "Wah, I hate the new model, wah, it isn't exactly how I would do it if I were sculptor, wah, wah, wah."

Why does every thread with a picture of a new model have to go that direction? What is the point of excitedly posting pictures of new models just to hear a thousand strangers complain about them?

Sarcasm mode disengaged, rolls eyes, sighs, takes deep breath, moves on to a more productive topic thread.

To be fair, even sculpting mini's is an artform, and like all art, success and failure are subjective.

At least people are willing to try and put their finger on what it is.

(though to say that Vroc is a better model is...well..a stretch)

BrassScorpion wrote:Sarcasm mode engaged. "Wah, I hate the new model, wah, it isn't exactly how I would do it if I were sculptor, wah, wah, wah."

Why does every thread with a picture of a new model have to go that direction? What is the point of excitedly posting pictures of new models just to hear a thousand strangers complain about them?

Sarcasm mode disengaged, rolls eyes, sighs, takes deep breath, moves on to a more productive topic thread.

Ah get off the high horse, just because folks dare to voice their opinions in the negative doesn't make them less important than the positive or makes them anti GW. In fact looking at the responses its seems a fair few like it and fair few dislike it, opinions are opinions, no need to try and have a go at folks for .. *gasp* having an opinion.

BrassScorpion wrote:Sarcasm mode engaged. "Wah, I hate the new model, wah, it isn't exactly how I would do it if I were sculptor, wah, wah, wah."

Why does every thread with a picture of a new model have to go that direction? What is the point of excitedly posting pictures of new models just to hear a thousand strangers complain about them?

Sarcasm mode disengaged, rolls eyes, sighs, takes deep breath, moves on to a more productive topic thread.

I disagree that every thread with model pics heads in the direction of "could be better"

Please do look through news and rumours for the new Avatars of War miniotaurs and look at those comments
Many models are awsome and completely fine, lately theres been some that could use alot of work and that includes this model... its a matter of peoples opinion and their entitled to it when critisizing a model.

BrassScorpion wrote:Sarcasm mode engaged. "Wah, I hate the new model, wah, it isn't exactly how I would do it if I were sculptor, wah, wah, wah."

It's badly-posed, too large, with boring wings.

If only one person said this, you could dismiss it, but the majority of people draw this same conclusion, so it's probably true.

What's next, you going to defend Lemartes? Or Gary Morley's Grotesques? Or Nagash? Sometimes GW releases a stinker, and this is one of those times, so no shame in calling a spade a spade.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Ah get off the high horse, just because folks dare to voice their opinions in the negative doesn't make them less important than the positive or makes them anti GW. In fact looking at the responses its seems a fair few like it and fair few dislike it, opinions are opinions, no need to try and have a go at folks for .. *gasp* having an opinion.

Even though I'm going against the grain by admitting that I like the sculpt, I have to agree. Considering that Forge World is asking for a lot of money for every sculpt they do, and this is one of the more expensive ones bar titans, I think everyone has a right to voice their opinion on it.

Personally I don't think the pose is any more "boring" than the other greater demons of FW. Like I pointed out before, would you say this one is any more "boring" than the bloated guy sitting on his ass? Or the Slaanesh demon who's just kinda raising her arm and not doing much else? Or the amazing bloodthirster model that's...also raising its arm, but has a really mean look on his face like "Graar!" while he does it, so it's an "action pose"? I'll concede on the wings, I personally would have loved to see them outstretched like every single other winged model they've ever produced, it would have looked so much better...but the model still looks good in my opinion.

I mean really, comparing this model to the likes of Lemartes, Nagash, or most appalling of all, Gary Morley DE sculpts? Really? Did you just go there?

If only one person said this, you could dismiss it,

I have never seen a thread on any forum for any model no matter what it looked like that didn't have significant amounts of nay saying posts. I have never seen a topic thread on a new model that only had one person saying they didn't like it no matter how "good" or "bad" the model. That's likely never happened and it's never going to happen.

That's not to say that some models aren't bad, I'm simply stating that good or bad there will be massive amounts of complaining about any model and that for some people on forums it's not fun or interesting to see that in virtually every new model topic thread. It's neither "news" nor "rumor".

BrassScorpion wrote:

If only one person said this, you could dismiss it,

I have never seen a thread on any forum for any model no matter what it looked like that didn't have significant amounts of nay saying posts. I have never seen a topic thread on a new model that only had one person saying they didn't like it no matter how "good" or "bad" the model. That's likely never happened and it's never going to happen.

That's not to say that some models aren't bad, I'm simply stating that good or bad there will be massive amounts of complaining about any model and that for some people on forums it's not fun or interesting to see that in virtually every new model topic thread. It's neither "news" nor "rumor".

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266417.page

I dont see a single complaint on either of those models in there

I dont see a single complaint on either of those models in there

I generally only look at the GW model topics, so I missed that. So I see another trend here, which is that GW's models receive a lot more derision than those by other companies. Now the question is, is that because of the quality of GW's models or the nature of GW's fans? Perhaps more of GW's fans have unrealistic expectations than some of the other model makers?

Ultraforges is just so much better... Disappointing :(.

It could also be the same case as you? Maybe the people that post badly on *good* models (and if thats their opinion... then so be it. They are entitled to it) only tend to look at GW model topics. Honestly most models are going to get critisism because some people are more exact about how they like models, some are not. Its their opinion. Some companies such as AoW make amazing models, but you also dont see full armies comming out every few months. Thats the difference.

When certain things GW/FW do take forever, the LoC for instance, you expect something amazing... you dont expect half @$$ wings that look like clay ovals...

Another point being that GW/FW charge alot more... again, you could expect better wings when paying close to if not over $300 (I dont remember exact cost).

Its a matter of opinion and people are entitled to it.

BrassScorpion wrote:Perhaps more of GW's fans have unrealistic expectations than some of the other model makers?

Anything's possible.

But really, I don't think that's the case. Look at the well-deserved drubbing that PP got over their Retribution models, Jacks in particular. Horrible, horrible models.

Kanluwen wrote:...

Wow. New low.

You get this gorgeous model...
And people are focusing on the "wings looking too static" or "too rounded" or the "pose looking awkward"?

These bigger display Daemons aren't meant to be "kung fu pose #5!" or the like.

Boggles the mind.

Yeah, who are these fools to say things like "the model is ugly", or "it looks like it has Lou Gehrig's Disease" when the intent to expel currency is based on the appearance of the model. It simply boggles the mind that an aesthetic judgment might be meaningful at such a point.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I dont see a single complaint on either of those models in there

Perhaps more of GW's fans have unrealistic expectations than some of the other model makers?

Perhaps if GW didn't have unrealistic prices people wouldn't have unrealistic expectations.

@Sid: And that's the same with PP's minis... Ridiculous pricing, and well-deserved criticism when the sculpt doesn't measure up to the price.

dogma wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:...

Wow. New low.

You get this gorgeous model...
And people are focusing on the "wings looking too static" or "too rounded" or the "pose looking awkward"?

These bigger display Daemons aren't meant to be "kung fu pose #5!" or the like.

Boggles the mind.

Yeah, who are these fools to say things like "the model is ugly", or "it looks like it has Lou Gehrig's Disease" when the intent to expel currency is based on the appearance of the model. It simply boggles the mind that an aesthetic judgment might be meaningful at such a point.

See, I have no issue with the people who actually gave real judgment other than picking one tiny detail that can be(arguably) attributed to the flat and drab painting of a ridged surface.

But that's just my opinion.

Flachzange wrote:All in all, I dont think its alright though. Seen worse from GW, thats for damn sure

I agree. Dont get me started on those Possessed Chaos Space Marines that came out when the Medusa campaign started. Talk about just plain horrible.

Bumping due to multiple threads on the topic not seeing this one.

Bumping as im following Frazzled's lead.

Sweet a model even more unplayable than anggrath

Hey!
Could be worse, try fitting a manta on a table without either:

A: Breaking the table and the contents of it.
B: Affording it without the missus killing you.
C: Getting it up and ready to use.
D: carrying it to where the game is held.

JD21290 wrote:C: Getting it up and ready to use.

That's no problem for any Real Man (tm).

But it strikes me that buying a Manta overlaps pretty strongly with the Smiling Bob demographic...

I just think it would be amusing to spend all that time putting the fether together, painting it, and trying to make the flying stand last.
then it goes and falls onto the table, crushing everything

And that comment was quick for you john

As you get older, you'll learn that quickness to finish isn't necessarily a virtue...

I think they got a pill for that, too.