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I don't think you can just widely apply the Castle Doctrine to cases where the burglar is already out of the house and running down the street.

I think the homeowner has a moral right to do whatever is necessary to subdue him (if it seems that the alternative will be a successful escape) but beating him after he's been subdued (and is no longer in your house to boot) is too much.

If he says he'll come back and kill your family, well... all bets are off.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If he says he'll come back and kill your family, well... all bets are off.

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Thats when I would laugh and say " No you won't BAMPH you dead"

Considering that the police hasn't been able to track down the other two burglars in over a year, I think the victims made the right call by taking matters into their own hands....

Empchild wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

Of course that's a load of bs that only applies if you believe in the 'hulk smash' lobe of the brain. Probably a contributor to events like this one though.

Spoken like a true kid. You obviously don't have a family because if you did you could see where this guy is comming from. I have seen "battle frenzy" granted it was in a actual battle overseas the same center of your brain still comes into question. Plan and simple and any real family "MAN" would agree if you feth with my household I will kill you and im not afraid to go to jail. Because no jury in this country would convict someone on the count of 2nd degree murder for that. Namely because it was an invasion into his home, and he could plead insanity. That said the incident was in UK but that was a What If.

Spoken like a true child, posting safety from his parent's home in suburbia where he can safetly pose as an internet bigman and crack law expert as taught by the impeccable legal expertise of Phoenix Wright. It's cute that you equate that the 'manly' thing to do is run out and kill a guy, instead of show any concern for your family, which is what I would be most preoccupied with as soon as I realized I had the guy running. Let the police deal with that douchebag, I have a wife and kids to untie and ungag.

Actually I am posting from a National Gaurd HQ's in Mass. I have been a soldier for 9 years 5 of which was in regualr army infantry. I have been in Iraq, and am heading to afghanistan this year. I have also not lived at home in over ten years, and own my own. My closet family member is about 1000miles away, SO that said you want to try again on that one jack?

See if you had proper gun control you could solve the problem by capping the guy as he was trying to exit, then both problems would be solved.

Of course, I've now been informed the Haggis Hodown could in fact be a fate worse than death. Being that the Scots invented Scotch just to deal with the existence of the thought of the Haggis Hodown kind of tells me thats some serious stuff going down.

Frazzled wrote:See if you had proper gun control you could solve the problem by capping the guy as he was trying to exit, then both problems would be solved.

That reminds me of a mad t.v skit years ago "Don't you give me no sas, i'll bust a cap in yo ass".

Empchild wrote:Actually I am posting from a National Gaurd HQ's in Mass. I have been a soldier for 9 years 5 of which was in regualr army infantry. I have been in Iraq, and am heading to afghanistan this year. I have also not lived at home in over ten years, and own my own. My closet family member is about 1000miles away, SO that said you want to try again on that one jack?

Spoken like a true child, who at his own declaration doesn't have a family at home, posting safety from his National Guard, where he can safetly pose as an internet bigman and crack law expert as taught by the impeccable legal expertise of Phoenix Wright.It's cute that you equate that the 'manly' thing to do is run out and kill a guy, instead of show any concern for your family, which is what I would be most preoccupied with as soon as I realized I had the guy running. Let the police deal with that douchebag, I have a wife and kids to untie and ungag.

If you don't want to be a punchline, don't set yourself up as a joke.

If we could tone it down a bit please gents, you don't have to agree but be polite please.

ta.

I haven't brook, but maybe a mod will see you are trying to go more for personal attacks then even staying anywhere on subject.

I'm here. The dude got what he deserved.

Although, I wouldn't have used a bat on him. He would have made it about 5 feet and suffered from an instant and very deadly dose of lead poisoning. .45ca lead poisoning to be exact.

Bats are for softies opposed to guns. If you are going to beat someone with a bat use an aluminum one. You could cave in 1000's of skulls and it'd still be good for 1,001.

Skulls for the Skull throne.

Fateweaver wrote:I'm here. The dude got what he deserved.

Although, I wouldn't have used a bat on him. He would have made it about 5 feet and suffered from an instant and very deadly dose of lead poisoning. .45ca lead poisoning to be exact.

Bats are for softies opposed to guns. If you are going to beat someone with a bat use an aluminum one. You could cave in 1000's of skulls and it'd still be good for 1,001.

Skulls for the Skull throne.

I concur seeing as easy target practice.

Frazzled wrote: killer attack wiener dogs

There is something strange and yet interesting going on at Frazz's house.

GG

My home isnt my castle.... its my frigging Armoury! And the use of deadly force is ALWAYS authorized for anyone dumb enough to try to pull this gak on me or my family.

Homeboy and his friends would have never made it back out the front door. I would have gone Jed Clampet on his ass.....

generalgrog wrote:

Frazzled wrote: killer attack wiener dogs

There is something strange and yet interesting going on at Frazz's house.

GG

Frazz are we going to see you on the news with the ASPCA carry out animals from your home? Also I personally feel we should be tougher on crime in america. I talked with some co workers( not the ones down the hall in the dpt of corrections though) and feel things like Murder.. Prime example. Instead of spending all this money on 30 years of trials and such and incarceration what we should do is you get one appeal. After that you are executed the following week on pay-per-view. the murderer in question is strung up and the families of the victims get to come in and slice him with razor blades. The main artories must be outlined though so as not to hit the,. Finally the executioner finishes the job. I think this would stop a hell of a lot of crime, and yes I know it's immoral but we live in dangerous times.

Empchild wrote:I haven't Book, but maybe a mod will see you are trying to go more for personal attacks then even staying anywhere on subject.

Bookwrack wrote:It's cute that you equate that the 'manly' thing to do is run out and kill a guy, instead of show any concern for your family, which is what I would be most preoccupied with as soon as I realized I had the guy running. Let the police deal with that douchebag, I have a wife and kids to untie and ungag.

So concern for family first, not for real men? Do you have to chase a guy down and kill him to keep your man cred, or is going, 'hulk smash!' and caving his skull in really more important than anything else in that scenario? Law generally presumes some level of proportional response being justified, so what is the proportional cause for having your buddies hold a guy down while you smash his head in?

Fateweaver wrote:Bats are for softies opposed to guns. If you are going to beat someone with a bat use an aluminum one. You could cave in 1000's of skulls and it'd still be good for 1,001.

The sound of aluminum isn't good, and it transmits shock back into your hands.

OTOH, Cold Steel makes a nice, unbreakable poly bat

Pretty nice, given that it's the same material as Cold Steel Filipino Escrima stick




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Empchild wrote: After that you are executed the following week on pay-per-view. the murderer in question is strung up and the families of the victims get to come in and slice him with razor blades. The main artories must be outlined though so as not to hit the,. Finally the executioner finishes the job.

Pfft, weaksauce.

If we're going that route, go medieval on his ass .

Trust me, back in the good old days, they had interesting "punishment" down to a science.

How bout a foam Nerf bat?

I don't think you could break it and I'm sure your arms would be tired but imagine the chaffing and the peeling of skin that would occur from the rough foam sliding along skin for hours at a time.

The perp would most likely be pleading to die.

At that rate, all I need is a #10 envelope to give him the paper cut of his life.

generalgrog wrote:

Frazzled wrote: killer attack wiener dogs

There is something strange and yet interesting going on at Frazz's house.

GG

You don't feth with the killer attack wienies! Cower in terror!

Bookwrack wrote:
So concern for family first, not for real men? Do you have to chase a guy down and kill him to keep your man cred, or is going, 'hulk smash!' and caving his skull in really more important than anything else in that scenario? Law generally presumes some level of proportional response being justified, so what is the proportional cause for having your buddies hold a guy down while you smash his head in?

Honestly if you read my earlier posts it comes down to blood rage, battle frenzy whatever you want to call it. I can not explain it to you in any way for you to understand or anyone for that matter unless you have been through it. I have and looking back your like "woah wth happened". You can put it down make any sort of statement of immorality or evil of the action done(believe I have been spit on, had rocks chucked at me, and worse all for wearing a uniform so you won't hurt my feelings), but the fact is I understand why the guy did it, and the christian in me is saddend by the loss of a human life, but the man in me knows what he went through so I am not going to down play what the guy did.

..Oh, FFS..

Thread closed until various knuckles are wrapped...

Bookwrack wrote:

Empchild wrote:I haven't Book, but maybe a mod will see you are trying to go more for personal attacks then even staying anywhere on subject.

Bookwrack wrote:It's cute that you equate that the 'manly' thing to do is run out and kill a guy, instead of show any concern for your family, which is what I would be most preoccupied with as soon as I realized I had the guy running. Let the police deal with that douchebag, I have a wife and kids to untie and ungag.

So concern for family first, not for real men? Do you have to chase a guy down and kill him to keep your man cred, or is going, 'hulk smash!' and caving his skull in really more important than anything else in that scenario? Law generally presumes some level of proportional response being justified, so what is the proportional cause for having your buddies hold a guy down while you smash his head in?

A firm slap on thw wrist and a stern "don't do that again!" ?