Freedom of Speech, where do you draw a line?

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**FITZZ**

@ Emperors Faithfaul

That's were alot of the racist boneheads know the law,at least to a degree,they claim not to "advocate violence",and in general stay on the fringe of legality,right on the line but not crossing it openly.

I've lived my whole life in the South,and belive me I despise the Klan (been in a few punch ups with their supporters over my girlfriend),but as much as I hate their views,I hate the idea of living in a country that silences people more.

**BluntmanDC**

Another thing that annoys me about organisations like this is that they love to play the race card when they are themselves racist and religionist (is that the term?), they hate other people and their believes thats why they exist as an organisation, calling others racist devalues the term for when it is actually needed.

people seem to think that the definition of racism = white person hates non white person, while the actual definition is hating someone of a different race due to being of that race.

**George Spiggott**

I think this should go ahead, we let the BNP march, why not this.

I would like to see the Muslim council of Britain (and other moderate Muslims) take a more public and vocal position against this, ideally on TV, it should be part of the dialogue in Eastenders. (popular UK Soap Opera)

Jumble sales in mosques is the answer. Moderate Muslims need to stand up and oppose this and the media need to pick up on it. What's the point of having a government controlled media organisation (BBC) if not to show opposition to this.

**Norwulf**

George Spiggott wrote:I think this should go ahead, we let the BNP march, why not this.

I would like to see the Muslim council of Britain (and other moderate Muslims) take a more public and vocal position against this, ideally on TV, it should be part of the dialogue in Eastenders. (popular UK Soap Opera)

Jumble sales in mosques is the answer. Moderate Muslims need to stand up and oppose this and the media need to pick up on it. What's the point of having a government controlled media organisation (BBC) if not to show opposition to this.

Thats a good idea. All the muslims I know, (like 2) really can't stand all these extremists. It would also help remind people that not every muslim is violent, (IDK about Britain, but in the states I think we need a reminder now and again). Maybe have a counter protest?

**Emperors Faithful**

Is this sorta thing even pluasible in the US of A?

**dogma**

Islamic march, or the denial of an Islamic march?

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:I know. Which is why I said this is where it gets touchy. Simply promoting racism itself and bagging others is fair enough, but I believe that when one demands violent racist acts then it stops there.

Of course, this is no different from the restrictions on promoting, say, vegetarianism.

**Crablezworth**

Let'm march, have enough security to keep things civil. Don't give the extremists any more fuel. If these idiots want to make themselves better known to the british intelligence apparatus then let them.

There's like 1.6 million muslims in the UK, I don't think you've got to be too worried for a while. I don't support any religious nut jobs, but iraq and afghanistan did sweet feth all for western security. Iraq and Afghanistan were about as useful as my rock that keeps terrorists away.

**Relapse**

mattyrm wrote:@ MGS , Pat Condell eh? A youtube favourite of mine.. some of his stuff makes me laugh my ass off.. He is a little odd though it must be said.

@ Shuma, we contribute more than any other ally the US has, and were the only nation to take part in the initial surges into both Afghanistan and Iraq. Also, i know your just kidding around, but i find the whole royal "we" a bit childish. Sure the American military is contributing, but what have you personally done other than pay a little tax? I did 4 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan, and recieved an official commendation and an American flag that was flown in the face of the enemy above Camp Phoenix in Kabul as a thankyou for "services rendered" from the Oklahama National Guard.

How many times did you go hotshot?

Matt,

There are those that talk a good game, then run and hide when the gak hits the fan, do what I did and ignore the guy. Life is a lot simpler not reading what someone who seems to enjoy talking crap has to say.

I have a sister currently in Iraq and her daughter is a field medic currently serving in Afganastan. Lots of fun they're having, yup.
My thanks to you, Matt for the crap you've gone through over there for us. I've got a Helluva respect for you and anyone over there doing what you did.

**ShumaGorath**

There are those that talk a good game, then run and hide when the gak hits the fan, do what I did and ignore the guy. Life is a lot simpler not reading what someone who seems to enjoy talking crap has to say.

You blocked me because I didn't agree when you said "kill all Pedos without trial". There's a pretty substantial difference in these situations, but then you probably can't read this.

**Emperors Faithful**

Just so you know, I find everyones posts to have the same quality of crap. Well, sorta...

**Kilkrazy**

North Crap is Best Crap!

**Sidstyler**

Something I wanted to put out there, that I don't think a lot of people have considered judging from some of the more emotional responses...these people aren't representative of the Muslim community as a whole. I was actually told that the non-radical Muslims, the down-to-earth ones who don't preach hate and violence, have branded all of the donkey-caves out there that are doing just that and tainting their religion as heretics, or "tafikirs".

I'm friends with a Malaysian girl and we have a couple of Malaysian members over on Tau Online, and like I said, they're really not all that bad. It's like claiming that all Christians are like the KKK or the Westboro Church, it's just a minority that give the rest of them a bad name.

**IvanTih**

I draw line when someone speaks public speech which promotes killing,*ape etc....

**Kilkrazy**

Sidstyler wrote:Something I wanted to put out there, that I don't think a lot of people have considered judging from some of the more emotional responses...these people aren't representative of the Muslim community as a whole. I was actually told that the non-radical Muslims, the down-to-earth ones who don't preach hate and violence, have branded all of the donkey-caves out there that are doing just that and tainting their religion as heretics, or "tafikirs".

I'm friends with a Malaysian girl and we have a couple of Malaysian members over on Tau Online, and like I said, they're really not all that bad. It's like claiming that all Christians are like the KKK or the Westboro Church, it's just a minority that give the rest of them a bad name.

Exactly right.

**dogma**

ShumaGorath wrote:
You blocked me because I didn't agree when you said "kill all Pedos without trial". There's a pretty substantial difference in these situations, but then you probably can't read this.

The skin is thin. Sadly.

Pay attention fools.

**BluntmanDC**

Sidstyler wrote:Something I wanted to put out there, that I don't think a lot of people have considered judging from some of the more emotional responses...these people aren't representative of the Muslim community as a whole. I was actually told that the non-radical Muslims, the down-to-earth ones who don't preach hate and violence, have branded all of the donkey-caves out there that are doing just that and tainting their religion as heretics, or "tafikirs".

I'm friends with a Malaysian girl and we have a couple of Malaysian members over on Tau Online, and like I said, they're really not all that bad. It's like claiming that all Christians are like the KKK or the Westboro Church, it's just a minority that give the rest of them a bad name.

what we need is these groups of normal muslims taking a stand and coming out as against the extremists stealing their religion

**Frazzled**

Modquisition on.

This is a reminder, as this can be an emotional topic, to everyone to abide by Dakka Rule #1 to other posters.

**mattyrm**

its pretty civil in here i thought. :-) oh an cheers for that relapse, im more than happy to have a crack with shu though, i think his tongue is firmly in his cheek most the time. :-)

**Frazzled**

Yep, just reminding everyone. Also lets remind everyone that the veiws of posters are the views of posters and not the nations they live in. So lets keep the nation bashing to er, nonexistent please.

**whatwhat**

modquisition? free speech?

**Kanluwen**

Frazzled wrote:Yep, just reminding everyone. Also lets remind everyone that the veiws of posters are the views of posters and not the nations they live in. So lets keep the nation bashing to er, nonexistent please.

Texas is full of crazy old coots who'd shoot you off their yard!
I mean, Texas is a nation right?

But yeah, to get back to seriousness:

This whole situation is ridiculous. It's as bad as the wankjob protesters of Operation: Iraqi Freedom who kept picketing the funerals of servicemen and then trying to file charges against the family members who got mad enough to hit them.

It's creating a dangerous situation, and it's a PR move all in one. Who cares if a few of your followers get the crap beat out of them when you get to make the Other Side look like a bunch of violent neanderthals?

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whatwhat wrote:modquisition? free speech?

Free Speech doesn't apply to private forums, broski.

**whatwhat**

Kanluwen wrote:Free Speech doesn't apply to private forums, broski.

sense of humour doesn't apply to miserable so and so broski

**Empchild**

You are always allowed freedom of speech, such as I am allowed the freedom to punch your face in

I like that belief!

**Kanluwen**

whatwhat wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Free Speech doesn't apply to private forums, broski.

sense of humour doesn't apply to miserable so and so broski

Yeah, well sense of humor generally implies that something was actually funny.

A lolcat image? Not very funny, when coupled with a statement about modquisition and free speech.

**Cane**

Kanluwen wrote:
whatwhat wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Free Speech doesn't apply to private forums, broski.

sense of humour doesn't apply to miserable so and so broski

Yeah, well sense of humor generally implies that something was actually funny.

A lolcat image? Not very funny, when coupled with a statement about modquisition and free speech.

You lost your card for trying to judge other people's humor after posting this "joke":

Texas is full of crazy old coots who'd shoot you off their yard!
I mean, Texas is a nation right?

**Kanluwen**

Hey. It wasn't a lolcat!

That automatically makes me about fifteen levels of funny above him.

**Frazzled**

Texas is full of crazy old coots who'd shoot you off their yard!
I mean, Texas is a nation right?

Thats not a joke, thats a true statement!

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

Frazzled wrote:

Texas is full of crazy old coots who'd shoot you off their yard!
I mean, Texas is a nation right?

Thats not a joke, thats a true statement!

Agreed. I've traveled internationally and when people asked where I was from by default I said I was from Texas. "Texas - it's like a whole other country" was our tourism slogan at one point.

**whatwhat**

Kanluwen wrote:
whatwhat wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Free Speech doesn't apply to private forums, broski.

sense of humour doesn't apply to miserable so and so broski

Yeah, well sense of humor generally implies that something was actually funny.

A lolcat image? Not very funny, when coupled with a statement about modquisition and free speech.

funny? well you ruined any funny when you stamped your miserable serious opinion all over it.

..sometimes i doubt your commitment to the lolcat.