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Thunder Hammers. THey destroy all >_>

Nurglitch wrote:Although the thought of floating a squadron of Land Speeders with Assault Cannons nearby to the Tervigon and cutting loose has occurred to me from a strategic perspective since the Land Speeders would avoid any cover save from intervening Termagants.

Assault cannons arent necessary. Typhoon speeders with h.bolters would be ideally suited. Dual krak missiles from afar (Doesnt remove FNP, But that does require two tervigons to pull off!) with dual frag missiles & h.bolters moving at 12" for afters.

Vendettas will have a nice vantage point, will worry about those rupture cannons but otherwise should stay mobile. It might even see a resurgence of the usefulness of MRP's.

I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Space Marine Librarian. So I will.

Space Marine Librarian (Epistolary) with Might of the Ancients and any other power in Terminator Armor w/ Storm Shield.

180 points.

Use any other tactic to clear a way to the Tervigon, charge him solo using Might of the Ancients (Str 6) to wound on 4+. Use second Psyker power to activate Force Weapon on wound.

Unless I've missed something, you'd be charging with 3 Attacks, hitting on 4+, wounding on 4+. With one wound through that, and a requisite two Psychic tests passed, dead Tervigon.

GeneralRetreat wrote:I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Space Marine Librarian. So I will.

Space Marine Librarian (Epistolary) with Might of the Ancients and any other power in Terminator Armor w/ Storm Shield.

180 points.

Use any other tactic to clear a way to the Tervigon, charge him solo using Might of the Ancients (Str 6) to wound on 4+. Use second Psyker power to activate Force Weapon on wound.

That relies on getting off 2 psychic powers on 3d6.

Yeah... if you want to FW it... just bust out a GKGM.

That's where a Chaos Sorcerer on a Disc of Tzeentch has an advantage over both a Librarian and a Grey Knight: He can cast Warptime while he's cheerfully 13" to 18" away from the Tervigon, and outside the range of the Shadow in the Warp. Activate that, jump over the Termagants and charge with six Warptimed Power Weapon attacks, and get 4+ (re-rolled) Invulnerable save against the impending Perils of the Warp when he uses his Force Weapon to Instant Death the Tervigon. He could even pop it one with a Plasma Pistol before charging, re-rolling any Gets Hot! and hitting at 2+.

Did I miss a memo or something? I know I looked at the gaunt entry and nothing about screamed "My opponent getting these units for free is a problem". They're still Gaunts and the Tervigon should run out after 2 truns producing 2 squads of between 10 and 11. It isn't infinite unit production unless he just doesn't roll doubles all game and the tervigon dying will drop half a squad-ish on average.

Also are we seriously talking about the shortest infantry model in the game next to a grot granting cover to a T6 W6 MC? If your opponent models a tervigon that can get cover from gaunts just bitch-slap him with the rulebook.

As far as anti-tervigon tactics, doesn't seem too complicated if you're marines just throw lysander/calgar/vulakn in a TH/SS squad in an LRC and dive in. The tervigons and gaunts wont even come close to taxing these units abilities to save damage and you certainly aren't FnPing TH wounds. For space wolves it gets even easier as a unit of TWC with 2x SS and a PF will easily walk through this wall. Most armies have a resilient and fighty unit that could go through multiple tervigons and a sea of gaunts with little issue and IG have vendettas that just murder the damn things.

Chaos sorceror seems like the best thing for killing it in one shot from full health.


as a grey knight player i would.

tank shock it with a GK LRC(getting past the gaunts) unload either a master or stern and a terminator squad.

shoot it with a the Hurricane bolters(what is the Tervigons armor?) and assault cannon if possible. shoot it with the terminators(psycannon or incinerator)

assault and use the terminators to soak wounds up and use the master/stern to hit on 3+(WS 5) and wound on 4+ and get instant death off with the force weapons.

the average on 3D6 is 10 so it is likely that a space marine will pass.


AND everyone(except matershake)please its GAUNT not gant

the average on 3D6 is 10 so it is likely that a space marine will pass.

Unless death leaper has lowered your leadership by D3 :p

Grey Templar wrote:

AND everyone(except matershake)please its GAUNT not gant

call me a pedant; but it's actually termigant units that gain benefits from tervigon not hormagaunt units.

so yes, the spelling changed. deal.

Remember, tervigon is synapse, shadow of the warp affects the force weapons. What about multiple assualt, if I assualt the Terv, and one if it's brood, with say asualt marines, or slugga boyz. ect, put all my attacks into the gaunts, the power fist or klaw or whatever into the tervigon, and then take out the tervigons remain wounds with fearless checks after you've wiped the gaunts? If you use the transport to tank shock properly you should be able to group the little buggers where you need them to pull it off. So after all that to paraphrase, multi assualt terv and gaunts, and use fearless saves to finish the terv.

doubled:

I think the problem is that Termagants aren't as squishy as they used to be, and that by exposing a squad to the Counter-Assault enabled Termagants (who may also have Poison and Feel No Pain from the Tervigon, and Preferred Enemy from a nearby Tyrant - or is it Swarmlord?). See here.

Tervigon also has Shadow. Also, because Termagants have I4, if you charge them and they get counter-charge off, they'll still maul you pretty good, reducing the number of fearless wounds... especially if Mama gets to fight back too.

Was looking at witch hunters and remembered something that somebody on Dakka (wish I could remember who) posted for TMCs a long time ago:

WH inquisitor with bolter-crossbow w/ 3 acolytes with bolter-crossbows. Throw in a couple of sages for additional accuracy, and that's 8 shots at 24" that wound on 2+ and no armor save allowed. It's only one shot, but they can all shoot simultaneously from the hatch of a chimera for extra safety.

Also, what's the range on Shadow? 12"? If so, then this anti-council tactic from Stelek will work on psychic TMCs too: WH psykers can stand off outside that range and cast first Purgatus (to lower the the Tervigon/TMC Ld to 7 permanently), then have all your inquisitors start casting Hammer of the Witches (unlimited range) to put perils auto-wounds on all the psychic TMCs on the table, no cover or armor saves allowed, must re-roll invulnerables.

You can't Purgatus any of the Tyranid psykers. Better luck next time.

Oh, right, because they're not ICs. Good point, I missed that.

So you'd have to use psyker battle squads to lower their leadership for Hammer, or a culexus assassin hiding behind something. Or just play the odds, spamming Hammer of the Witches from several inquisitors at once and putting maybe a couple of wounds per game on Ld10 bugs. Because the range is unlimited, you could have a couple of 40 point inquisitors standing off in some corners behind LoS-blocking terrain, cranking out the hammer every shooting phase. Add chiurgeons to prevent them taking perils wounds themselves. A Ld8 inquisitor only scores about .13 wounds per turn on a table with 6 or more Ld10 enemy psykers, but the annoyance factor is pretty fun.

I hate the thought of having to face a local's Guard army, where he takes two Psyker Battle Squads and a Caladus [sp] Assassin. Nothing like having your six wound monster Instant Deathed on a 2+ roll.

Except for watching the PBS blow their own heads up from Shadows.

Shadow in the Warp has a range of 12", and the squad has a range of 36". It's not hard for them to fire it off from outside the effects of Shadow in the Warp.

another thing that SMs could do is have 2 Epistolarys, each with Quickining and any other power. they both cast quickining outside of the range of SITW, fleet and then fleet-assault you with I10 powerweapons and both try and ID the TMC with force weapons

chances are one will get his power off even with a negative modifier to Ld

What have most nid players been running? Because if there is an absense of shadow in the warp then I would suggest a cheap Chaos Sorcerer with Warptime, any mark. The only problem is if there is something with that shadow in the warp power.

it isn't a power per say, but an area of effect that any tyranid beast with a psychic power has that is basically Runes of Warding for Nids

ghastli wrote:What have most nid players been running? Because if there is an absense of shadow in the warp then I would suggest a cheap Chaos Sorcerer with Warptime, any mark. The only problem is if there is something with that shadow in the warp power.

The Tervigon itself has Shadow in the Warp.

Ahh thanks for the heads up.. Ive only played against new nids like twice so I dont have all their rules down yet..

Every creature that has Synapse also has Shadow in the Warp.

Is killing Tervigons that important? Sure they are spawning gak loads of termigaunts but if you have more immediate threats then you had better deal with them first. Termigaunts are basically a really cheap bubble wrap for the new Nidz. Vendettas at best can do three wounds per skimmer per turn. Nidz can bust Vendettas with ease if they move slow enough to fire three shots. I am thinking fight fire with fire.

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I think it kinda is important considering how good those wee little gaunts get when the Tervigon is still around. Tervigons' and Hive Tyrants' combined effects make gaunts pretty ridiculous

Best way to deal with it is to just play Eldar I think and shoot them with 500 S6 guns while you move back wards

Green Blow Fly wrote:Is killing Tervigons that important? Sure they are spawning gak loads of termigaunts but if you have more immediate threats then you had better deal with them first. Termigaunts are basically a really cheap bubble wrap for the new Nidz. Vendettas at best can do three wounds per skimmer per turn. Nidz can bust Vendettas with ease if they move slow enough to fire three shots. I am thinking fight fire with fire.

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I am not quite sure what you are trying to say, but as for me im not particularly scared of tervigons. They are a cool buff unit, but wont kill much on their own.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:Is killing Tervigons that important? Sure they are spawning gak loads of termigaunts but if you have more immediate threats then you had better deal with them first. Termigaunts are basically a really cheap bubble wrap for the new Nidz. Vendettas at best can do three wounds per skimmer per turn. Nidz can bust Vendettas with ease if they move slow enough to fire three shots. I am thinking fight fire with fire.

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I am not quite sure what you are trying to say, but as for me im not particularly scared of tervigons. They are a cool buff unit, but wont kill much on their own.

It's also a 6 wound scoring unit that spawns more scoring units.