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RiTides wrote:I 3> battle foam! Just have to see if I can find the money...

*Tightens the circulation to reveal the vein*

I don't see how I can read into those boxes being anything more then what they are.

Something to carry an army around in. nothing more.


Price doesn't come into play, aside from availability, and size. people get what they can, from a shoebox with some foam, to a plastic toolbox with trays of those little 2X2 square plastic boxes, to a high doller GW high speed tank carrying box with the special IG infantry pack.

Its a carrying box. And considering how much time, effort, and prices. A box is a box is a box.


Unless of course, it is a shrubbery.

A lot of guys in Japan that I have seen use plastic containers with tissue or bits of foam they have around. A lot of their minis seem to be paying the price for a 1/3 cushioned ride.

Making an army case would be a worthwhile　project.

with the effort i put into my minis, I value their protection more than I value buying a second army.

suppose it goes on a number of factors.

Cost
Time
commitment
ducks

Cost being if the player has enough money to spend on proper cases or if they cannot afford ti and continue to build their army, not everyone has the cash for making an army and buying the good cases. So its a trade off situation, more models or get the cases and then go back to the models.

Time is if they have the free time to build their own, or if they are in a higher income and low time period of their life, thus buying some is easier and means more time working on their armies.

commitment means if they are wanting the proper cases for lasting long term, or if their homemade cases are to tie them over thus saving costs (See Cost above) until they have the free cash to splash, if they ever want to on protective carrycases for models

ducks have nothing to do with model carrying, but if you had one which would fetch you drinks and ruffle your hiar and sit on your shoulder... you wouldnt need a carrycase, people would flock to carry your models to be seen with the 'Guy with the kick ass duck on his shoulder'. This ensures money saved, and if you lose in the battle your duck cheering you up, or distracting the enemy.

Even if you did lose you could have it attack thr enemy commander.

I agree with Roleplayer. You make a Homer Simpson case, there's a great chance of your figures being ruined. You go with a GW case, you can run over it with a Hummer and the figures will be fine.

General Hobbs wrote:

I agree with Roleplayer. You make a Homer Simpson case, there's a great chance of your figures being ruined. You go with a GW case, you can run over it with a Hummer and the figures will be fine.

Bah!!.............. Bah!!.... I say!!

Who said anything about a "homer simpson" case and building anything. Walmart plastic tool box and some purchased pluck foam is just as sturdy as any GW case. But then again a GW case is hardly "high end".

GG

I just wish i could find some readily available pluck foam here, right now i just use boxes for my bigger toys :(

Back in 2000 when I was playing with pre-painted clicky based game miniatures, I used the PLANO Tool Box. No foam or gimmicky trays. I threw them in there and separated each faction with ziplock bags. Then, I started re-painting my figures and dipping them. I used the PLANO Tackle Tray Boxes padded with tissue or cotton. These Tray boxes also carried the army I was planning to use at each tournament I attended.

Fast forward 10 years later, I paint all my figures from scratch and taking the time to really bring the details out. I purchase the pricy Battlefoam 1520 but that is because I am trying to protect the time and money I already invested in my figures. The only reason I did not go the Sabol route is becuase I do not like the pluck foam system.

I do not see it as a status symbol but everyone else does because of the price. "You can affort 3 battle boxes for the price of one battlefoam bag..." is the common reaction I get. To avoid being seen as a rich douche, I just tell them that it was a gift.

I will admit that I like seeing people using the higher-end bags, but that's just an indicator to me that they most likely put some time and effort into their army.

The only thing that makes me cringe is miniatures rattling around in a box, getting all nicked up. Other than that, as long as you protect your miniatures, I'm very very happy.

Awww, Lorek, you DO care!

I got a PACK1520 for 224$ total for everything including custom foam and shipping.

I have had enough.
*I did the magnetized base transporting and to this day still magnetize my models bases. It is not a good solution for reliable transport.
*I did the cardboard boxes with eggcrate foam. Works ok, but transporting more than 2000pts of models became a hassle and a pain in the ass.
*I did GW cases as I often acquired them in trades. The minimal number of cases I needed to transport most armies was 3. Also, the foam wouldn't re customize for different cargo so I often needed custom foam inserts.
*Did pick and pluck and custom and a large plastic container. So much wasted space between models and to carry 3-4 GW cases of foam, it costs 5-7$ per 1" tray.

Simply put 224$ I paid for my battlefoam is not drastically more expensive than the other solutions. I priced out an equivalent Home Depot toolbox and 22" of pick and pluck foam and I found it was 80$-120$ for just the foam and 25-30$ for a case. And this would have nowhere close to the capacity of my battlefoam or be as light or as easy to use. And the battlefoam custom trays are amazing and fit my irregular models in a way no other transport has ever done.

It is durable, light and protects my models perfectly and I can fit 6-7 GW cases worth of models into a single bag. I actually sat down and did this and was surprised how much I got in my case.

If this was available 10 years ago, I would have told my younger self to avoid wasting hundreds on cheap alternative solutions and just picked something that works and will last. Has nothing to do with Status.

I am actually going to buy a second PACK1520 soon simply because it can hold so much. I might actually be able to legitimately transport my whole army reasonably opposed to what I want to use that day.

Well some of us used to work for GW when they gave out a saucy Discount.


I got All my cased for $20 each. Beat that

Roleplayer wrote:with the effort i put into my minis, I value their protection more than I value buying a second army.

Since I value the effort I put into painting my armies, and playing a game meant bringing my models on an hour and a half train ride to Osaka, I needed some way to transport them easily. I went the padded toolbox route at first, but it not only was a pain to carry around, it was also insecure enough that stuff chipped or broke in transit. Then I got the Sabol wheeled case. The foam padding kept everything secure, even if I slung it up onto the luggage rack, and being a carry bag made it easy to carry long distances. There's really no way I could've made something of equal utility at a lesser cost.

Khornholio wrote:A lot of guys in Japan that I have seen use plastic containers with tissue or bits of foam they have around.

Ah! recycling is good

Seems pretty cut an dry that some folks pefer the ease and assurance of a ready made case and some prefer to diy.

In general, there seems to be a feeling that DIY's main benefit is only in price. I'm not sure this is always the case (pun intended). I use a letter sized (as opposed to Legal sized) file case/tote. Sure it's innexpensive, but it also has a sturdy handle, is durable, holds stacked plastic thread cases with foam in each compartment, leaves just enough room to slide a codex or two along side the cases, and has nifty compartment on top for storing of small stuff. Additionally, the plastic thread cases offer advantages over foam trays in that they are rigid, and when removed from the cases, they can be stored and stacked separately without worry about getting dusty or damaged.

You could get most of this with a purpose-built case, but I just wanted to point out that there can be advantages to the DIY besides cost.

Just my experience, YMMV.

Eilif wrote:One question though. I would like to buy pluck foam for my vehicle trays. Where can I find it, and what is it called at retailers?

No idea where you find generic foam. The War Store will sell you Sabol trays (all depths) at $7.49.

I just did a Google search like I should have to begin with, and it looks like raw pluck foam isn't much -if any- cheaper than getting it from warstore or other retailers.

This looks good:
http://www.unitedcase-pelican.com/home.php

Ironically, I gave my KR Multicase a once-over yesterday and came to the result that it's in bad enough condition that continuing to use it could be hazardous. The sides are really way too flimsy, and are starting to warp and buckle in odd and unpredictable ways.

generalgrog wrote:

rich1231 wrote: No one should judge you.

This isn't about judging. It's more about educating.

...oh...oh, Jesus! You're absolutely right, I had no idea, I mean...I-I just assumed I had to buy Sabol or Battlefoam cases, I didn't know that there was even a "do-it-yourself" option!

Dear god, what have I done? So much money, and I'll never get it back...thank you! Thank you for opening my eyes, with the money I save from-yeah, feth that, I can't keep that up any longer. Simply put, I don't need you to "educate" me, I'm well aware that making your own case is much cheaper. I just don't give a gak. I would rather pay for the convenience. Is that a problem?

And yeah, this isn't about "judging" huh? What do you call this bs then?

Yeah.. that whole hour or two spent, is going to totally ruin your paint and play. ;-)

Someone answered your question and gave you a perfectly good explanation as to why they would rather buy a case, and you mock them for it. I've got something to say to that, but I think the mods have been keeping a closer eye on me as of late, so I'll just keep that to myself...

LunaHound wrote:It'll never be considered a status symbol for me , never anything gaming related.

Indeed, seems like kind of a silly thing to say. What kind of "status" are we going for here anyway, "King Nerd with Deep Pockets?" Yeah, that'll get you laid.

Well, depends on how deep, I guess.

generalgrog wrote:edit..although now that I think about towels can get expensive too.

Ugh, what a hypocrite! You waste money on towels?! Everyone else runs around outside naked and air dries themselves to save money!

Jeez, look at Mr. Big Money, with his fancy god-damned towels, oooooh!

General Hobbs wrote:
You go with a GW case, you can run over it with a Hummer and the figures will be fine.

...err...I doubt that. I don't even think Battlefoam cases could stand up to being run over by a vehicle.

Unless you've tried this yourself, in which case, pics or it didn't happen.



On a final note:

and has never seen a real live naked woman.

There's absolutely no excuse for that! If you can afford models you can afford a cover charge and at least $20 in ones.

Wow.. way to blow a gasket there Sid.

I mean it's not like you have any emotional investment in this issue right?

I suggest you cut down on the caffeine or whatever it is that makes you overeact on the internet.

GG

And I would suggest that you remember what your own thread is about and avoid judging people based on how much they've invested in army transport. I don't see the point in posting in a thread, or even having a thread at all, if the OP is just going to talk down to or berate people who don't agree with him.

I also think you're blowing things out of proportion, I didn't "blow a gasket". If anything I think I just said what most people were probably thinking.


In any case (pun intended!), I've posted what I think about the matter and I'm going to leave it at that. You can all continue where you left off, as I go off to look for more threads to blow gaskets in!

I didn't "judge" anybody.

Welcome to the ignore list. It's a pretty exclusive club.

GG

Sid always pitches his posts with sarcasm.

Having a all metal army, I needed a foam option and the sabol bag I picked up for 60 bucks WITH THE FOAM was too good of a deal to pass up.

I know some people that will not use something unless GW has blessed it first. Tried to get people to use airbrushes for painting. I heard "There a waste of time." GW relased one and they were the first to buy one, and this is going to be the greatest thing for the hobby. As if GW invented airbrushes.

jbunny wrote:I know some people that will not use something unless GW has blessed it first. Tried to get people to use airbrushes for painting. I heard "There a waste of time." GW relased one and they were the first to buy one, and this is going to be the greatest thing for the hobby. As if GW invented airbrushes.

Amen!

jbunny wrote:I know some people that will not use something unless GW has blessed it first. Tried to get people to use airbrushes for painting. I heard "There a waste of time." GW relased one and they were the first to buy one, and this is going to be the greatest thing for the hobby. As if GW invented airbrushes.

OMG!! OMG!!

jbunny stop judging!!!! Didn't read sids post?

GG

generalgrog wrote:I didn't "judge" anybody.

GG

Some of your posts in this thread did come off as if you had an emotional investment and anyone who didn't 100% agree with your view on figure cases was missing something. Many of your posts were belittling one-liners which could be taken the way Sid pointed out and yes, he did say what people were thinking.

People who use high-end cases do not need to be 'educated' especially by you. I have over 10 years of experience transporting my models using many different solutions and the value and costs of them and know what works and what doesn't. And often the perceived upfront costs of cheap transport and "buy more models" simply doesn't pan out in the long run for many people. Others have to carry this transportation long distances and through public transit and others simply have to go from thier car to the front door. But you don't want to hear that because you have decided there is a one-size-fits-all solution for transporting models, and that simply is not true. Every person has different needs that factor into the best solution for them personally.