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Thank goodness, I've found refuge from Utopias's crazy stats in the form of distortionist's clear thinking.

I'm just basing this on what I know so far. From what I have heard and seen (which is not much and I will be the first to admit that), Space Marines are more powerful than Ogryns. Please tell me of some fluff that says otherwise.

Fluff isn't always the answer. Considering the Grimdark follows our planet's physics, Ogryn must be stronger than space marines. Seeing that marines are still flesh and blood (albeit in the form of a human battle tank) there is a limited output due to their size (excluding bionics) Now, ogryn on the other hand, stand more than twice the height of a marine (look at the model) Now, I'm all for superhumans combined with ceramite strength suits, but they can only be so strong while being so small (comparatively) Ogryn biceps are as big as a marines chest!

What else am I supposed to go on except fluff for fluff stats? Besides, physics and engineering for that matter are much more complicated than greater size means greater power. There are such things as energy efficiency, power to mass ratios, structural integrity and integrity of materials used.

Ha...should be able to field a single Grand Master against 2000 points of daemons.

Distortionist wrote:I remember the Horus Heresy books stating a space marine is equal to 100 guardsmen, which seems more in line with the their fluff and so forth.

It might mean equal to 100 guardmen not in direct combat, but in general usefulness.

The Marines are often, from what I know, used for pinpoint strikes on enemy positions. In that way, one marine would probably be equal to 100 guardsmen.

So why can't their stats reflect that?

Think about this:

Of COURSE fluffy Marines would be way overpriced? Why do you think the Imperium almost always wins in the fluff? It's because if you took these battles and tried to put them in a 40k D6/points base, the Imperium generally has more points.

Take some battles from your favorite Black Library book and try to roughly point them out based on what forces are said to be active.