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IronfrontAlex wrote:WHY ARENT THERE RULES FOR HIM!?!?!

I know.
WHY!!!!!

Though I'm gonna go Azrael of the Dark Angles, I've always liked DA fluff and back in '95 he was actualy pretty cool.
And I know he's not a Chapter Master but he's probably as close as they will ever get Veteran Sergeant Centurius of the Legion of the Damned.

Didn't Centurius used to have rules? like a soul sucking skull?

Nisk Ran-Thawll. (Mentor Legion)

The guy has had a personal audience with the Emperor (in admittedly very old fluff, and even then it was only a rumour), has all of the coolest gear that exists, due to the Mentor Legion being a super-elite chapter that gets all of the best equipment (again, only in the old fluff, but who cares about the nonsense written in the latest codex about them anyway - that can't even get the chapter badge right in that) and his chapter has the most extensive combat epxerience of pretty much any chapter in existence due to going off to fight alongside other chapters, thereby learning all of the best tricks and knowing the most about every enemy and potential enemy of mankind (including renegade chapter masters) (again, only in old fluff, because some idiot did an about-face in the latest codex and completely changed their modus operandi)...

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.


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Fifty wrote:Nisk Ran-Thawll. (Mentor Legion)

The guy has had a personal audience with the Emperor (in admittedly very old fluff, and even then it was only a rumour), has all of the coolest gear that exists, due to the Mentor Legion being a super-elite chapter that gets all of the best equipment (again, only in the old fluff, but who cares about the nonsense written in the latest codex about them anyway - that can't even get the chapter badge right in that) and his chapter has the most extensive combat epxerience of pretty much any chapter in existence due to going off to fight alongside other chapters, thereby learning all of the best tricks and knowing the most about every enemy and potential enemy of mankind (including renegade chapter masters) (again, only in old fluff, because some idiot did an about-face in the latest codex and completely changed their modus operandi)...

I would of thought an original legion would have the best knowledge of warfare from fighting for millennia and actually creating other chapters such as the Mentor Legion... From what I've read, they sound like a very static force, being stationed in a massive space hulk, though you do say the new codex is nonsense...

P.S, Don't the salamander's have the best wargear, from their primarch being an awesome blacksmith and to make up for their low numbers?

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.

No, that's what a Brother Captain is. Grand Masters are the equivalents of Chapter Masters in rank. There are multiple because they are very spread out and are a significantly larger force than standard SM.

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.

No, that's what a Brother Captain is. Grand Masters are the equivalents of Chapter Masters in rank. There are multiple because they are very spread out and are a significantly larger force than standard SM.

They are more in between a captain and a chapter master, as they won't have as much power over their forces as a chapter master since there is more than one of them. But aren't there more space marines in a chapter than there are grey knights? Aren't there more Grand Masters because they are far more spread out?

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

fattyhasarrived wrote:There is no Grey Knight Grand Master, they are ultimately commanded by the Ordo Malleus.

....Yes there is. There are multiple, in fact. They are in the codex. You should read it if you haven't. They're right there, in the HQ section.

Sorry, I was meaning an overall master, such as a chapter master. Grand Masters are the equivalent of a captain. They aren't lead by a single figure because they never (or extremely rarely) fight as a whole, instead lending squads to where they are needed.

No, that's what a Brother Captain is. Grand Masters are the equivalents of Chapter Masters in rank. There are multiple because they are very spread out and are a significantly larger force than standard SM.

They are more in between a captain and a chapter master, as they won't have as much power over their forces as a chapter master since there is more than one of them. But aren't there more space marines in a chapter than there are grey knights? Aren't there more Grand Masters because they are far more spread out?

There are about 3,000 Grey Knights. A few posts ago I put the estimate of chapter masters between three and a dozen, and they are exactly like chapter masters. Trust me. They are. They're actually probably better, which is why they're disqualified.

Grey Knights Grand Masters are ridiculous. However I am going to disagree with the 3000 Grey Knights, theres nothing in any fluff/canon I have found that even says that. Most in fact would claim the Grey Knights are much smaller a force than a regular chapter.

I've always wondered why they need more than one Grand Master even if they are so spread out. I mean the High Marshal of the Black Templars have managed what canon rumors to be a chapter of close to 6 thousand Marines. That and the Templars have accomplished feats equal to anything the Grey Knights have done which I sometimes don't get. Either GW has a massive stiffy for the Templars or they really are badass

Ichi wrote:Grey Knights Grand Masters are ridiculous. However I am going to disagree with the 3000 Grey Knights, theres nothing in any fluff/canon I have found that even says that. Most in fact would claim the Grey Knights are much smaller a force than a regular chapter.

I've always wondered why they need more than one Grand Master even if they are so spread out. I mean the High Marshal of the Black Templars have managed what canon rumors to be a chapter of close to 6 thousand Marines. That and the Templars have accomplished feats equal to anything the Grey Knights have done which I sometimes don't get. Either GW has a massive stiffy for the Templars or they really are badass

As for the 3000 GK, It's just because in Lexicanium I trust. It's unconfirmed, but they don't make anything up. If they put it up, i assume it's because someone with credibility has said it.

As for the Black Templar, I believe it's because despite there being a high marshall, the individual marshalls seem to have more power over their crusades, also they're significantly more condensed than a regular chapter, and their density of marines is higher per crusade, whereas the Grey Knights have a few scattered squads all over the galaxy.

I actually think the 3000 GK theory to be a logical one. They're constantly spread out all over the galaxy, entering small engagements and being given orders by inquisitors requesting assistance. It makes perfect sense that they would bulk up on units to have a larger presence over this gigantic celestial body that the Imperium governs and needs to defend. Also, Move Marine GKs don't seem to have a lot of casualties, and they can recruit from all over the galaxy.

Henners91 wrote:I say Kyras.

Yeah, loyalty to mah chapter.

Hands down.

Force weapon = even if he loses, he wins!

Scratch that I just realized Calgar has Eternal Warrior. smurfs!

Named character should = Eternal Warrior, hands down. It makes sense; they usually cost the most.

A little bias...but Logan...he has been trained under one of the longest living tactical genius in the imperium( Bjorn)

Thelaugher wrote:A little bias...but Logan...he has been trained under one of the longest living tactical genius in the imperium( Bjorn)

I wonder if Bjorn counts, he used to be a Chapter Master.

If so I vote for him.