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You want to have a game against a dude that says he is bringing about 750 guardsmen? On vassal? That is going to be awesome

Seriously - you are wasting your time challenging the troll

Dashofpepper wrote:
As for Skype, I have 20MB/20MB up and down, and I host calls to prevent call lag. Its not uncommon for me to have 4-6 dakka-ites on a conference call during a game while we all chat, talk about Gwar's mom, have Gwar call us bloody Americans, while Iron Chaos Brute has to mute his microphone so we aren't deafened by the train thundering by every 8 minutes outside his window, and soon we'll have Reecius telling us about his exploits with women after this weekend....great fun talking to other folks.

It's more frequent than that at times

You forgot Primarch being a grumpy old guy

But yeah, great fun.

One thing, if you allow multiple FOCs, then ANY other army would transform your units in to a sack of potatos. Imagine trying to kill a dreadnought with a sack of potatos at range - it doesn't work.

I tried to build an eldar list with the force org chart that was as many points as his but I failed =( I only managed to scrounge up mere 7,957 points! The scariest part... is that I think guard could rack up even MORE points in their standard force org chart than the OP.

HQ: 1,756
2x Farseer- bike, warding, witnessing, spear, stones, guide, doom, fortune, mind war, storm 248
2x 10 Warlocks- bike, enhance, spear 630

Elites: 1,197

3x 10 Wraithguard w/ lock- spirit seer, spear, enhance 399

Troops: 2,394

6x 10 Wraithguard w/ Lock- spirit seer, spear, enhance 399

Fast Attack: 1,620

3x 3 Vyper- lance, cannon, holofields, star engines, vectored engines, spirit stones 540

Heavy Support: 990

3x 3 War Walkers- 6 lances, stones


Also 90 wraithguard lol Dx

akaean wrote:I tried to build an eldar list with the force org chart that was as many points as his but I failed =( I only managed to scrounge up mere 7,957 points! The scariest part... is that I think guard could rack up even MORE points in their standard force org chart than the OP.

HQ: 1,756
2x Farseer- bike, warding, witnessing, spear, stones, guide, doom, fortune, mind war, storm 248
2x 10 Warlocks- bike, enhance, spear 630

Elites: 1,197

3x 10 Wraithguard w/ lock- spirit seer, spear, enhance 399

Troops: 2,394

6x 10 Wraithguard w/ Lock- spirit seer, spear, enhance 399

Fast Attack: 1,620

3x 3 Vyper- lance, cannon, holofields, star engines, vectored engines, spirit stones 540

Heavy Support: 990

3x 3 War Walkers- 6 lances, stones


Also 90 wraithguard lol Dx

That would be an interesting thread - how exensive can you make your FoC. I think Orks might win that one though. =p

Start building. List is great.

Dashofpepper wrote:That would be an interesting thread - how exensive can you make your FoC. I think Orks might win that one though. =p

I think Gwar! did a few threads like that a while back. They were interesting reads.

In addition to the whole huge number of points this army needs, this army falls on its face in two places:

The first sign of trouble is when your plan involves the phrase "with luck" in any form. This is a pretty sure way to have a big problem.

The second is needing first turn, see the point above.

I've lost the meaning of this thread other than a kid discovered the internet. Lock please?

Kurgash wrote:I've lost the meaning of this thread other than a kid discovered the internet. Lock please?

+1

Also, Yarrick is made of fail, unless you model him as a pirate.

I have mine modeled as a cross between Humongus from The Road Warrior and a Village People reject. Tight leather shorts, a cape and a mask.......He tends to mess with my opponents comfort level.

Snickerdoodle wrote:

Also, Yarrick is made of fail, unless you model him as a pirate.

I have mine modeled as a cross between Humongus from The Road Warrior and a Village People reject. Tight leather shorts, a cape and a mask.......He tends to mess with my opponents comfort level.

And their sexual identity at the same time

unbeliever87 wrote:My Space Marine army would lose to this, simply because I cannot take even close to 8000 points using the normal FOC.

I am a horrible, horrible liar - the Space Marine codex can take up to 10255 points using the standard FOC. Rather than continue this thread I have posted the list here for any who were interested in seeing it!

I've tried to make these before, obv CSM wins due Summoned Lesser Demons, IG can make a 21000-22000 point legal list without any infinite units, something like

2 PCS's with loads of upgrades and Chimeras
5 Priest with max upgrades
2 Tech Priest, maxed

6 2000 odd point blobs, Chimeras

3 Hellhound squadrons

3 LRE squadrons

3 10 Ogryn units, Chimera

Just a more general point about the concept of an "Unbeatable list"; I believe that there is a simple proof that no list ever generated can be stated as being 'unbeatable'. Take your 'unbeatable army' and field it against an identical army. If it truly is unbeatable, then every single game ever played between those two armies must be a draw. However, if one player is a relative newcomer and the other player is an experienced veteran, I'd wager that just possibly, some of those games wouldn't be draws. Thus, the 'unbeatable list' would be beaten. QED.

I thank you.

If you took the new death company and Astorath. 6, 30 man death company with j packs, and thunderhammers, you work out to 9000 and sum points, thats without taking 3 300+ point vanguard sqauds, 3 sets of 6 fully upgraded termies in their fully upgraded land raiders, and 3 groups of fully outfitted dev squads, in their full upgraded land raiders. I don't think another army outside Guard, or Chaos with the does not use up force org trick, can come close.

InyokaMadoda wrote:Just a more general point about the concept of an "Unbeatable list"; I believe that there is a simple proof that no list ever generated can be stated as being 'unbeatable'. Take your 'unbeatable army' and field it against an identical army. If it truly is unbeatable, then every single game ever played between those two armies must be a draw. However, if one player is a relative newcomer and the other player is an experienced veteran, I'd wager that just possibly, some of those games wouldn't be draws. Thus, the 'unbeatable list' would be beaten. QED.

I thank you.

And that's why... oh feth did you divide by zero?

I can't believe how many people felt the need to weigh in on the competitiveness of an eight thousand point army....

I'd like to see the list face off against an armoured company list of the same points value. Those infantry blobs will just get mauled by massed battle cannon template fire.

Maybe add a few maurader bombers for those Apoc barrage templates.

Edit: and +1 for the thread being closed.

I'd like to see that face off against 26.5K of BA with 586 TH's

Arheiner wrote:I'd like to see that face off against 26.5K of BA with 586 TH's

I gagged a little. 586... I can't wrap my head around that number.

You probably couldn't beat certain blood angels armies (ie can you destroy 17 land raiders and their contents before they kill you
[spoiler]Unless if your very lucky you won't as 17 LR's + occupants would be hitting the lines of about half your army as it can't fit on and they'de clear half the deployed troops (almost a third of your force) by turn 2.

I ran a mock list wich is daul LC Termie Captain, Tycho, 2 Honour Guards, 3 TH/SS Termie Squads, 6 (full) Assault Squads, 3 (full) vanguard squads, 3 Devastator squads all kitted uot to target specific things. Oh and they all have a Land Raider Redeemer.

You'll blow up 3-4 first turn, the debarked squads will annihalate your suicide squads, turn 2 pop smoke you'll wreck maybe one and then your army vaporizes. Oh and thats on a double sized board, normal sized board you won't fit on and will be annihalated even quicker.

PS. I agree this is getting stupid since until it gets proved we'll be stuck.

O'shovah wrote:You probably couldn't beat certain blood angels armies (ie can you destroy 17 land raiders and their contents before they kill you
[spoiler]Unless if your very lucky you won't as 17 LR's + occupants would be hitting the lines of about half your army as it can't fit on and they'de clear half the deployed troops (almost a third of your force) by turn 2.

I ran a mock list wich is daul LC Termie Captain, Tycho, 2 Honour Guards, 3 TH/SS Termie Squads, 6 (full) Assault Squads, 3 (full) vanguard squads, 3 Devastator squads all kitted uot to target specific things. Oh and they all have a Land Raider Redeemer.

You'll blow up 3-4 first turn, the debarked squads will annihalate your suicide squads, turn 2 pop smoke you'll wreck maybe one and then your army vaporizes. Oh and thats on a double sized board, normal sized board you won't fit on and will be annihalated even quicker.

PS. I agree this is getting stupid since until it gets proved we'll be stuck.

well for those landraiders, thats where the vendettas do their part, 27 twin linked shots total, plus the heavy wepon sqauds with lascannons, also with first rank fire second rank fire thats 2400 shots if i use all my commands.

also i need some clarification on comander chenknov.

as for that vassal match im gona download it now and figure out how to use the program.

also i agree this thread should be locked becuase firstly i doubt im gona find another 8000 point army to play agaisnt and im working on a 2000-5000 point army list, and i will post it in army list this time.

Holy crap, this thread is still alive, getting necroed by the OP a week after it finally died away. :(

Your 8000-point list is garbage. I'm sure your 2000-5000 point lists will be also garbage. Why don't you learn to play the real game before you mess around with ridiculous broken points-levels?

minipancho... you cannot FRFSRF with heavy weapons...

Also, vendettas have 9 twin linked shots at three different land raiders because they are in squadrons... and having 5 to glance and 4 to do anything worthwhile... I think you are a goner.

InyokaMadoda, were you trying to say something completely obvious?
I truly am surprised that no one brought it up before you...

Is this a joke? Why would anyone take nork deddog. He's more points than any officer he'd proctect. And the deathstrike? I proxied it a few games and got it to fire once. It made a nice hole in the board but the other times it was a smoking crater. Not reliable enoguh by far.

I agree with Terminus, though I wouldn't have put it quite so brashly.

I think the common consensus here is: L2P.

kthxbye.

L. Wrex

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