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There are so many old models that need redoing so why pick Black Templars? Can't they leave the Space Marines alone for just ONE year?

I still believe that Grey Knights are the next Codex, DE and Necrons close but probably next year, and BT not in the near future. Let's see.

BTW here is a prediction by MajorWesJanson from Warseer:

I'm still sticking with my prediction of DE, then GK, then Necrons.

Fantasy 8th ought to be out in July/August, with the new Starter somewhere from August to Oct, and the first new book for them in Feb.

Nov/Dec is usually Holiday stuff, various bundles and wave releases.

Edit: Updating my predicted schedule:
May: Orcs and Goblins Models, LotR Battlehosts
June: Spearhead
July: WHFB 8th Edition Rulebook, wave models (cavalry kits, Daemon Models?)
August: Dark Eldar (Warriors, Wytches, Raider/Ravager kit, Hellions, metal new units, character blisters)
September: WHFB 8th Starter
October: Grey Knights (PAGK, GKTs, Storm Raven, ISTs in plastic)
November: Holiday bundles (Megaforces), wave models (1-2 DE plastics), and big kits (Eldar Grav Tank?)
December: see above
January: Necrons
February: Fantasy Army (TK or OK I suspect)
March: Wave release for DE, new supplement (maybe siege battles for fantasy?)
April: Black Templars
May: Fantasy Army

And 79hastings69's comment:

That's one of the strongest lists I've seen, it's not 100% accurate IMO but not bad. I think your fantasy feb 2011 entry is incorrect, don't expect the same running order as before, it "could" be something that was done at the beginning of 7th that gets an early update..... however a 40k rumour thread (not where I normally hang out) isn't really the place to discuss that. Overall not a bad guess/guidline for things to come.

Orky-Kowboy wrote:There are so many old models that need redoing so why pick Black Templars? Can't they leave the Space Marines alone for just ONE year?

Maybe because half the rules in the Black Templar codex have no efect because of the new rulebook

I am sad if they get redone i won't me able to field my terminator chaplin with lightning claws

Please not Black Templars again. We already had a sub-chapter this year and some other armies need it much more. Or got BTs somehow got shafted with the last rulebook?
I thought Grey Knights would be enxt. At least they need it.

Anyway, I hope a new Codex for Templars or Knights means we get a plastic Stormraven.

Lots of whining as per usual but I doubt the BT redo if indeed one is coming will be until next year and after Necrons at the least. GK seem to be the only power armour we'll see this year.

Codex: Grey Knights just means the loss of yet another of my armies.

Colour me not excited, wannabe Thunderhawk or no.


Certainly can't complain about BT though. I love the BT sprue, and I have the beginnings of a BT army, so new models = YAY!

Wasn't it said last year that GW would gak out marines first and look to the rest of the armies after that?

BrookM wrote:Wasn't it said last year that GW would gak out marines first and look to the rest of the armies after that?

That's what I remember

Vaktathi wrote:

Eh, they really feel more like "Marines...but *BETTER*...with more (blood,woflyness,etc), and even more Space Marine-y!" Really, at this point, it's all "Space Marines +" and they're all different in the exact same way, that being more assault oriented. BA's are faster with some beefy CC units, while Wolves are Chaos Marines with counterattack and acute senses and cheaper upgrades (for the same base cost).

I am happy to hear Black Templars are getting an update, and I hope GKs SOBs and Dark Angels are soon to follow. There is nothing wrong with imperium updates... that being said I also don't belive that "Spinoff Marines" are any 'better' or worse then "Base Marines" more so DIFFERENT. Wolves are VERY gimmicky, they have some drastically different choices then their Base counterparts and some extremely important special rules to them. They also seem more partial to melee combat then that of the Base Marines.

Blood angels are similar[ly gimmmicky]... people say that the new dex is just "stupid overpowered" yet from what I have seen, their cost and weakness are actually quite balanced. They are a close combat army... but argueably they are the WORST of their peers.(Same with Spacewolves). Orks completely outswarm them, nids have such high Toughness they easily out last them, Banshees strike first, and quite leathally at that, and dark eldar could kill them with a wink of their Eye (A 140point archon can wipe out a full str fully upgraded Sanguinary guard unit before giving them a rebuttal, Incubi rip apart Vangaurd Vets and assault marines like paper, and their SCs don't last a second to some of the DE weaponry out there).

To me, at least as far as BA/SW work, they seem like the Kroot of the imperium... they want to use their fists, but the bullies of the galaxy are just so much better, they should stick to throwing stones like the rest of the weaker kids on the playground (IE Base Marines). Now, when you look deeper into it, what counterbalances this are the "gimmicks" of the given armies. The Wolves have their wargear, with good strat you can make some crazy combos. Angels have their special rules and combo formations. Templars have their prayers, and Dark angels have Termi-troops. I like this because what it tells me is this...

Space Marines are a PERFECT starter army. Very well rounded and basic in what they do... when you learn more and start wanting to field more complex strats, you upgrade to any of the Spinoff Marine varients that fits your playstyle. In all honesty, I wish there were more space marine knockoffs (a heavy-ranged variant or even a caster varient ((Blood Ravens?)) ) but since there are not, I am happy to wait a few more months for my turn at codex updates (my main armies are Chaos Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Eldar) to have a more diverse opposition and keep my personal tactica sharp.

What I would like to see more of however are game balancing Errata... for example, fixing the point costs and stats of identical wargear that has since been upgraded (for instance, Storm shields) that happen inbetween codex launches, the fact that armies like the Dark Eldar, Black Templars, Daemonhunters, and Necrons have gone so long with outdated rules is stupid, it would not take much time to fix these small portions of the armies and would promote people buying more of their army (or perhaps even a new one) in between dex launches. TBH I stopped buying Dark Eldar the moment I read the FAQ/Errata stating that "Trophy Racks no longer serve any function in the current edition of the rules" that is a bs workaround to an easily fixable issue (for instance, Trophy Racks make it so that a squad can never Tie in melee and and +1 to the leadership test required for a unit that has lost in melee... that took me five seconds) and it is issues like these that a company such as GW should not have trouble fixing...

Soap box aside, I look foward to the new DE Dex, and BT as well! Necrons kinda scare me, but it is better then Tau getting one so soon! I will still wait for chaos (not holding my breath of course) but some how I see them coming along side Dark Angels as Cypher will probably end up switching teams for 5th edition (since he wasn't in the 4th edition Chaos Space Marine Dex and all...)

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote: Now, when you look deeper into it, what counterbalances this are the "gimmicks" of the given armies. The Wolves have their wargear, with good strat you can make some crazy combos. Angels have their special rules and combo formations. Templars have their prayers, and Dark angels have Termi-troops. I like this because what it tells me is this...

And that is what keeps the marine flavor fresh(ish).

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Space Marines are a PERFECT starter army. Very well rounded and basic in what they do... when you learn more and start wanting to field more complex strats, you upgrade to any of the Spinoff Marine varients that fits your playstyle. In all honesty, I wish there were more space marine knockoffs (a heavy-ranged variant or even a caster varient ((Blood Ravens?))

Agreed that SM's are the perfect starter army and great for when you want to expand into another variant or keep it simple... The only thing i would love to see would be blood ravens, The vallina SM codex is already heavy-ranged based pretty much.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:What I would like to see more of however are game balancing Errata... for example, fixing the point costs and stats of identical wargear that has since been upgraded (for instance, Storm shields) that happen inbetween codex launches, the fact that armies like the Dark Eldar, Black Templars, Daemonhunters, and Necrons have gone so long with outdated rules is stupid, it would not take much time to fix these small portions of the armies and would promote people buying more of their army (or perhaps even a new one) in between dex launches.

Indeed.. it is rather slowed to leave some rules for some units/armies completely ruined or negated entirely. Necrons are pretty much wrecked from 5th editon and Tau suffered a bit. What they need is a dynamic pdf that is updated monthly or something so armies don't suddenly find 1/2 their wargear broken.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:Soap box aside, I look foward to the new DE Dex, and BT as well! Necrons kinda scare me, but it is better then Tau getting one so soon! I will still wait for chaos (not holding my breath of course) but some how I see them coming along side Dark Angels as Cypher will probably end up switching teams for 5th edition (since he wasn't in the 4th edition Chaos Space Marine Dex and all...)

Yes... Bring on my enemies! A great person once said "A Hero can only be as great as his Nemisis". Once 5th editon Tau arises i shall reclaim the very stars themselves for the greater good!! Either that or my Blood angels purge every bugger they find ;p

In September Compel wrote:
Another wee tidbit from him. "I only tend to work on one army book and one codex a year." Also, Robin Cruddace added that "the development for the Imperial Guard codex lasted a year."

Now, some good news, ish from Phil.

Phil Kelly would really, really love to write the Dark Eldar codex. He said that the work he was most proud of was the Eldar codex and he feels that him writing the Dark Eldar one, I can't think of the exact words he said but it was along the lines of, "it would be a great extension and conclusion of it." I can't understate the feeling I got from him about this, it's like he feels he was meant to write the Dark Eldar codex. Almost as if the Eldar one is an unfinished tale without their dark reflection being done justice. So, the good news is. Dark Eldar players really do have someone batting for them in the studio and quite heavily too. Secondly, from what Robin Cruddace was suggesting, if you want GW to hear your opinions, don't whine on internet forums or write emails. Games Workshop pays attention to actual physical letters sent to them via the postie. If you want to be heard, that's how you do it.

And, the bad news. From Phil Kelly's talk, the Dark Eldar codex is not written yet.

That kind of fits in with all the Dark Eldar stuff then, doesnt it? Either that, or Phil Kelly was fibbing a little bit and had just recently got the gig, wanted to talk about it but didn't want to spoil.

In any case, it sounds good for Dark Eldar fans. It also makes sense when you add in the other sly references in Phil Kelly's recent books that he's been thinking a lot about it - for example, the second Dark Eldar city in Planetstrike.

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Best GW Game Designer: Check

Wait isn't this the guy that wrote the fantasy demon codex?...

GMMStudios wrote:

Wait isn't this the guy that wrote the fantasy demon codex?...

Oh dear...

Not a DE player but i'm looking forward to seeing the new stuff when/if it hits.

Looking forward to the new Necron codex with a certain sense of trepidation.....wil it be good AND keep the necrons falvour intact?

Someone mentioned renegade guardsmen........why woudl they need a specific codex? Can't youjust use the IG codex and chuck in some chaos spiky bits and icons?

Well I think this is a bit make or break for the Dark Eldar, if they don't perform well now, I don't think they ever will.

As far as Black Templars getting done, it does seem a bit too soon. It has its merits for being done and probably is alot easier for GW to manage quickly. The problem I see likely is one that one of the GW designers brought up. They've been working on alot of the easier codices to update and as the move into the more involved ones its going to be harder and slower to produce them. I think this may go into why all the marine codices are coming out so soon to each other, even if they were started on at the same time as another army they're done and ready to ship before the others.

Black Templars and Grey Knights... then in GW's eyes all the marine codices will have been updated for this edition, and we have some mix of Sisters of Battle, Tau, and Necrons. The simple fact is some army has to be last, so I don't think people should complain. Coming up to the end of the line if we assume GW doesn't throw a curve ball by starting a new edition or redoing an already redone codex or creating a new codex by end of next year everything currently supported will be done. That would open up 2013 for either a new edition or some new codices, like delving into the Chaos god specific legions. Alternatively Chaos specific Legions could always sneak in to fill the power armor shaped hole in GWs 2012 queue.

Hahaha Wieliczka salt mine, 30min. from my home

New Dark Eldar And Templars. YES! Me Templars are w8ing for new stuff! For the emperor! Burn the heretic, crusify them all!

GMMStudios wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Best GW Game Designer: Check

Wait isn't this the guy that wrote the fantasy demon codex?...

No, this is, seemingly, by Phil Kelly.
Mat Ward wrote the DoC Book IIRC.

Although realistically,of course, the whole design studio get to chip in ideas and thoughts.

Oh my bad.

But I was going to say, the Eldar codex was nice, but the demon codex writer (fantasy) should be canned...

Farmer wrote:

GMMStudios wrote:

Wait isn't this the guy that wrote the fantasy demon codex?...

Oh dear...

Mat Ward wrote Daemons of Chaos.

In all this talk about black tempars being after DE,what happened to my plastic stormtroopers? i need a second company 100 models is not enough. WH,DH, even xenos . Im glad DE are redone but us IQ people need a new book next.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the new Dark Eldar codex. I've been quite impressed with 5th edition so far. I've been away from the hobby for the last 5 years and I like some of the new elites that have been added and the volume of plastic models is great to see. The one downside I have seen recently is the propensity toward assault units, it seems everyone wants to get up in everyone else's grill. Dark Eldar Wyches will be the obvious candidates for this.

I'd like to see a new Dreadnaught / Wraithlord equivalent as the Talos(?) was a bit over the top for my tastes. I'd love to see a Wraithlod with sharp curves similar to the old Raiders. I suppose I should get round to painting my old incubi figures that have sat in an army box for 5 years...

GMMStudios wrote:Oh my bad.

But I was going to say, the Eldar codex was nice, but the demon codex writer (fantasy) should be canned...

I *think* Phil Kelly wrote the 40k Daemon codex, which is probably where the confusion stems from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDPi3x0uXds



That sort of dispalys my anger at the amount of marines being updated ¬¬

With the marines almost all done they can start on the 6th edition.

I am excited to see what happens for DE. Hopefully they will be less of the S&M army of 40k and more of the twisted pain driven...OK, nevermind.

What I would like to see for DE is more model options, or kits for more variety per model...like three versions of a speeder bike in one box.

rds8n says the book's at the printer, and someone else says it isn't even written yet...


Huh?

The red one I trust.

At this point grey knights are the only marine army id support updating.

Good to hear dark eldar are whats next though. They should either be squatted or completely redone. This twilight though is bad for business.

Alpharius wrote: and someone else says it isn't even written yet...


Huh?

If that was referring to me, I was possibly a bit too subtle about the 'In September' part.

It was a quote from something I said last September, as in, September 2009.

Alpharius wrote:rds8n says the book's at the printer, and someone else says it isn't even written yet...
Huh?

BrookM wrote:The red one I trust.

I also trust reds8n more than "In September Compel", his rumours always seem so dated