Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Once again:

This is nothing new. They do this every few years, wherein they clear out old tables and scenery to make way for new stuff.

There has been absolutely no real indication of them "getting rid of scratch-builds" from their stores.

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:I wonder if they will take How to Make Wargames Terrain off the shelves too?

No, but I understand there's going to be a new version based on the RoB gameboard, and various terrain kits that GW sells...

Kanluwen wrote:There has been absolutely no real indication of them "getting rid of scratch-builds" from their stores.

I was in our local GW today and they have replaced all the scratch-build terrain with Battle boards. Other users are reporting the same so I think that is really good indication...

Other UK users.

Who also complain that the shops are small and crowded.

Y'know, I'm thinking I'm seeing a reason why they're using smaller, modular boards rather than large scratchbuilds...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Come to think of it: Pretty much every official GW shop is fairly cramped and small. Being able to have tables they can disassemble and store or assemble as more are needed isn't a bad idea. Keeping the larger terrain pieces to go on the tables as separate pieces isn't a bad idea either.

If we see them start selling off the stuff at the Battle Bunkers and Warhammer World, then you all can start back up with the bitching that they're "BANNING CREATIVITY!", etc etc.

Lyracian wrote:The battle board look nice enough but they are a bit plain compared to the "Mines of Moria" our local GW did have in the shop.

£150 for six boards seems a bit over the top. I am currenlty making my own board for playing on at home. For £35 I got a MDF Board as a base some plained timber for a border and polystyrene sheets to make the terrain features. That is 1/4 of the GW cost (plus a little time to assemble).

At the risk of seeming to make an anti-GW rant, £150 for six boards is well over the top.

For £150 you can have a hand-made 6x4 feet terrain mat, with 12 feet of roads and several feet of river sections, and two pieces of area terrain such as marshes or rough ground, and delivery, from www.terrainmat.com. Everything is customised to your colour choice, ready to unroll and start playing.

http://www.terrainmat.com/

Alternatively, as you say, you can buy enough DIY supplies to make a ton of your own terrain.

However Timmy would prefer to buy GW terrain off the shelf, and fair does to him.

It must be these newer stores that are tiny, most of the ones I've been in are a decent size with 2-3 fixed tables. I know some of these one man US stores are supposed to be rather small but it's not what I know of UK stores. I've been in quite a lot of GW stores over the years, I would always pop into the one in a new town I was visiting and tick them off in the list in White Dwarf.

My local games workshop has begun getting rid of all the old tables. They had a competition and I won an awesome scratch-built gaming table.
And I mean its amazing, the though of them replacing it with a ROB table is so stupid.

I'll see if I can get a picture if it.

Kanluwen wrote:If we see them start selling off the stuff at the Battle Bunkers and Warhammer World, then you all can start back up with the bitching that they're "BANNING CREATIVITY!", etc etc.

QFT. West Edmonton Mall GW is so small that their boards are typically no bigger than 3X3. As far as playing surface goes, RoB is a huge upgrade for stores like those. But until I actually see them throwing out scratchbuilt terrain and converted minis -after- the sale, I'm not jumping to conclusions. Yes, I know GW loves our money more than they love us these days, but I also like to think that there's still a glimmer of hope that they don't want to completely crap on the soul of the hobby. I frequently find myself disappointed, but there've been times where I've proclaimed "Good job GW!" without being sarcastic.

you guy keep always bash and talk badly about GW, but in the end you still play the hobby/game. So for all you who truly despise GW and talk badly about them why do you still buy there stuff and play their hobby? Hypercritical I think so.

jackvolerich wrote:you guy keep always bash and talk badly about GW, but in the end you still play the hobby/game. So for all you who truly despise GW and talk badly about them why do you still buy there stuff and play their hobby? Hypercritical I think so.

Most gamers who have spent any length of time and effort on this hobby have come to love it. Much like the motor enthusiast who lavishes attention on their car but still grumbles about the price of petrol (well, at least if you live in the tax hell of the UK anyway) I for one would find it very hard to turn my back on the hobby after being seriously involved with it for quarter of a century.

I can afford to buy my models...that doesn't mean I want to pay extortionate prices for them. I appreciate that prices will always go up due to inflation and GW, like every other business, is suffering from the financial fallout of last year, however, this hobby started out as something just about everybody could afford...now if you want to get into it you need some serious capital.

The advertising is now aimed at younger audiences, whereas, when I first started it was the province of your average student. What chance does a youngster stand of being able to build an army without some serious parental financial investment these days.

Last year I started an Ork army with my 15 year old son (who rather lost interest I have to say because I did all the model work). I bought his half of the army from him for £280 the other week and he has now bought himself a decent sized Tyranid army which he has built himself (aside from all the darned pinning of the metal models which I did for him).

Now if we bought directly from GW the same size army would have cost another £56 on top of the £280. As it is he now has the new codex, a Hive Tyrant, Carnifex, Mawloc and Biovore. 2 Pyrovores, 2 Tyrant Guards, 2 Hive Guards and 2 Lictors. 3 Zoanthropes, 8 Warriors, 8 Stealers, 30 Gaunts and 30 Termies, 17 spore mines and god knows how many rippers. It might sound a lot of kit for your money but when it comes right down to it, it's just some moulded plastic and metal for a whole lot of cash.

Does anyone who lives in the Nottingham area or who has visited Warhammer World recently know what is happening there regarding gaming boards? Last time I was there was before ROB boards came out and every table had an element of scratch build. Some of them were really nice terrain sets too. Have they or are they getting rid of those?

Here's a few more bits from my haul!

All replaced with RoB's?

Wow...

I think that my local store will be having 3 permanent ROBs. One per system.
They are going to drag out gaming mats on chipboard for games nights!

jackvolerich wrote:you guy keep always bash and talk badly about GW, but in the end you still play the hobby/game. So for all you who truly despise GW and talk badly about them why do you still buy there stuff and play their hobby? Hypercritical I think so.

It's not their hobby, it's our hobby.

I'll buy and use whatever GW stuff I want, alongside all my wargaming stuff from other companies.

jackvolerich wrote:you guy keep always bash and talk badly about GW, but in the end you still play the hobby/game. So for all you who truly despise GW and talk badly about them why do you still buy there stuff and play their hobby? Hypercritical I think so.

I do not despise GW. However when you have played a game for 15 years there is a lot of time/money invested to just turn your back on a game. I just think it is sad the route they are taking...

It does not bother me what GW does with there shops. I never buy anything from the store anyway. The FLGS down the road gives me a 20% discount on any Warhammer I want and there are dozens of on-line sites I can buy terrain for my own games. I use the old cardboard Necromunda buildings for my games.

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:I wonder if they will take How to Make Wargames Terrain off the shelves too?

Here's my haul so far, it needs a bit of work to bring it back up to scratch.
Still some more bits to pick up!

Hey I thought I'd seen that LotR Argonath themed board before, just realised you're at Bristol too! Did they just let you get it for free? If so that's pretty amazing, I always liked the look of that board. Worth me going into town today to see if there's anything else?

I had to buy it but I didn't pay too much.
It's not worth you going into town to look for more bits as I cleared them out on Monday but don't worry, it hasn't gone far.
I'm in the process of setting up a new independent store in Bristol and this clearout couldn't have come at a better time for me!

Right, i literally just phoned up my GW, and yeah, they're selling off old mini's and some of their boards. Interestingly, not all the ones that arent ROB boards. Either way, i think this is fairly good. It means people who have no chance of making stuff like this have the chance. I want me a cities of death board!

I wonder if they'll be selling their skyscraper board.....?

Kilkrazy wrote:

jackvolerich wrote:you guy keep always bash and talk badly about GW, but in the end you still play the hobby/game. So for all you who truly despise GW and talk badly about them why do you still buy there stuff and play their hobby? Hypercritical I think so.

It's not their hobby, it's our hobby.

Quite right. We buy stuff and play games on our terms not theirs.

Went to the GW here on Monday, no sell offs yet and they have not heard anything about the UK one.

Lorne wrote:Went to the GW here on Monday, no sell offs yet and they have not heard anything about the UK one.

Yea, but GW HQ could go bankrupt and I'd bet you the rest of their stores wouldn't hear about it for months

They would complain that they are not getting any stock though.

They still have a factory and warehouses in North America. But they'd be too concerned with selling Ult-hurrrr-ah-marines to tweens to really notice anything amiss

I wonder if they will do that at the Glen Bernie bunker. May have to make a trip for that auction.

I thought some things were only in the UK, I remember a container of wave serpents or grav tanks being lost in the ocen during shipping once.

Oops, double post.

Grr... Not all ultramarine players are "tweens" you know.

I just called my local GW store in northern Virginia and the manager said he hadn't heard of any of this going on in North America. He said he usually raffles terrain and figures when they have excess supply to get rid of.

Lorne wrote:I thought some things were only in the UK, I remember a container of wave serpents or grav tanks being lost in the ocean during shipping once.

Probably -why- they made NA more self-sufficient

Seriously. In the middle of the ocean? Somehow just plopped a container off the edge?

Classic fail

Lorne wrote:I thought some things were only in the UK, I remember a container of wave serpents or grav tanks being lost in the ocean during shipping once.

It was the molds destined for the North American factory/distribution center that were "lost".

Funny thing is, it coincided with knock-off Wave Serpents cropping up on eBay...