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Humanity would probebly join the imperium within about a minute of them landing. Humans with better technology, see no reason why not.

And if there was combat, it would end similarly to the seven hour war from half life 2. But the A10 would hurt things. Good thing I am gunna try to fly one.

Melissia wrote:No it isn't. Earthshaker rounds are quite well known for their incredible destructive power.

while that may be, things like the M982 Excalibur can deliver a shell within 13 feet of a target from 25 miles away can be quite devastating, not to mention if you fire it out of something like a PzH 2000 which can put 3 rounds out in 9 seconds which even when dropping dumb ordinance can blanket a large area of ground pretty successfully on its own. with proper recon you could probably just pick out all of the Basilisks and earth shakers pretty easily


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Catachans would kick our asses in the jungles

Ennkay wrote:

Melissia wrote:No it isn't. Earthshaker rounds are quite well known for their incredible destructive power.

while that may be, things like the M982 Excalibur can deliver a shell within 13 feet of a target from 25 miles away can be quite devastating, not to mention if you fire it out of something like a PzH 2000 which can put 3 rounds out in 9 seconds which even when dropping dumb ordinance can blanket a large area of ground pretty successfully on its own. with proper recon you could probably just pick out all of the Basilisks and earth shakers pretty easily

Yes, and?

With proper recon-- IE, orbital scans, scout sentinels, or just plain recce platoons-- earthshakers could just blanket all Earth forces' artillery with ease, and do a better job of it because of the superior firepower.

And Cadians would own us everywhere else. The Imperial Guard is fighting far deadlier opponents than mere humans every day on countless worlds at any given time. Assignment to invade Earth would be seen as light duty and rightfully so.

Earth would lose because I would betray you all in the name of the Emprah!

Frankly I bet losing would be better for us than winning anyway...

That's good, since there's no way in hell we're winning anyway.

And as an added benefit, they would probably mindwipe/servitor all the psycho religious fanatics who don't accept the Emprah's worship.

I played this battle once at are store....

1,500 pts of Space Wolfs vs. 1,500 pts US Army 5th Armored Infantry....

6 turns of savage shooting Space Puppies hit what they were shooting at the US Army hit mostly terrain features, by the time turn 6 came around Space Puppy termies got in close combat and slaughtered the Army guys. A lone Army vet Sgt with missle launcher did manage to take out the Space Marine Commander in Termi armor and 5 other termies at long range and survived till turn 6. US Army was wiped out, but had only 1 survivor. Space Puppies were killed to the man a hard win that I will never play again.

US Army trooper
flak armor
stub gun
stub pistol
combat knife
frak an krak grenade.

hvy / support weapons
hvy stubber
missile launcher
grenade launcher
mortar

vehicles
predator type armed with auto cannon, hvy stubber

LordWynne wrote:flak armor
krak
missile launcher
grenade launcher
mortar
predator type armed with auto cannon, hvy stubber

Yeah, all of these are wrong. There's no proof that our krak nades, krak missiles, mortars, or tanks are equivalent to any of these, and I KNOW that our body armor isn't equivalent to Flak Armor.

The earthshaker is good for putting a large shell in the general area of an enemy position or charge pulping pretty much anything. However, were it so easy for the guard to neutralize enemy artillery you would not have have situations like in 'First and Only' where they do get shelled on a regular basis(and actually know the general area of where the guns are iirc) yet did not neutralize the batteries, or situations like in fifteen hours where they are engaged in trench warfare where both sides come under heavy artillery bombardment on a regular basis. yet for 10 years could not place shells to neutralize the ork artillery positions.

The Imperial Guard is terrible at neutralizing Artillery. And given the likeness of the earthshaker to a classic ww1 ww2 era artillery piece with the added bonus of a large shell(which is not even the case as the forgeworld basilisk sheet states that the earth shaker shell is a 132MM shell as opposed to the 155 utilized by the PzH 2000 and M982 Excalibur systems) . It also states that the shell can travel 15 KM (9 miles)

lets recap

the basilisk fires a smaller shell, less accurately, and with a shorter range

while modern artillery is capable of putting a larger sized shell to a target 25 miles away within 13 yards of the target with a faster rate of fire.


*friend asked me to throw this tidbit in here(no dakka account)

The Earthshaker is barely equivalent to modern short range artillery. The stats given for it in the FW datasheet indicate that it fires 132mm shells up to 15km. Though there's no figures given for accuracy, its short range and small shell size (even assuming a more powerful charge with more effective chemical explosive as compared to modern chemical explosives) in no way compensate for modern artillery's longer range, precise fire (with GPS guided rounds landing within meters of their targets), and higher rates of fire. It's unthinkable that Earthshakers could possibly clear out a modern artillery regiment when the modern artillery has four times the range and more than sufficient firepower to wipe the Earthshakers off the field.

Ennkay wrote:[snip]

A good author may sacrifice realism for the sake of drama.

Compare it to the Cain books, where they demolish a small group of city blocks and leave them in ruin, but none of the neighboring blocks are harmed (Very minimal damage). Effectively, Earthshakers as well as any other artillery in fiction are as precise as the plot demands them to be.

Decimating one city block and leaving nearby blocks "minimally damaged" is insufficient when you compare it to modern artillery's ability to decimate a specific building and leave nearby structures unharmed. Beyond which, even assuming that Earthshakers can just match (nevermind exceed) a modern artillery piece's accuracy, its range means it will never be able to place sufficient counter-battery fire on modern artillery before being destroyed by the accurate, powerful, and long-ranged fire of modern artillery. The sad fact is that modern towed, small artillery pieces and mortars can meet or exceed the range of an Earthshaker, which is the longest ranged artillery piece that the IG seem to field (the US's M119 Howitzer, which is light enough to be air-dropped via parachute, can reach out the nearly 20km).

Main question is, who cares? Earth still loses.

Terminus wrote: Earth still loses.

yes, i figure the whole situation is pretty null given one of the usual methods of bringing a planet into the fold of the imperium is just dropping an imperator titan in, we'd probably give the whole imperium thing a shot once there is one chilling outside of washington D.C

but i wanted to point out that we arent as helpless as you might think against the guard( i chose not to expand into other areas because thats too much gak to talk about)

Again, range is not really specified

aka_mythos wrote:GW game designers have talked about how the ranges of the table top game are not meant to be considered linearly. Such that at the start of the game when you're 4ft away, that might represent a mile, but that as you close the range represented by an inch shifts. Thus their isn't any good way of extrapolating range from the table top. If you look at Forge World's Imperial Armor I believe it places Basilisk cannons as being effective in the 15-20kM range.

So that means they have a range of at LEAST 20 kilometers, which is not inferior to modern artillery (~24km is about average for normal rounds-- rocket assisted rounds can go longer, but then we get in the realm of special ammunition which you have no proof the Imperium doesn't have itself). In fact, the codex notes that the Earthshaker Cannon's range is supposed to be one of its most well known features.

Furthermore, the Basilisk is extremely mobile with no need to set up before firing-- they just need to stop to point the vehicle in the right direction, aim and fire, then they can move again a few moments later, unlike the most modern artillery piece in common use today (M777 howitzer) which requires it be towed by a truck or airlifted by a helicopter. Neither of which have as good armor as the basilisk itself does.

IG will just spam AV12 FTW.

On a somewhat related note, I wish they included the specialized rounds in the codex to make Basilisks more interesting/fieldable.

Vrakk wrote:And we have numbers - India and China alone could field enough troops (albeit poorly trained) that would make a Imperial Guard commander jealous.

This is SO going into my book of qoutes.

Also you are comparing self-propelled guns to emplacements, which its already given that modern self prepared guns outclass the basilisk, you can go ahead and compare earthshaker emplacements to the m777 but this still retains the same range and firepower attributes.

The Witchhunters would just have no mercy.Power armour vs. kevlar.Bye bye

Four words: Cobalt Bombs and bunkers.

Buh-bye

Ennkay wrote:its already given that modern self prepared guns outclass the basilisk,

No, it's not.

Space Marines win because their armor is prettier colors than ours.

In all honesty, we wouldn't stand a chance.

When you delve into our BEST of weaponry, we are still outclassed by that of IGs "standard issue"

When talking numbers, Earth has a population of 6 billion the IG considers a world-battle in which infantry losses alone double that to be "Insignificant casualties"

When talking Tech, Its the year 40k for a reason. Nothing we have right now compares to Plasma, Melta, Ceramite, or anything of the like, and thats not counting Psykers and the Machine Spirit...

Saying that "Modern forces would stand a chance against the IG" is effectively saying "The Roman Legions would stand a chance against Modern Forces" without one MAJOR element... Modern Forces aren't fictional... They can't be dramatically 'powered up' with a simple keystroke, they don't have magical abilites that allow them to shoot lightning from their fingertips, or summon Daemonic entities, or the ability to Teleport anything at all.

The entire premise behind this thread can only be described as 'unfair'... and the concept is about as debatable as the topic "Does Water contain Oxygen?"

/thread

~DAR

How the battle would go would depend on how the Imperium presents to the world. Would it show up, have peace talks, and take their time? Or much more likely, would it show up, sawy bow or die, and attack? Are they trying to preserve the world, or just wipe it?

In the first option, the Imperium would have time to learn our language, determine who is in charge and when the attack came they would know where to send their elite elements to take out the world's command structure.

In the 2nd option the world's forces would have to time to prepare and get organized. Our air power would play havoc with troop and vehicle transports trying to land. Eventuall thru weight of nubmers and advanced technology, the Imperium would gain the upper hand. Now consider this.
Do you really thinkg countries like N Korea, Iran, Russia, Israel, Saudia Arabia, etc. would just say "ok, you win." Of course not. They would nuke their own lands before giving it to the Imperium - rememeber, France is not in charge - surrender is not an easy choice.

Given how much arable land the world has, it could very well be that they would want to convert this world into an aggri-world.


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Vrakk wrote:In the 2nd option the world's forces would have to time to prepare and get organized. Our air power would play havoc with troop and vehicle transports trying to land..

I doubt it. The vehicles in Aeronautica Imperialis are pretty damn fast and tough, and a lot better armed than our own.

It'd be just a case of:

"WE'VE got Nukes!"

"Yeah? Well WE'VE got Imperator Titans!"

"Oh Yeah? Well WE'VE got huge numbers of tanks!"

"Really? We'll WE'VE got Space Marines"

"Oh. Damn."

imperium has nukes anyway
adrams are not the best tank in earth
leopard and NEW russian tanks are even/better than that tincan

anyway you only need to spook the civilians=hysteria and it ends with surrender
imperium wins

Ardensfax wrote:It'd be just a case of:

"WE'VE got Nukes!"

"Yeah? Well WE'VE got Imperator Titans!"

"Oh Yeah? Well WE'VE got huge numbers of tanks!"

"Really? We'll WE'VE got Space Marines"

"Oh. Damn."

More like:

"We've got nukes!"
"Yeah, so do we, what about 'em? We've got Titans."
"Oh yeah? Well we've got huge numbers of tanks!"
"So we'll just deploy a few more armour batallions than normal, big deal."
"Yeah, but we have lots of artillery!" "You, too? Cool. We've got powered armor which is nigh-invulnerable to your weaponry."
"Crap."

argh double post

No, I think that conversation ends with Imperial Titans.

Alternatively, the Imperium can just send in Sanguinor, and a solid chunk of the world will go "OMG ANGELZ!! *grovel*"