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IvanTih wrote:
Nice try,even if defeated they just phase to nearest Tomb World and in 41st Millenium galaxy is teeming with life.
Blackstone Fortress failed to destroy them.

Not a nice try, this is actual canon, from Mechanicum.

By the way, the Nightbringer was starved and nearly killed by Ultramarines, and only managed to survive because of the ultramarines stupidity.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:What is "The Culture"?

Ahem: Try a google search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture


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akaean wrote:While I don't watch any Anime any more, I'd argue that the some of that stuff is pretty OTT as well. Some of the Gundams from Gundam Wing seem like they are armed similarly to Titans. I don't have the numbers on those, or anything but they could give the ground forces a run for their money.

This would be a negatory. As huge a Gundam fan that I am, none of the Gundamverses, even the ones with the silly powerful ones like TurnA or G Gundam have what it takes. To use your example of Gundam Wing - in this world only 5 such Gundams exist (7 if you count Wing0 and Talgeese). This is a problem. Recently, in Gundam 00, a similar disparity in technology between the main characters and their opponents fodder like machines was established at the start. In this case, their enemies deduced that while the Gundams were protected by their higher tech plot armor, their pilots were only human and could be pushed beyone their endurance. When that failed, they deduced that the Gundam's weakest point was their mobile home base. Even if the Gundams could go toe to toe with a Titan - which is doubtful in itself - their pilots and home-base craft definitely could not survive the kind of numbers that the IoM could throw at them.


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phantommaster wrote:Alls I can think of is Necrons. They already have 3 awoken Star Gods, albeit one not doing much, ships that move so fast they cannot be detected, almost invincible warriors (according to fluff) and knows what else.

Having things from 40k vs 40k is to be contrary to the intent of this thread. Being that they are from the same universe, and ALREADY fighting on even terms, obviously they would be in contention.

Have to chime in here.

The Five Galaxies civilization from the Uplift books, they just have to unite for a single cause for once.

What about Daleks, assuming they're not fighting the time Lords?
They have billions of soldiers, armed with weapons much more powerful than anything a guardsman possesses, and they can fly. I colud see them needing to develop something to deal with titans though.

IvanTih wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:With that signal, do you think maybe they could deliver it through the webway? If so, the IoM would have a chance. Course, they would have to ally themselves with eldar to accomplish this... And about the *spread* I was refering to, it was the warp drive detonation. As in I thought you refering to an actual explosion. You know, wreckage and such.

Also, don't replicators, if they are stranded in space, deactivate? And wait untill they can make it to a ship?

Yes, allying themselves with the eldar might accomplish this.
Yes, the replicators could be destroyed by IoM. Just not the old fashioned way the imperium is used to fighting.
Yes, a warp drive could eradicate them. All of them or just some, that is subject to debate, and i don't think any of us could clarify this.

And yes, stranded in space they would deactivate until attaching to a ship...which would only postpone the inevitable. And with enough luck of finding a Craftworld ...well...nuff said.
Also, i wonder what the outcome of a replicator / necron encounter would be...that should be interesting enough, as i could easily see one side totally submissive to the other without much of a fight. And with the necron power and the replicator ability to multiply...

To conclude, i would say that if the Imperium chooses a traditional space battle, or fighting with regular weapons/lasers/space marines, they would definitely lose. However, they could win by other methods, but it would require the mechanicum to invent some really nasty stuff, which they failed to do during the last few thousand years...

Advancment in the Imperium exist,it's just slow.
I wonder what would Chaos Gods do,if Replicators went against them(Chaos will stomp them).
Replicators would just annoy Necrons(their bodies are nanotech and Necrodermis infestation is hard to get off planet,read Caves of Ice).

Yes one of my quotes proves that!

The Imperium is increasing in technology, like that of a slowed slug!

Also Warp drives exploding means there is nothing left! Its not like halo how they transport half the ship! NO!
Its like a freaking super nova Except of it exploding it implodes! Leaving nothing behind! Ok one emperor class ship could destroy an entire TYRANID HIVE FLEET!

Anyway the only thing i could see beating the Imperium of man is the.......... Chuck Norris nation.
JK. Probaly only thing that could are the Xel-Naga from starcraft + the protoss. I could not see the IoM winning against them....

AndrewC wrote:But the real question would be how many culture ships would it take to destroy IoM?

One. It's not much of a contest when they fight from hyperspace.

The real fun starts when you throw the Idirans into the mix. While they're puny compared to the Culture's sheer size, Idiran warriors are silly fun in ground battles. Assuming that one of the combatants isn't a knife missile, of course.

Asherian Command wrote:
Anyway the only thing i could see beating the Imperium of man is the.......... Chuck Norris nation.
JK. Probaly only thing that could are the Xel-Naga from starcraft + the protoss. I could not see the IoM winning against them....

I doubt it. How extensive was the Protoss Empire? On attrition alone the Imperium would likely have them beat.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Anyway the only thing i could see beating the Imperium of man is the.......... Chuck Norris nation.
JK. Probaly only thing that could are the Xel-Naga from starcraft + the protoss. I could not see the IoM winning against them....

I doubt it. How extensive was the Protoss Empire? On attrition alone the Imperium would likely have them beat.

The Xel-naga ruled the entire Galaxy.
And the protoss ruled 2/5 of the galaxy.

Asherian Command wrote:
The Xel-naga ruled the entire Galaxy.

1) Xel-Naga are long dead. AND they are basically the equivalent of the Old Ones.

And the protoss ruled 2/5 of the galaxy.

Easy peasy.

AsherianCommand wrote:Also Warp drives exploding means there is nothing left! Its not like halo how they transport half the ship! NO!
Its like a freaking super nova Except of it exploding it implodes! Leaving nothing behind! Ok one emperor class ship could destroy an entire TYRANID HIVE FLEET!

Finally, someone who actually knows what a warp drive detonation does!!!

The Borg.

Henners91 wrote:The Borg.

Yeah, before they got all lame in Voyager.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Henners91 wrote:The Borg.

Yeah, before they got all lame in Voyager.

Actually i enjoyed the voyager. It is good. But I like stargate universe better. (JK not really. SU sucks)

The Imperium of man isn't up to the task of fighting the power of..... Grime and Dirt! Because in the grimdark future of the 41st milllenium, there is no OxyClean.

Henners91 wrote:The Borg.

Borg would be annihalated by IoM weaponry, unlike star trek ships, their weapons have no frequency, so therefore Borg Cubes CANNOT adapt to imperial weaponry and will be destoyed very quickly. I have already explained this in previous posts... the borg would be no challenge whatsoever to the IoM.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:The Imperium of man isn't up to the task of fighting the power of..... Grime and Dirt! Because in the grimdark future of the 41st milllenium, there is no OxyClean.

May god save us all....
Anyway i believe one race could beat them as my other plan went down the drain.....
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Collector
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Protoss
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Enslaver
How about these bad boys?

I believe there is only one being in the entire universe of universes, that could take a stand against the Imperium of man.
This Guy:
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Teal'c

Melissia wrote:

IvanTih wrote:
Nice try,even if defeated they just phase to nearest Tomb World and in 41st Millenium galaxy is teeming with life.
Blackstone Fortress failed to destroy them.

Not a nice try, this is actual canon, from Mechanicum.

By the way, the Nightbringer was starved and nearly killed by Ultramarines, and only managed to survive because of the ultramarines stupidity.

I know,but I was reffering to the fact that they are free so they're damn had to kill now.
Except Void Dragon who's still on Mars.


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Asherian Command wrote:

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:The Imperium of man isn't up to the task of fighting the power of..... Grime and Dirt! Because in the grimdark future of the 41st milllenium, there is no OxyClean.

May god save us all....
Anyway i believe one race could beat them as my other plan went down the drain.....
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Collector
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Protoss
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Enslaver
How about these bad boys?

At best Reapers do gigatons of firepower.
Collector too weak.
Protoss,don't know.
Surely if present in large numbers.

STC_LogisEngine wrote:
When facing extreme threats the Imperium usually lifts a few bans and have the Mechanicum dig out ancient and forbidden weapons that has been locked away because they are too dangerous to have around, ranging from Vortex warheads on immense scale, experimental weaponsystems from mankinds past that cannot be repliated, Nanobot weaponsystems etc etc.

Probably this. The archives of the Mechanicus are no doubt filled with horrendously powerful weapons. They are probably holding back some "collapse universe onto itself" warhead from the Dark Age of Technology.

IvanTih wrote: I know,but I was reffering to the fact that they are free so they're damn had to kill now.
Except Void Dragon who's still on Mars.

Actually, the Nightbringer is still weak. After he was freed by the Ultramarines (IDIOTS!!!!!) he went and spread himself over a nearby star and is still regaining his strength. The only C'tan currently at full strength is the deciever. And we all know he's not so hard to kill (unless your armed with a phaseknife, we all know how that goes...).

The culture isn't even a fight. Against anyone. (basically they beat EVERYTHING but gods, who hand the asses they've collected back, no fight either way)

So my vote goes to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.



Depending on ship tech, Issac Asimov's Galactic Empire could have attritioned the IoM to death, having 25 million planets in its heyday.

Starwars is really not that militarized. I mean C'mon, 14 million clones?! Grand Army? There are 18 million on earth! (soldiers, not clones )

Alucard would be interesting. This depends on two things.
1) do ghoul/Alucard'ed navigators still navigate? If not, Dracard Alucula may be restricted to a single system, barring devine intervention.
and 2) I am pretty shure that virus bomb > Vampire, so he would have to stop eventually -even if after several decades of pure madness- just like hive fleet behemoth. Yes, thats right, one man is effectively a hive fleet-level threat. That or he would meet someone like Yarrick and decide that he was 150% worthy to take him down.

The Scrin from the Command and Conquer tiberium verse might be able to defeat the IoM, but not in a conventional war.
What they do is "seed" every planet in the galaxay with tiberium.
Wait a few thousand years until tiberium levels get too high and you get a explosion, wiping out most sentinet life on the planet leaving some survivors to be mopped up.

Problems with this are:
1) IoM can destroy the asteriods with tiberium, though this may actually help spread it though if tiberium can survive reentry.
2) This is highly inpractical cause there is like a trillion planets
3) If the mechanicum develops sonic weapons, they could destroy/slow down the proccess of tiberium.

In a straight fight, IoM would kill Scrin easy.

The Culture are pretty much the most well known major contender.

But I offer from Neal Asher's Polity:

The Polity:
Human/AI society, currently building a Dyson Sphere, use stargate commuter (Runcible) travel between planets/ships/floors/the future and the past/galaxies/Bedrooms. Ten year wars with 2 Megadeaths every 42 seconds are regarded as hoaxes, and when they turn the safeties off their Runcibles, anything coming through exits at 1% below C. Not to mention they have finished their first "War Runcible", its about the size of Jupiter and is used for firing moons like shotgun pellets.
They use Golem infantry spam on mass, artificial beings able to use flowing lava as cover in combat and survive re-entry on the outside.
Their elite infantry are Sparkind, humans and Golems taken to such levels of enhancement that they can fend off hordes of standard combat Golem with only a platoon.

The "Jain":
Bio-Physics-technology AI/Bacteria that is able to subvert anything with heat, matter and sentience, prior to a die-back caused by hitting critical mass point a second before awakening to true Singularity Intelligence, they were making a galaxy-wide Dyson Sphere. That galaxy is believed to be one of many to be infected by them.
The last users in our Galaxy lobotimised themselves and all other sentient creatures in order to stop its spread

Then there's the AIs that created it...

Golden Sabres wrote:

Henners91 wrote:The Borg.

Borg would be annihalated by IoM weaponry, unlike star trek ships, their weapons have no frequency, so therefore Borg Cubes CANNOT adapt to imperial weaponry and will be destoyed very quickly. I have already explained this in previous posts... the borg would be no challenge whatsoever to the IoM.

What if borg drones learned how to run?

Out of all the 'normal' ST races, the Borg have the best chance at actually defeating the IoM. But not conventionally.

They would have to infiltrate and subvert IoM ships using their assimilation technology/nanoprobes.

The only argument to be settled on this is to whether or not Borg get to ignore Void shields. If they do then IoM has a massive problem. If they don't....

Cheers

Andrew

Also,

Lance weaponry by its nature has a frequency, the Borg would adapt. A great big gun however......

The Borg could allow more autonomy for the drones to pose as Cult Mechanicus.

As Sniperjolly briefly mentioned, I think Isaac Asimov's Empire or the Foundation that follows it could feasibly take on the Imperium.

It is mentioned in the first of the Foundation series, when they discover an old, adrift Empire Cruiser that its weapons are powerful enough to damage or destroy a planet, so the Empire must have had some serious kick in its prime.

Additionally, once the Foundation starts getting up to speed, they actually have much better tech than this, the standard pistol sidearm is capable of vaporising a person instantly, but they even have personal shields that can absorb that kind of power, not bad really.

Given that both the Empire and Foundation are spread throughout the galaxy and contain around 25 million worlds, I'd be willing to bet a pretty large sum on them being a strong contender.

Just a few suggestions, I don't know masses about the other sci-fi universes but hey, shoot them down or encourage as you see fit:

- Orks (if united they can supposedly overwhelm anything)
- Tyranids (some see them as unstoppable)
- Chaos (?)
- The White Rabbit From Monty Python and the Holy Grail
- The Combine (from Half Life), god knows their actual power out-side that displayed in HL2. Probably too little known about their space-faring capacity to be relied upon though.
- John Mclaine (Die Hard)
- The Big Uglies From Farscape
- The Big Ugly From The 5th Element
- Robert Pattinson.

Ranking the ones I know of in order of killiness. PS means Post-Singularity:

The Top 5:
The Timelords
The "Jain" (PS) from the Polity Sequence by Neal Asher,
The Five Galaxies from the Uplift Universe by David Brin
The Q-Continuum (PS) from Star Trek
The Umbrathane/Heliothane from Cowl by Neal Asher

Not Quite Top But Able To Bugger With Physics:
The Culture (PS) from Ian M Banks The Culture series
The Polity from the Polity Sequence
Humanity (not PS) aligned with Eschaton (VERY PS) in the Eschaton Series by Charles Stross
The Vorlons (PS) from B5

Honourable Mentions:
Manfred's cat Aineko (PS to the max) from Accelerando by Charles Stross (WHAT THE FETH IS A CAT DOING WITH A HALTING-PROOF ORACLE?!)
The Shadows from B5 (I really wanted to put these guys up higher but they kinda lack the real reality warping power of the above and seem to be more dangerous because of their active aggression rather then unmaking existence.

The Non-Reality Buggering

Top 5:
The Republic(s) and Galactic Empire(s) from Star Wars
The Techno Mages from B5
The Borg from Star Trek
The Dominion from Star Trek
The Federation from Star Trek

Honourable Mentions:
The Earth Federation from Starship Troopers (think the Imperium, but without the Emperor Primarchs and Space Marines, but keeping the Catholic Space Nazi image as of the 3rd Movie)
The Humanity and the Lensmen from EE Doc Smith's pulp adventures, not sure if they're in this bracket or the scary one above, I do know that they've beaten the Tau when it comes to teching up, but I'm not sure if a few hundred Jedi's are that much of a threat.

AndrewC wrote:Out of all the 'normal' ST races, the Borg have the best chance at actually defeating the IoM. But not conventionally.

They would have to infiltrate and subvert IoM ships using their assimilation technology/nanoprobes.

The only argument to be settled on this is to whether or not Borg get to ignore Void shields. If they do then IoM has a massive problem. If they don't....

Cheers

Andrew

Also,

Lance weaponry by its nature has a frequency, the Borg would adapt. A great big gun however......

It doesn't,that's just ST crap.
Borg adaptation is limited,it's not going to protect you against teratons impacting the Borg Cube.Even if they board they'll get masacred by the troops inside the ship(I know that there are lot of chained crewman,but the Captain just shuts down life support from that deck).


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Eyclonus wrote:Top 5:
The Republic(s) and Galactic Empire(s) from Star Wars
The Techno Mages from B5
The Borg from Star Trek
The Dominion from Star Trek
The Federation from Star Trek

Never going to happen,ST and B5(except First Ones) are too weak to against IOM.
Star Wars would win beacuse of the Industrial and FTL capability(they have similiar firepower when compared to IOM,that means that they throw gigatons to teratons).