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Exactly - we're not talking about limiting one person to posting rumors, just have one user ride shotgun on them, and managing a "current rumors" thread, or something similar.

Maybe...

I would be nice to be able to go to one thread and find information on rumors and speculation.

Many threads just end up being personal arguments between two or three individual posters on esoteric points completely irrelevant to the original topic of the thread.

I can get through a lot of that through liberal use of the "Ignore" feature, but I don't think that should be necessary.

How old are the Dark Angels and Black Templar dexs ? I have a feeling they are not as old as the Tau, SOB/GK , and Necrons also that they just won't remake them and if they do it will be so far down the line none of us will even care anymore.. Also Chaos was mentioned i REALLY doubt this the new books isn't everything the previous dex was but i don't think this current one is going anywhere.


On a lighter note i really want my SOB new codex please show mercy Games Workshop

I do wonder if the release of the Tomb Stalker was some sort of test of interest for GW with regards to Necrons.

I play Necrons as my main army and they can still hold their own against anyone I have taken on, but it is like trying to steer an aging creaking ship through a rather nasty tropical storm. The sheer points cost of virtually every unit in the codex is outragous when compared with almost any other army. Outnumbered 2-1 by SM's anyone?

Anyway back on topic. If the DE sell well, and the Tomb Stalker has also shown good sales, I can definatley see the Crons getting a codex after the GK's in January. A few tweaks and Crons would be kings of 40k again and perhaps even end the mech dictatorship we live under at the moment, or at least give me the opportunity to join in with it

You're forgetting the massive lead time required to put out a codex. It needs to be written months before release, which means that the models need to done and photographed (or at least available in some form) even prior. Sculpting, playtesting, seting up the molds, etc. all add up to what I've heard is a 12-18 month lead time. Which means if Necrons are going to come out next summer, they've been working on them for almost a year already.

I have heard stories that some codices are delayed, or shelved, so maybe it's done and they'r ejust trying to pcik the best time to release it...

Well, most of the models are still looking good (Warriors, Wraiths, Destroyers, Monolith). A few new plastics (Immortals, Pariahs, Lord kit, Heavy Destroyers) would be welcome, but its mostly the codex that is hurting the Crons. No need for a massive DE total overhaul, more like a Space Marines codex release really. You could probably reasonably expect to sell a codex to most people who bought a Stalker so it comes back to my first post. I am pretty sure they must be sat on done on the shelf or nearing completion, their fates intwined with the DE's sales...

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Still angry that I predicted your "sources" to be wrong about the Dark Eldar battleforce this year?

What sources? I've told you time and time again that was my prediction, based simply upon the fact that it makes sense that we'll see one around Christmas time.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Most people in the know are not aware of any battle force release in the near future, certainly not this year.

Then they're full of crap. Everything I've heard points towards a battleforce release for the first wave, in November/December.

Calling Harry and Frgt/10 full of crap because of "everything you've heard" sounds like having other rumour sources, not idle speculation.

Kanluwen wrote:I just don't get the point of having one designated "rumor wrangler".

The point can't be to have just one thread with all rumours copypasted to it. The only useful thing might be to have one or several threads summarizing (with evaluation of trustworthyness) current GW rumours (which is hard work, not a copypaste job). And this summary can only be done by a single author in a locked thread with no discussion (requiring a special access to that thread/subforum). Don't expect too much tough, as e.g. release schedule speculation is something even the best rumour sources try to avoid and fail at once in a while. There are no rumours about December releases, Grey Knights were expected for 2nd half 2010, then January 2011 for a long time. One good source was very convinced of a Khemri release in November, there were several good rumours for a Necron release end of 2009 until Harry shot this rumour down. GW tries to keep all releases secret until the day of preorder and has fired many leaks.

So the main rumour mongering must be made in individual threads, a sticky can at best summarize some stuff and link to the respective thread. And this can only work for GW. I would like to see single new-release threads for all major non-GW companies here, like we have for Chapterhouse, Maxmini, Scibor or Micro Art (or even BL), but for Privateer Press, we still have one thread per miniature. If for major GW releases we have a thread with a summary in the first post, this summary should be done by someone with experience and enthusiasm for the respective release, not by always the same person.

I am still not sure how such rumour stickies should look like and what should be included, but if we find a usefull concept and the mods approve, I would be willing to put some work and effort into it.

MajorTom11 wrote:It would really impress the ladies dude!

BTW can Lunahound confirm this?

Ick, she's under age.

Kroot, you are the man. Absolutely right on all points. A thread or section of threads, locked to only picks and summarized rumors, not discussions thereoff, will be massively helpful if only to help people get to the good stuff instead of making a 2.5 hour commitment to wade through 60 pages of crap to get to the point.

Frankly, everyone here should be extremely grateful you are willing to put in a not inconsiderable amount of time and work for our benefit out of the kindness of your heart and nothing else. I think it's great, and support you and Alphy 100% as the right people to take it on.

Cheers mate!


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p.s i can ask. BrookM, Ilfana and Mistress of mini's are the only other ladies on the boards as far as I know, so we could ask them too if Luna is too young!

I'm pretty sure it will impress THOSE ladies at the very least though! lol

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Still angry that I predicted your "sources" to be wrong about the Dark Eldar battleforce this year?

What sources? I've told you time and time again that was my prediction, based simply upon the fact that it makes sense that we'll see one around Christmas time.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Most people in the know are not aware of any battle force release in the near future, certainly not this year.

Then they're full of crap. Everything I've heard points towards a battleforce release for the first wave, in November/December.

Calling Harry and Frgt/10 full of crap because of "everything you've heard" sounds like having other rumour sources, not idle speculation.

Then let's clear this up now.
"Everything I've heard" was a reference to "Everything I've heard from GW staff who I came into contact with during my time working at a FLGS managing the inventory, and especially in regards to how GW normally managed their releases and the timing of battleforces/battalions being added to the inventory order forms".
Dark Eldar could, very likely, be an aberration in the fact that the entire line-up is being redone and they're going to milk the individual boxed set sales as much as they can before releasing a battleforce.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I just don't get the point of having one designated "rumor wrangler".

The point can't be to have just one thread with all rumours copypasted to it.

We are definitely in agreement there.

Kroothawk wrote:The only useful thing might be to have one or several threads summarizing (with evaluation of trustworthyness) current GW rumours (which is hard work, not a copypaste job). And this summary can only be done by a single author in a locked thread with no discussion (requiring a special access to that thread/subforum).

I'm in agreement there too. I wouldn't restrict it to a single poster though. Just make it so that you're required to, for all intents and purposes, write up a lengthy post including the site where you got the rumor from, that site's poster who put up the rumor, etc.
Give the author the ability to remove posts or maybe even the ability to edit others' posts as more information crops up.

Kroothawk wrote:Don't expect too much though, as e.g. release schedule speculation is something even the best rumour sources try to avoid and fail at once in a while. There are no rumours about December releases, Grey Knights were expected for 2nd half 2010, then January 2011 for a long time. One good source was very convinced of a Khemri release in November, there were several good rumours for a Necron release end of 2009 until Harry shot this rumour down. GW tries to keep all releases secret until the day of preorder and has fired many leaks.
So the main rumour mongering must be made in individual threads, a sticky can at best summarize some stuff and link to the respective thread. And this can only work for GW. I would like to see single new-release threads for all major non-GW companies here, like we have for Chapterhouse, Maxmini, Scibor or Micro Art (or even BL), but for Privateer Press, we still have one thread per miniature. If for major GW releases we have a thread with a summary in the first post, this summary should be done by someone with experience and enthusiasm for the respective release, not by always the same person.

In agreement again.

Kroothawk wrote:
I am still not sure how such rumour stickies should look like and what should be included, but if we find a useful concept and the mods approve, I would be willing to put some work and effort into it.

The rumour stickies and how they'd be set up is a tricky one, isn't it?

One person or not isn't up to you, or even a particular point dude. We all seem to agree Kroot should be part of it in some way major to minor, and anything else is a debate derailing the positive steps made in this post.

Let's focus on getting something done here, and not argue minutiae we have no say in anyways. BTW for the record here I am not saying I agree nor disagree with you on the 'more than one' thing, it doesn't really bother me either way but I'm sure Kroot would be grateful for the help.

Let's just not go back to that over and over, nor the who has sources things. There is an issue that is potentially being addressed here, to all our benefit, let's just be glad of that no?

MajorTom11 wrote:
p.s i can ask. BrookM, Ilfana and Mistress of mini's are the only other ladies on the boards as far as I know, so we could ask them too if Luna is too young!

I'm pretty sure it will impress THOSE ladies at the very least though! lol

Hang on a sec... BrookM's a girl?!

Brook? Picture of a chick? :S

Kanluwen wrote:The rumour stickies and how they'd be set up is a tricky one, isn't it?

No, it isn't tricky at all. Locked sticky thread with title "40K Rumors" Last Updated xyz. This thread has all the 40K rumors consolidated in 1 easy to find location. No discussion needed as the original post of the rumors has the discussion already.

Edit:
Actually, it doesn't even need to be locked. Discuss all ya want. The fact of the matter is all of the rumors will be in the first post, not somewhere between pg3 and pg 37.

MajorTom11 wrote:Brook? Picture of a chick? :S

Hmm... plenty of male dakkaites have female avatars e.g. JohnHwangDD. Anyway let's not digress too much

Flashman wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:
p.s i can ask. BrookM, Ilfana and Mistress of mini's are the only other ladies on the boards as far as I know, so we could ask them too if Luna is too young!

I'm pretty sure it will impress THOSE ladies at the very least though! lol

Hang on a sec... BrookM's a girl?!

Don't think so

BrookM wrote:
Interests: Boobs, games, books and warm beds

Could be one of those girls...

Polonius wrote: Which means if Necrons are going to come out next summer, they've been working on them for almost a year already.

The rest of this post was good as well.

Work, quite a considerable amount AFAIK, has indeed been done/ongoing with regards to the Necrons for some time indeed.

Still Grey knights before them IMO.

BrookM is both male and ruggedly handsome. He could kill you with his bare hands.

reds8n wrote: He could kill you with his bare hands.

That's not lady-like at all, so he is out

Sorry BrookM :S

Not the last gender confusion on Dakka, I expect. We should all wear signs

If it helps anybody, I'm anatomically male, and I self identify as such.

I also sport the peen lol

Flashman wrote:Grey Knights

GW Design Team - "Now that we've just done one of our best Xenos releases of all time, what new and exciting projects shall we line up next?"
GW Management - "Wait a sec, it's been nearly 12 months since we've done a Space Marine release. Gah! We're in danger of losing our core 12 year old market. Get some new models out quick. Which ones? Er... have we done the blue guys recently? Yes? What about the red fellas? Only last year? Bother! Oh do the silver chaps then and make sure they look really cool so we can justify charging £35 for a box of five."

this post made my funny...

The thing I find so funny about when people complain about "All the marine codexes" they forget that the fundamental split of 40k armies is GEq and MEq(Marine equivilant). While the current trend has been a Marine/Non-Marine whos to say the order won't go GK-Tau-Necron-Sisters (putting Necron as a MEq army, which I have personally seen it as). The point being, there hasn't been a MEq army yet released that wasn't "Marines" (Granted, there are only really 2 armies that fit that bill, so it makes sense...) who's to say the pattern isn't "lets trade off between army types to keep from flooding either GEq or MEq armies?" (Sadly, with the current power of two of the 3 marine dexes (argueable 3of3) that flood does exist)?

Just my 2 cents.

Also, side note: I toss my vote in with Kroothawk doing the "rumor madness" thread and being given a custom title of "Keeper of Secrets"

~DAR

Polonius wrote:If it helps anybody, I'm anatomically male, and I self identify as such.

If it helps anybody, in real life I don't eat my enemies, well, not all anyways, even if my Avatar suggests otherwise

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:The thing I find so funny about when people complain about "All the marine codexes" they forget that the fundamental split of 40k armies is GEq and MEq(Marine equivilant). While the current trend has been a Marine/Non-Marine whos to say the order won't go GK-Tau-Necron-Sisters (putting Necron as a MEq army, which I have personally seen it as). The point being, there hasn't been a MEq army yet released that wasn't "Marines" (Granted, there are only really 2 armies that fit that bill, so it makes sense...) who's to say the pattern isn't "lets trade off between army types to keep from flooding either GEq or MEq armies?" (Sadly, with the current power of two of the 3 marine dexes (argueable 3of3) that flood does exist)?

Just my 2 cents.

Also, side note: I toss my vote in with Kroothawk doing the "rumor madness" thread and being given a custom title of "Keeper of Secrets"

~DAR

Don't think, my kindred would approve that title
Anyway, the Demonhunter Codex is 3rd edition, 7.5 years old, and deserves an update, powerarmour or not.

BTW, the development of a new Codex takes at least 3 years, 2 years alone for the plastic sprues. The DE Codex was special and took 6 years from start to finish.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:custom title of "Keeper of Secrets"

That's a cool idea.

1. There's no need for a 6th edition, as 5th edition still feels very young and the new books play well together. The rules are also leaps and bounds better than the previous two (and-a-half) editions, with far fewer bugs. No Tyranid puns, please.

2. Grey Knights are absolutely next. I know this for a fact. Necrons will be the next Xenos, and then likely Sisters, or another Imperial release to follow. Whichever books were first or last in the previous edition will have no bearing on which books come down the road, or in which order they will appear. ie: Chaos and Orks won't necessarily follow the "catch up" releases. Besides, both books offer a lot of variety and are still largely competitive in the tournament scene. Don't give me the Legions crap, as Chaos just so happens to be getting a different treatment. The main book was meant to be like Codex Space Marines; the vanilla rules for generic forces, with a few specials thrown in. Basically, it's Abaddon's army. If they do Legion releases, they will test the water for popularity, and then set them up like the Chapter Codexes for Space Marines. At least, this is what the head honchos in the S&M team have said (to me). All theory at this point, however, and I'm not confirming that this is in any way in progress.

3. If all holds as expected, it should look like this for 2011, if we're lucky (Fantasy releases in italics, if anyone actually cares):

February/March: Orcs & Goblins
April/May: Grey Knights
June/July: Tomb Kings
August/September: Necrons
[/i]October: unknown, perhaps another Fantasy release (Dwarfs, Empire, Bretonnia???)[/i]
November/December: Sisters

Keep in mind that GW rarely sticks to their release schedule, and they rarely release 3 armies for both systems in one year. Most often it's two, with some alternative summer release like a campaign, or the rumored "Summer of Flyers" release which will feature 7 large flyer kits for various 40k armies. Included will be 2 for Dark Eldar, 1 for Tyranids, 1 for Space Marines/Blood Angels/Grey Knights, etc.

brassangel wrote:June/July: Tomb Kings
August/September: Necrons

Something tells me GW isn't going to devote four consecutive months to Tomb Kings and Tomb Kings IN SPACE.

We just had Elves and Elves in Space... allbeit Evil Elves in Space

Flashman wrote:We just had Elves and Elves in Space... allbeit Evil Elves in Space

Point of fact:
We did not "just have Elves".
That implies an Army Book release for High Elves, which was not so. It was some models, and Skaven got the same treatment.