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Strider - the one backed up by the rules, not the one ignoring that in this case unit == model.

All you are doing with this argument is arguing that Corbulo only gets FnP when he's joined another unit by RaW (and you may well have a point there, probably one for the fun list of RaW).

Corbulo the model is not the same as Corbulo's unit. Whilst at times the unit will only consist of Corbulo at others it will not.

When he is by himself he is COrbulo the unit AND Corbulo the model. The two are congruent.

THe fact his FNP is conferred on him shows your assertion that models cannot be friendly to themselves is incorrect.

Edit: the word you are missing there is "always". I never said they were *always* the same, just that, by himself, they *are* the same. Meaning that, in that instance, model and unit are equivalent terms.

Which is all that is needed to show that he is friendly to himself.

When he is by himself he is COrbulo the unit AND Corbulo the model. The two are congruent.

THe fact his FNP is conferred on him shows your assertion that models cannot be friendly to themselves is incorrect.

Edit: the word you are missing there is "always". I never said they were *always* the same, just that, by himself, they *are* the same. Meaning that, in that instance, model and unit are equivalent terms.

Which is all that is needed to show that he is friendly to himself.

But that doesn't show that he is friendly to himself all that shows is that unless he joins another unit he does not get FnP...

Huh? No, it really doesnt.

He gains FNP from himself, and is a friendly unit AND model.

You can be friendly towards yourself. end of.

If you're friendly to yourself, do you also count as a member of your own unit? (for things which affect "members of your unit")

Yes. Tyranid Hive Tyrants confer Preferred Enemy in a 6" radius with an upgrade ability. They themselves are friendly to themselves and gain the preferred enemy bonus as well. Same goes for a Tervigon casting catalyst on itself. A friendly unit within 12" can be the unit itself casting the power.

it would be funny fighting a kan wall where all the kans have modeled walls in frount of their legs

nosferatu1001 wrote:Huh? No, it really doesnt.

He gains FNP from himself, and is a friendly unit AND model.

You can be friendly towards yourself. end of.

I suspect that most guys on this site are friendly with themselves. Maybe too friendly.

Vrakk wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Huh? No, it really doesnt.

He gains FNP from himself, and is a friendly unit AND model.

You can be friendly towards yourself. end of.

I suspect that most guys on this site are friendly with themselves. Maybe too friendly.

Yikes....

Friendly with myself and my husband....

FlingitNow wrote:

When he is by himself he is COrbulo the unit AND Corbulo the model. The two are congruent.

THe fact his FNP is conferred on him shows your assertion that models cannot be friendly to themselves is incorrect.

Edit: the word you are missing there is "always". I never said they were *always* the same, just that, by himself, they *are* the same. Meaning that, in that instance, model and unit are equivalent terms.

Which is all that is needed to show that he is friendly to himself.

But that doesn't show that he is friendly to himself all that shows is that unless he joins another unit he does not get FnP...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Huh? No, it really doesnt.

He gains FNP from himself, and is a friendly unit AND model.

You can be friendly towards yourself. end of.

If both of you make sense, I cant tell which is right now.

Here's the thing though, this entire argument is irrelevant as it ends in the same game effect:

Case 1) The vehicle is friendly to itself, the FAQ states that this can be ignored for the purpose of its template weapon.

Case 2) The vehicle is not friendly to itself, therefore there is no restriction on placing the template over itself. Feel free to roll the Str 5 hit against the vehicle's front armour.

Fearspect wrote:Feel free to roll the Str 5 hit against the vehicle's front armour.

Which is 11 on rhinoes...