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Fafnir wrote:Well, you have to remember, when you break it down to the pure basics, Games Workshop is a toy company that wants to sell toys. Children are the largest consumers of toys. In order to market to children, you must make content that is not objectionable to their parents (well, not necessarily true, since the kids seem to love GTA...).

Except that children have NO MONEYS... which is a clincher... and raises the question "Why so bloody expensive?"

Pyro-Druid wrote:Oh I see that's why my Eldar disappear so quickly. It's not that they're killed it's just that one gets hurt and 3-4 others carry him to the medic (after all we're a dieing race we need to take as much care of the others as we can, not to mention their week little arms means they need more people to carry one person).

Thanks that makes me feel alot better now and clears up some questions.

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Fafnir wrote:Well, you have to remember, when you break it down to the pure basics, Games Workshop is a toy company that wants to sell toys. Children are the largest consumers of toys. In order to market to children, you must make content that is not objectionable to their parents (well, not necessarily true, since the kids seem to love GTA...).

Except that children have NO MONEYS... which is a clincher... and raises the question "Why so bloody expensive?"

Quick! Someone tell the film, toy, food, videogame and fashion industries that children don't have any money before they waste decades advertising to them!

Why so expensive? Seems like GW is behaving like Apple....if you only sell an expensive product then with enough demand people will buy the expensive product.

Augustus wrote:They're not undead anymore, they're "Life Challenged".

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They got rid of the Firmir because they weren't kid friendly reproducing by rape etc....

the Firmir?


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Ok just found out they were raep monsterz lolz

Thanks internet!

Yeah, i see what you mean about the demons, but i have to disagree on the whole 'less dead' thing. To be honest, seriously wounded is just as bad of an image as dead, maybe even worse and GW managers will intoduce death and other violent images into their introductory games for kids. I don't think they're trying to make it less violent so more kids will play, if the kid doesn't like violence then a wargame is probably not the best hobby for him.

On the other hand, what kid doesn't like violence? With the exception of super sheltered kids, ie me when I was one, violent images aren't exactly scarce in this society and are often visual and audible in nature via movies and games. I mean I know its not on the scale of what I imagine but its a lot more than what i was thinking when i was that age (emperor damnit, i sound like an old fart now. Lil' whippersnappers)

Luco wrote:On the other hand, what kid doesn't like violence? With the exception of super sheltered kids, ie me when I was one, violent images aren't exactly scarce in this society and are often visual and audible in nature via movies and games. I mean I know its not on the scale of what I imagine but its a lot more than what i was thinking when i was that age (emperor damnit, i sound like an old fart now. Lil' whippersnappers)

This is the funny thing. The that idea of battles as an orgy of ultraviolence full of piles of corpses is part of the juvenile male aesthetic. And it’s called the juvenile male aesthetic for a reason – because young boys love that kind of stuff.

The idea that pointing out that most people taken out of the fight aren’t actually killed is just recognising reality. Complaining that its kiddifying the game to do so is crazy.

Well one can follow the progression of the 40k rulebook covers and definitely see the violence de emphasized there:

Blood, Being Hit, Burned, Wounded, Dead, Skulls

NO BLOOD, Being Hit, Burned, Wounded, Dead, Skulls

NO BLOOD, No HITS, NO BURNED, NO WOUNDED, NO DEAD, Skull Only?

Even the Skull is gone and the battle is some vague red border suitable for a scrap book.

Especially with regard to wounded and dead models. The explicit depictions are very much tamer in the more recent art.

Maybe the skulls all left the print and moved to the models!

Captain Solon wrote:

Augustus wrote:They're not undead anymore, they're "Life Challenged".

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Glad you enjoyed! Thanks!

Augustus wrote:Even the Skull is gone and the battle is some vague red border suitable for a scrap book.

Especially with regard to wounded and dead models. The explicit depictions are very much tamer in the more recent art.

Maybe the skulls all left the print and moved to the models!

So having less skulls is proof they're making it less gory. Except when they start putting more skulls on the models, in which case we ignore that because it doesn't suit the narrative we like about it being a less gory hobby.

And so the narrative feeds itself.

its because of all of the little kids who are back of the bus and stuff

sebster wrote:

Augustus wrote:Even the Skull is gone and the battle is some vague red border suitable for a scrap book.

Especially with regard to wounded and dead models. The explicit depictions are very much tamer in the more recent art.

Maybe the skulls all left the print and moved to the models!

So having less skulls is proof they're making it less gory. Except when they start putting more skulls on the models, in which case we ignore that because it doesn't suit the narrative we like about it being a less gory hobby.

And so the narrative feeds itself.

Or maybe for a little joke?