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That Alpharius is old and needs his Alzheimer's medication.

Because he's old.



Anyways, I have a hard time believing we'd see those kinds of Terminators being produced exclusively for here. They'd have been done before now, if they were going to be done.

2nd ed wargear book? I have it right here...
"Tactical Dreadnaught armour or Terminator armour, as it is more commonly known, is without doubt the toughest personal armour in the galaxy. The armour is massively bulky and contains a full exo-skeleton arrangement of fiber bundles and adamantium rods to support the heavy gauge plasteel and ceramite plates that form the outer carapace. The Adeptus Mechanicus has designed a number of particularly devastating weapons to be used in conjunction with Terminator armour including storm bolters, heavy flamers, assault cannon, and the deadly cyclone missile launcher. Terminator suits are valuable and often very old so they are reserved for use by proven veterans of the already highly trained Imperial Space Marine chapters"

No mention that it's lost technology. I skipped the technical stuff about armor saves and stuff (tired of typing) but that's all of the fluff

Hmm, why did I come in here thinking this thread was about a Terminator themed Lunchbox?

In other news, nice mini, still not sold on the name change though. I hope most folks are still planning on calling them 'Space Sharks' if they get em.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:In other news, nice mini, still not sold on the name change though. I hope most folks are still planning on calling them 'Space Sharks' if they get em.

As someone who played Space Sharks "before they were cool" (can I say that now?), the name change is nonexistent in my eyes. As for people who are just picking them up, I can't say. Actually, I wonder how many people are going to start playing them without even knowing that they were first called Space Sharks.

Hi, would anyone be able to tell me were to find these pics on the GW site. I'm building a raptor legion force and I'd like to see thier take on it as official pics are rare on the ground. I've had a look and cant seem to find them, the GW site is painful to navigate.
Cheers

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=14700020a

Having checked in 2nd Ed-era Angels of Death codex, it does mention "much of the technology to build terminator has been lost".

"Much" but not "All"!

So, while it remains difficult and time consuming, it is still possible!

Carcharodons...apparently founded shortly after the Heresy.

Possibly made up of loyalists from the Traitor Legions, ala Garro?

Armour is certainly close to his as per Garro, Oath of Moment...

Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Alpharius wrote:"Much" but not "All"!

So, while it remains difficult and time consuming, it is still possible!

Yeah, the "much" part is important, so it's not completely gone, but still pretty rare, even for the Astartes.

I remember an old comic where terminators in space hulks would be teleported back after the mission, regardless of the "status" of the wearer, so unless the damage was really severe, each suit has probably been repaired... a few times.

The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Not really - they were more like monstrously mutated things, the result of Corax's attempts at cloning Astartes replacements after the Dropsite Massacre.

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Or retcon. I don't believe it's ever actually stated that they're from the monsters, but it's the implication.

Interesting that they have been confirmed to raven guard geneseed, wouldn't have connected it like that myself, but I quite like it, brings some of the less featured ones to the fore.

The issue I see there is the end of Corax story, before he left he took the duty to end their misery to himself.Each of them.

So either we get "only slightly flawed ones were granted to live" as 'new' fluff, or we get a really murky background where 'experiments barely able to hold a boltgun'
are a valid source of a space marine chapter and the flawed geneseed works for almost 10 millenia...

I for one would prefer a more believable history of the charcharodons(incorrect surely..)/space sharks, but still welcome them into the ranks of the sons of Corax.

Sarrazon wrote:Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Now that's a stupid thing to even hint at in IA10!

Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the guilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

So, really - bad idea.

Doubly so when you read about just how savage and out of control they really were.

Ok folks: new Carcharodons symbol, or classic Space Sharks?

(For the uninformed)

Space sharks FTW!

Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

johnstewartjohn wrote:Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

That was what I thought, too. I do like the look of those models, although they do seem rather uniformly posed, a bit more variety would be nice.

I'll go along with that - Old Name and New Symbol.

Because really, that old Chapter Badge?

Silly.

Well seen as forge world are bringing back old chapters.Think they will ever bring back the rainbow warriors?

I very much prefer the new name.

But then again, I'd also lean towards renaming the Space Wolves "Wolves of Fenris".

Alpharius wrote:Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the quilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

That's one hell of a quilt, Alpharius.....

I know it's just a typo, but it amused me.

(Abuse of power? No way!)

Yes, it was a heavy burden to have to bear...

johnstewartjohn wrote:Like the new symbol. However i don't see the reason for the name change, are space sharks any sillier than space wolves?

I am leaning toward calling Space Wolves "The Rout" from now on.

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Alpharius wrote:Not really - they were more like monstrously mutated things, the result of Corax's attempts at cloning Astartes replacements after the Dropsite Massacre.

Sarrazon wrote:

1hadhq wrote:The monsters Corax dispatched himself after the Heresy?
Undead?

Or retcon. I don't believe it's ever actually stated that they're from the monsters, but it's the implication.

1hadhq wrote:The issue I see there is the end of Corax story, before he left he took the duty to end their misery to himself.Each of them.

So either we get "only slightly flawed ones were granted to live" as 'new' fluff, or we get a really murky background where 'experiments barely able to hold a boltgun'
are a valid source of a space marine chapter and the flawed geneseed works for almost 10 millenia...

I for one would prefer a more believable history of the charcharodons(incorrect surely..)/space sharks, but still welcome them into the ranks of the sons of Corax.

Alpharius wrote:

Sarrazon wrote:Apparently the implication in IA10 is that they're founded from the monsters that Corax created.

Now that's a stupid thing to even hint at in IA10!

Corax put them all down himself, and then headed off to the Eye of Terror because of the guilt he felt, and quite possibly also the need to Revenge Himself on the Traitors that, more or less, 'caused' them to happen...

So, really - bad idea.

Doubly so when you read about just how savage and out of control they really were.

I can clear this lot up- It isn't gonna happen. I was going to post this when it was firt mentioned, but we had a powercut and the router turned off.
a) The inquisition would be on them in a matter of seconds.
b) Corax executed/put down each one.
c) They wouldn't give them permission to use thier flawed geneseed.
so, yeah. I think it'd be really cool to be a raven guard sucessor, but IA8 was about raven guard, they've probably gone off to focus on other chapters now.

Corax's legion nearly got wiped out at istvaan, he went back to deliverence with his survivors- under 4% survived. He then used forbidden gene-acceleration to make astartes a lot quicker, but this lead to monsters. They then used them breifly in battle, once herding them ahead to smash an iron warriors fortress. He agreed with the codex astertes and made 3 sucessor chapter- the revilers, raptors and black guard. There are other suspected sucessors, but no others have been confirmed. Corax then killed each monster, locked himself in the highest room of ravenspire, came out a year later saying "nevermore" and departed into the eye of terror.
Just a quick summary as t what happened to the raven guard during the heresy.

I liked most of the armies, especially the pre-heresy stuff- that always looks cool. I found the minotaurs a little uninspiring though.

I really want to see those lightning claws as a conversion kit. I would scoop those up for sure!
Also I would LOVE to see some oldstyle terminator armour!