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BrassScorpion wrote:No, because several major components of the torso are only supplied once. Only the differing fronts are redundant.

Yep so unless there is a way to magnetize the front your stuck with picking one

Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.

I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a

abatha wrote:anyone else notice how the battleforce would be slightly worse value compared to the regular marine one if it were the same price, but its actually 8.50 more.

on your marks, get set.. . .. terrible

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Stormraven for $66 is about what I expected. I expected for it to be near the LR price. $44.50 for the Dread is nice. I was wondering if it would be more expensive than the Ironclad. Nice that you get 3 variants out of the box for the same price.

Death Company Dread looks really cool! and cant wait to get a storm raven, even if it does not end up as all marines i will still paint one up for my da as it will be cool scenery and the conversion/canibalisation value will be quite good by the look of the sprues.

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Death Company Dread looks really cool! and cant wait to get a storm raven, even if it does not end up as all marines i will still paint one up for my da as it will be cool scenery and the conversion/canibalisation value will be quite good by the look of the sprues.

Agreed. I'll do one Stormraven for Grey Knights and maybe one for my custom chapter too. I was thinking of adding some BA only units to my SM army so I could run it as BA once in a while just for the fun of using the BA models, albeit with my own chapter paint scheme. Maybe my DA will get one too because it looks cool.

Cnevets wrote:It just looks like a Rhino and a Valkyrie had a baby w/ down syndrome -_-

Do you hav to try to be this offensive or does it come naturally?

BrassScorpion wrote:

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).

It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.

Hmm, the idea that the contents were "useless" was not explicitly stated in the original post. I thought it was a complaint about price and how much one gets. Guess my Librarian psychic abilities aren't working well today.

Is that captain leonis mini a new one?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=2&aId=13700028a&start=3

inbetween the termies and dreads?

Not really sold to be honest. The heads on the Dreads are way too small. I like the weapon arms but would get these and wack em' on a FW dread. A skull like the one on the FW Chaplin Dread would have worked way better for the Death Company one...

puma713 wrote:
If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house.

Quotes like this make sad panda sad...

I rememebr the good 'ol days when the BA fluff talked about how they had a curse, but that they tried to hide it and function like a codex chapter for the most part with actual tac squads and everything...

It used to be fluff>powergaming.

Sorry panda those days are gone...

BrassScorpion wrote:

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Its a shame they dont have the new dread model in there, or a razorback.

A better battlefore would be something like

Assault Squad
Death Company
Razorback
Furioso Dread

$100 or $110

Battleforces contain things that people generally use in quantity so they'll maybe buy more than one. That often means they are heavy on Troop choices and basic transports. As one long-time hobbyist I know likes to say, "you can always use more Space Marines". And I've found him to be correct, somewhere along the way you always end up working on more of the little buggers. I've learned that if someone waves more of them under your nose at the right price to snap them up, they'll come in handy and if not you can always trade them and get their value back.

BrassScorpion wrote: I thought it was a complaint about price and how much one gets.

Well that is directly related to how well a gamer can use the contents. It establishes the value of the box and then you determine if the asking price is worth the value.

Just plain mathhammer, yes, the box is worth every penny. But value-wise, I'm not so sure. I've yet to see a Tac squad and rhino heavy BA list. Now, if there was a Razorback instead of a Rhino and 10 assault marines with no Tac Squad, the price would be almost the same but the value (imo) would be much greater.

Calibanite Lion wrote:Is that captain leonis mini a new one?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=2&aId=13700028a&start=3

inbetween the termies and dreads?

Wild, shot in the dark:

It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.

God No would a better battleforce include a Razorback. In that case you may as well sell one that includes four and no infantry. Would the existing battleforce does is provide a good set of units that sticks to the background.

puma713 wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

$100 for 5 Death Company, 5 Assault Marines, a Rhino and a Tac Squad. Dunno about that.

Huh? $100 may not be cheap, but it's $32.75 cheaper than buying the contents at list price separately. If I was starting a BA army I'd be happy to see that bundle deal, quite happy.

Sure. And I could buy oranges at 1 cent each, but doesn't mean I'm going to eat them. Just because it's a good deal, doesn't mean you should buy it. If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house. (Suppose I could make them into Assault marines without jump packs - but that would predicate the box coming with enough bolt pistols and chainswords to make 15 assault marines and 5 death company).

It's like buying groceries that you don't need because you have a coupon for them.

Personally, although I'm no powergamer, if I was starting BA I'd likely buy at least one of those battleforces. I like Tac squads and I feel they'd do a good job of supporting the assault units and cowering on objectives.

CT GAMER wrote:

puma713 wrote:
If you run Tac Squads in your BA list or if you need some extra marines, then by all means, fork over the dough. They would sit on the shelves at my house.

Quotes like this make sad panda sad...

I rememebr the good 'ol days when the BA fluff talked about how they had a curse, but that they tried to hide it and function like a codex chapter for the most part with actual tac squads and everything...

It used to be fluff>powergaming.

Sorry panda those days are gone...

It makes me a powergamer because Assault Squads are the more sound choice than Tactical squads in a fast-moving, assault-oriented army? I enjoy fluff as much as the next person (in fact, a lot of my lists have backstories and fluffy names), but if you give me a unit that can function similarly or better at a cheaper cost, then I'm probably going to field them. It doesn't make me a powergamer. It just makes me a gamer.

Edit: Another thing - just because you take optimized units does not mean you don't appreciate or enjoy fluff. Fluff does not equate to purposefully taking poor lists. If you don't want to take Tac squads, don't take them, but come up with a fluffy reason why not. Don't take Tac squads to be fluffy, build fluff around your other choices. After all, we gamers didn't create the point values and wargear choices - GW did.

inzeos wrote:

Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.

I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a

they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?

Kanluwen wrote:

Calibanite Lion wrote:Is that captain leonis mini a new one?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=2&aId=13700028a&start=3

inbetween the termies and dreads?

Wild, shot in the dark:

It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.

the helmet and sword are also from the sanguinary guard set. they had a daily article a few months back IIRC about converting heroes and this guy was on of the models in the spotlight. he's not a new character, just a cool kitbash.

Go flying brick chicken! Go!

abatha wrote:

inzeos wrote:

Using the versatility of these assault craft, the Blood Angels can redeploy small forces from combat zone to combat zone with a swiftness that even fellow Space Marine Chapters struggle to match.

I wonder if this means that we won't be seeing the rumored FAQ changes to allow Stormraven in other marine lists.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=13700028a

they surely will allow it eventually, the crusader was supposedly a purely BT thing but then everyone wanted them, might take a while tho, for friendly battles tho i certainly wouldnt begrudge an opponent a DA stormraven for example.. providing said someone brings along the rules (which cunningly aren't on the store site). from a fluff point of view surely blood angels dont have a greater well of resources than say marneus calgar and his little empire?

from the very beginning, all marine chapters could use the crusader, albeit in a limited fashion. BTs (and i can't recall if salamanders got it in abundance as they also had a sublist in codex armageddon) could take crusaders as a heavy choice (so 0-3) while other chapters were limited to 0-1 crusaders. i suspect they'll do the same thing here until 6th edition comes out (invariably with a new marine codex with no restrictions on it).

That Captain is the one the featured in the Blood Angels WD issue #363. Page 91, in the Eavy' Metal area. It is just a kitbash of kits.

Personally I'm all over the Dread kit. I have something like 8-9 unassembled Dreads in a box just waiting for this kit. So I'm loving all the extra front plates in the new kit.

He is also pictured in the BA codex,pg 66 center. The power weapon is from the DC kit.

Cnevets wrote:It just looks like a Rhino and a Valkyrie had a baby w/ down syndrome -_-

Sorry, but I had to do this.

+1, confirm kitbash -

I too am the farthest thing away from a Power Gamer. I have a gaming circle of about 4-5 people really and play casual for fun only. That being said I like to own one of each model my codex can use and then every game switch up the list so I play with something different. Had I the option to buy that Battle Force a year ago when I got back into the hobby I would have gladly done it for getting 4 different unit / models in one go rather then buying each one individually *Which I did of course*. It makes a great core of guys to start playing games with that still has some good BA fluff aka Death Company / Assault marines.

The way I see it Battle Forces are made to do two things, get new players into the game, and help support older players with a boost of models for good price. I don't typically see them as being hey this is the most powerful unit go buy 3 of these boxes for your latest Tourney Spam.

Pyronick wrote:I too am the farthest thing away from a Power Gamer. I have a gaming circle of about 4-5 people really and play casual for fun only. That being said I like to own one of each model my codex can use and then every game switch up the list so I play with something different. Had I the option to buy that Battle Force a year ago when I got back into the hobby I would have gladly done it for getting 4 different unit / models in one go rather then buying each one individually *Which I did of course*. It makes a great core of guys to start playing games with that still has some good BA fluff aka Death Company / Assault marines.

The way I see it Battle Forces are made to do two things, get new players into the game, and help support older players with a boost of models for good price. I don't typically see them as being hey this is the most powerful unit go buy 3 of these boxes for your latest Tourney Spam.

Yeah, I suppose it is a sound financial model. When the new player buys a battleforce, realizes he's only going to really use a couple units out of it after playing a few games and then realizes he has to go buy more boxes to actually field the army he wants, then GW wins.

Why do you only field a few units there? Am I truely the only person who plays with Death company and 1 Tac squad? I don't use them every single game but a little variety never hurts either. Yawnfest 2011 over at the 4 Assault squad guys table.

warboss wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Calibanite Lion wrote:Is that captain leonis mini a new one?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&pageMode=multi&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=2&aId=13700028a&start=3

inbetween the termies and dreads?

Wild, shot in the dark:

It looks like it's kitbashed from a Sanguinary Guard front torso, backpack and cloaked rear torso from the Space Marine Commander kit,Death Company legs, and the helmet/sword I don't recognize.

the helmet and sword are also from the sanguinary guard set. they had a daily article a few months back IIRC about converting heroes and this guy was on of the models in the spotlight. he's not a new character, just a cool kitbash.

cool, ill have to see if i can dig out the article thanks.

Pyronick wrote:Why do you only field a few units there? Am I truely the only person who plays with Death company and 1 Tac squad? I don't use them every single game but a little variety never hurts either. Yawnfest 2011 over at the 4 Assault squad guys table.

Dunno, I guess I'm bitter about battleforces. I don't even play Blood Angels.