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He also had skin whiter than imperail marble and completly black eyes, he disagreed with horus after corax was asked to help the luna wolves many times in the great crusade, his tactics were legendery during the great crusade.

moonshine wrote:He also had skin whiter than imperail marble and completly black eyes, he disagreed with horus after corax was asked to help the luna wolves many times in the great crusade, his tactics were legendery during the great crusade.

is that black eyes completely or black irises?

completelly black, some raven guard also have completly black eyes. Do you think it would be a good idea to paint the eyes on my raven guard completly black?, I might paint eyes on veteran helmets black or the eyes on every space marine helmet aswell

moonshine wrote:completelly black, some raven guard also have completly black eyes. Do you think it would be a good idea to paint the eyes on my raven guard completly black?, I might paint eyes on veteran helmets black or the eyes on every space marine helmet aswell

well, veterans have white helmets, so black on there is a good idea. black lenses on black helmets? Not so much.
Can you post a link of the site that says this? I'd like to read into it more.
I might have to re-do a few of my raven guard now...
namely my chapter master, scout sergeant and a couple of veterans.

it is in the first heretic, it describes corax alot and it says corax had black eyes. Here is the site that says some raven guard have black eyes http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=316 more specifically it says Even further degeneration in the gene-seed has caused several of the implants to fail, the Betcher’s Gland and Mucranoid no longer exist within the gene-seed of the Raven Guard, and other defects cause recruits to over time have their skin become paler until it is as white as their Primarch’s, and the eyes and hair of the Astartes will eventually become a deep black.

Kanluwen wrote:Still didn't use one!

Kanluwen wrote:Corax didn't use a jump pack

the bolter and chainsword wrote:The Primarch of the Raven Guard was a taciturn and subtle warrior but a warrior nonetheless and during the Battle for Istvaan V Corax assumed a terrible and vengeful aspect, his winged jump pack and razor claws reaping a heavy toll on the ranks of the vile Word Bearers

see? Although in raven's flight corax didn't use a JP, he did use one on Istvaan. He also didn't have LC's in raven's flight, rather a heavy bolter and barbed whip.

corax never used a jp he used wings forged by the mechanicum, the wings were powerfull enough to let corax fly

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Still didn't use one!

Kanluwen wrote:Corax didn't use a jump pack

the bolter and chainsword wrote:The Primarch of the Raven Guard was a taciturn and subtle warrior but a warrior nonetheless and during the Battle for Istvaan V Corax assumed a terrible and vengeful aspect, his winged jump pack and razor claws reaping a heavy toll on the ranks of the vile Word Bearers

see? Although in raven's flight corax didn't use a JP, he did use one on Istvaan. He also didn't have LC's in raven's flight, rather a heavy bolter and barbed whip.

Cite the source. Because "Raven's Flight" makes no mention of him using a jump pack(mechanical winged or otherwise) or employing lightning claws.

And by the way?
If you're trying to tie Shrike's Lightning Claws to Corax as "his"--they've never been said to have belonged to Corax.

The previous edition of C:SM detailed "The Raven's Talons" and their origins.

Specifically: "Said to have been crafted by Corax himself on Deliverance after the Istvaan V massacre"

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Still didn't use one!

Kanluwen wrote:Corax didn't use a jump pack

the bolter and chainsword wrote:The Primarch of the Raven Guard was a taciturn and subtle warrior but a warrior nonetheless and during the Battle for Istvaan V Corax assumed a terrible and vengeful aspect, his winged jump pack and razor claws reaping a heavy toll on the ranks of the vile Word Bearers

see? Although in raven's flight corax didn't use a JP, he did use one on Istvaan. He also didn't have LC's in raven's flight, rather a heavy bolter and barbed whip.

Cite the source. Because "Raven's Flight" makes no mention of him using a jump pack(mechanical winged or otherwise) or employing lightning claws.

And by the way?
If you're trying to tie Shrike's Lightning Claws to Corax as "his"--they've never been said to have belonged to Corax.
Specifically: "Said to have been crafted by Corax himself on Deliverance after the Istvaan V massacre"

The previous edition of C:SM detailed "The Raven's Talons" and their origins.
quote where I said that shrike's LCs were used by corax. I never said that.
the source? B&C. I said.
I said- HE DIDN'T USE A JP OR LC'S IN RAVEN'S FLIGHT.
He did, however, use a jump pack and LC's to nearly kill lorgar, before Curze broke it up.

Hang on a miniute, If each primarch was supposed to represent an aspect of the Emporer what did Corax represent

moonshine wrote:Hang on a miniute, If each primarch was supposed to represent an aspect of the Emporer what did Corax represent

he is the only primarch to remember (though vaguely) his father.
he also is the stealthy, cunning one.

Yes but what aspect of the emporer does he represent ? for example.

Fulgrim represents the emporers wanting of perfection

Kurze represents the emporers sence of justice

Jhonson represents the emporers logic

But what does Corax repressent?

moonshine wrote:Yes but what aspect of the emporer does he represent ? for example.

Fulgrim represents the emporers wanting of perfection

Kurze represents the emporers sence of justice

Jhonson represents the emporers logic

But what does Corax repressent?

the emperor's sense of patience for the opportune moment?
the emperor's sense of forethought and careful planning?

He could represent the emporers shadow?

moonshine wrote:He could represent the emporers shadow?

well, raven guard are quiet, stealthy, tactical...cunning. that's the best word for them. Cunning ,swift and stealthy.

But the emporer was not stealthy, he was a good tactician and very swift but white scars are more swift.

Maybe raven guard represent the emporers independance?

moonshine wrote:But the emporer was not stealthy, he was a good tactician and very swift but white scars are more swift.

Maybe raven guard represent the emporers independance?

you have a point.

Kan - you HAVE read "THE FIRST HERETIC", right?

Nope, and if ADB did something silly with Corax I'll make certain he pays for it!

ADB makes corax very bad ass, he kills about 294 possesed csm (there were 300 gal vorbak and after they chrarge corax there were only 6 (including argel tal))

That's fine and all, but mechanical wings are dumb.

Especially for a Primarch whose whole schtick is pragmatism.

Well, in that book,

Kan, you can click the first one, but maybe not this one! -

Meh. Then I'll pass on "The First Heretic"

It was pretty damned low on my list, despite being an ADB book simply because I care so very little about the Word Bearers.

Yes but it details why the horus heresy started, the best book is mechanicum though

Uh, I know why the Horus Heresy started just fine without having to read a book where Corax flies around like a steampunk Peter Pan tyvm.

Kanluwen wrote:Uh, you realize "fly" in that context was just meaning "don't run away"

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Still didn't use one!

Kanluwen wrote:Corax didn't use a jump pack

the bolter and chainsword wrote:The Primarch of the Raven Guard was a taciturn and subtle warrior but a warrior nonetheless and during the Battle for Istvaan V Corax assumed a terrible and vengeful aspect, his winged jump pack and razor claws reaping a heavy toll on the ranks of the vile Word Bearers

see? Although in raven's flight corax didn't use a JP, he did use one on Istvaan. He also didn't have LC's in raven's flight, rather a heavy bolter and barbed whip.

Cite the source...no mention of him using a jump pack (mechanical winged or otherwise) or employing lightning claws.

And by the way?
If you're trying to tie Shrike's Lightning Claws to Corax as "his"--they've never been said to have belonged to Corax.

The previous edition of C:SM detailed "The Raven's Talons" and their origins.

Specifically: "Said to have been crafted by Corax himself on Deliverance after the Istvaan V massacre"

Alpharius wrote:Kan - you HAVE read "THE FIRST HERETIC", right?

Kanluwen wrote:Nope, and if ADB did something silly with Corax I'll make certain he pays for it!

Don't deny fluff from a book you haven't read. I haven't read it either, but before you go belittling chapter fluff like that, at least read an article from the B&C, 40k wiki or lexicanum first.
That's all I'm gonna say.

That's not "Chapter fluff" and it's not on 40kwiki or Lexicanum.

So yeah. It's not fluff, as far as I'm concerned.


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And as a sidenote:

The Horus Heresy came about for one reason, and one reason only.

Lorgar had daddy issues.

Kanluwen wrote:That's not "Chapter fluff" and it's not on 40kwiki or Lexicanum.

So yeah. It's not fluff, as far as I'm concerned.


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And as a sidenote:

The Horus Heresy came about for one reason, and one reason only.

Lorgar had daddy issues.

I said an article LIKE that.
It IS fluff.
It IS chapter fluff, since it is FLUFF about the CHAPTER.

No, it's fluff about the WORD BEARERS told from THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

Of course in their tale, Lorgar beats Corax.

Kanluwen wrote:No, it's fluff about the WORD BEARERS told from THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

Of course in their tale, Lorgar beats Corax.

But we are all agreed it's fluff, and includes information about the raven guard. Thus, it contains RAVEN GUARD FLUFF.
It's like chapter's due- it's about iron warriors fighting ultramarines, but still includes fluff about raven guard.