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2011/02/19 13:16:03
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Now and again I'll be talking to someone, find out they are creationists and think "I suppose you're entitled to your opinions and I suppose you're not really hurting anyone". If it's being taught in museums and schools, however, it should have signs everywhere making sure people know it is theory, opinion and mostly based on stories.
Come to think of it, a fair bit of science could use the same thing.
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2011/02/19 15:53:56
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
This is what the most powerful of all lizards has been reduced to?
Wasn't there any meat in Biblical times?
The same God that preferred animal sacrifices over plant sacrifices and chilled with Satan while they both murdered and destroyed a man's family to prove a point, then give said man hookers afterwards, apparently is a veggie eating hippy.
Ayn Rand "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality"
2011/02/19 16:08:23
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Not that I agree or disagree with the idea that T-rex ate coconuts. It's certainly possible that they ate coconuts as well as people.
The thing that bothers me about this thread is that people are allowed to get away with comments like "Those crazy Christians", calling creationists "slowed 3 year olds"
if someone came on here and said something like those "crazy neopagans" are at it again..mannahin would shut it right down. Or if someone dared to point out that this article is just a snippet of information that people in this thread have kneejerked and run with it.
And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
GG
2011/02/19 17:32:06
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:Not that I agree or disagree with the idea that T-rex ate coconuts. It's certainly possible that they ate coconuts as well as people.
The thing that bothers me about this thread is that people are allowed to get away with comments like "Those crazy Christians", calling creationists "slowed 3 year olds"
if someone came on here and said something like those "crazy neopagans" are at it again..mannahin would shut it right down. Or if someone dared to point out that this article is just a snippet of information that people in this thread have kneejerked and run with it.
And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
GG
I respect your point of view.
but then you aren't claiming T-rex ate coconuts instead of meat....
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
2011/02/19 17:43:16
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
It's certainly possible that they ate coconuts as well as people.
I really hope i have missed the irony and you don't mean that
There is a lot of geology between dinersaws and humans
Thing is neo pagans afaik don't insist that their crazy notions are taught to all and sundry.
Afaik they don't think the terrible lizards ate people or coconuts.
Not all Christians are fruit bats most certainly. But boy there are some far out nut jobs that dream up some weird gakk and give religion a bad name.
2011/02/19 17:46:32
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
The other thing is I am not convinced that long sharp pointy dagger teeth are that well suited to cracking open coconuts.
But let us for a moment suppose that they are, how does the Tyrannosaurus extract the fleshy coconut deliciousness from the outer casing?
It can't hold the bloody thing cos his arms are too short.
He can't chew cos he ain't got no molars only the big stabby daggers.
He can't nibble away at it with that big gob of his.
no wonder they became extinct, they bloomin well starved to death.
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2011/02/19 17:58:58
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:Not that I agree or disagree with the idea that T-rex ate coconuts. It's certainly possible that they ate coconuts as well as people.
The thing that bothers me about this thread is that people are allowed to get away with comments like "Those crazy Christians", calling creationists "slowed 3 year olds"
if someone came on here and said something like those "crazy neopagans" are at it again..mannahin would shut it right down. Or if someone dared to point out that this article is just a snippet of information that people in this thread have kneejerked and run with it.
And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
GG
The actual quotation is "some crazy Christians", not "those crazy Christians".
Please use the yellow triangle to bring to the moderators' attentions rude comments.
Also, let's look at things from a thermodynamic/biomechanical perspective...
I'm a 180lb male human. I require 3000cals a day to function (including exercise). This is nearly ten coconuts.
I'm a 20,000lbs, 18ft tall Tyrannosaurus Rex. I require (roughly) 100,000 cals a day. This is Nearly 3 thousand coconuts.
One tree will produce c. 50 coconuts at any one time. This means that a T-Rex would need to strip 60 trees a day in order to feed itself. Then move on, as those coconuts sure don't grow overnight...
Also, neither crabs nor monkeys are ten tons of bristling 6inch teeth, yet they manage to nom down the nuts with reckless abandon.
For everytime anyone ever goes to that museum, reads whatever sign says T-Rexs ate coconuts, then goes on to believe that 'fact,' I shall kill a kitten.
No, TWO kittens.
Gah.
That's a lot of kittens!
Maybe you're over looking the fact that due to *magic* the T-Rex ate coconuts. Oh wait *magic* isn't a good reason... try.. um *faith*... no arguing with that!
Seriously $25million could be spent on research for a cure to cancer. Who care who/what/how the universe was made , maybe we should focus on disease, starvation and homelessness?
2011/02/19 18:06:38
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:Not that I agree or disagree with the idea that T-rex ate coconuts. It's certainly possible that they ate coconuts as well as people.
The thing that bothers me about this thread is that people are allowed to get away with comments like "Those crazy Christians", calling creationists "slowed 3 year olds"
if someone came on here and said something like those "crazy neopagans" are at it again..mannahin would shut it right down. Or if someone dared to point out that this article is just a snippet of information that people in this thread have kneejerked and run with it.
And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
GG
Creationists ARE thought of as wacky by most Christians as well! You represent a very small minority of Christians GG.
And Its not ra.....
Forget it, weve done this too many times mate.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2011/02/19 18:09:38
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
It is for me and many others, sure.
You want respect with one hand, and then dish out casual insults with the other. You (and indeed anyone else of any other denomination) are free to think and believe whatever you want. Doesn't mean that your views shouldn't be brought under scrutiny the same as anything else.
If someone brought you a bottle and said it contained a solution which would do something fantastic wouldn't you want some kind of independently verified proof before you put your hand in your wallet?
metallifan wrote:You know, one thing Creationists never answer when I ask them is: Who created God? Surely 'he' didn't just 'will' 'himself' into existance, because that's just silly...
Why not? If an omnipotent, omniscient being really exists what would stop it from acting through time and creating itself?
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
2011/02/19 18:17:46
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Also, let's look at things from a thermodynamic/biomechanical perspective...
I'm a 180lb male human. I require 3000cals a day to function (including exercise). This is nearly ten coconuts.
I'm a 20,000lbs, 18ft tall Tyrannosaurus Rex. I require (roughly) 100,000 cals a day. This is Nearly 3 thousand coconuts.
One tree will produce c. 50 coconuts at any one time. This means that a T-Rex would need to strip 60 trees a day in order to feed itself. Then move on, as those coconuts sure don't grow overnight...
Also, neither crabs nor monkeys are ten tons of bristling 6inch teeth, yet they manage to nom down the nuts with reckless abandon.
For everytime anyone ever goes to that museum, reads whatever sign says T-Rexs ate coconuts, then goes on to believe that 'fact,' I shall kill a kitten.
No, TWO kittens.
Gah.
That's a lot of kittens!
Maybe you're over looking the fact that due to *magic* the T-Rex ate coconuts. Oh wait *magic* isn't a good reason... try.. um *faith*... no arguing with that!
Seriously $25million could be spent on research for a cure to cancer. Who care who/what/how the universe was made , maybe we should focus on disease, starvation and homelessness?
yeahh and while we are at it...lets just shut down all science that is evolution based while we are at it. I mean it's not like anyone else has a different world view than us and of course they are soo obviously wrong they have no right whatsoever to do their own research.
It's also "magic" that life spontaneously arrived in an unguided magical way.. Or that evolution "magically spedup and slowed down when it didn't go the way we thought it was supposed to, so we'll use our faith and call this magic punctuated equilibrium even though we can't prove it....yeah the evolutionist world view is the perfect and only true way to see the world.
GG
2011/02/19 18:20:24
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
metallifan wrote:You know, one thing Creationists never answer when I ask them is: Who created God? Surely 'he' didn't just 'will' 'himself' into existance, because that's just silly...
Why not? If an omnipotent, omniscient being really exists what would stop it from acting through time and creating itself?
The question itself is nonsense. It's tantamount to asking why God can't make a round square. It's a logical impossibility.
GG
2011/02/19 18:21:42
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
metallifan wrote:You know, one thing Creationists never answer when I ask them is: Who created God? Surely 'he' didn't just 'will' 'himself' into existance, because that's just silly...
Why not? If an omnipotent, omniscient being really exists what would stop it from acting through time and creating itself?
This is a good point.
If god exists as Christians believe then he is omnipotent and thus can do whatever the hell he likes disregarding temporarily.
Also GG, I regard neopagans as far worse than Christians for pseudoscience.
generalgrog wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
metallifan wrote:You know, one thing Creationists never answer when I ask them is: Who created God? Surely 'he' didn't just 'will' 'himself' into existance, because that's just silly...
Why not? If an omnipotent, omniscient being really exists what would stop it from acting through time and creating itself?
The question itself is nonsense. It's tantamount to asking why God can't make a round square. It's a logical impossibility.
GG
This isn't true, many aspects of physics bend or totally ignore the logical progression of time whereas being a square and being a circle are just two abstract human definitions of shape.
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2011/02/19 18:45:12
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
Oh right Some of my friends and acquaintances are pagans.
They are all really laid back about what other people believe, are not evangalistic trying to convert everyone and so was puzzled by your comment
Thanks for explaining, Rick
Wouldn't doubt there are some nut job pagans too but never met one.
2011/02/19 18:25:25
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
metallifan wrote:You know, one thing Creationists never answer when I ask them is: Who created God? Surely 'he' didn't just 'will' 'himself' into existance, because that's just silly...
Why not? If an omnipotent, omniscient being really exists what would stop it from acting through time and creating itself?
This is a good point.
If god exists as Christians believe then he is omnipotent and thus can do whatever the hell he likes disregarding temporarily.
Also GG, I regard neopagans as far worse than Christians for pseudoscience.
We have had this discussion before..The bible doesn't say that God is Omnipotent. In fact it says that God can't lie, and that God can't sin. God created a logical world with square squares and round circles. There is no such thing as the number green. So no it was not a good point, it was nonsense.
GG
2011/02/19 18:25:30
Subject: Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
God: God's Omnipotence
Bible study on God: omnipotence.
Rev. 19:6
The Lord God is Omnipotent.
"Omnipotent" means the state of having unlimited power. Thus, God's authority is unlimited.
Gen. 18:14
Nothing is too hard for the Lord.
Job 42:2
God can do everything.
Matt. 19:26
All things are possible with God.
Lk. 1:37
Nothing is impossible for God.
Acts 26:8
Raising the dead is not an incredible thing for God.
Eph. 1:19
God has mighty power (i.e., a superabundance of power).
Eph. 3:20
God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think.
Eph. 6:10
We are strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Therefore, we are able to stand against the wiles of the devil by putting on the whole armor of God (Eph. 6:10-18).
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2011/02/19 18:25:50
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote:
The thing that bothers me about this thread is that people are allowed to get away with comments like "Those crazy Christians", calling creationists "slowed 3 year olds"
if someone came on here and said something like those "crazy neopagans" are at it again..mannahin would shut it right down. Or if someone dared to point out that this article is just a snippet of information that people in this thread have kneejerked and run with it.
Wait, what?
You participate in almost every religious thread that takes place here, which means you have no excuse for not remembering Fraz's tendency to lock threads that happen to irritate him for any perceived bag on Christians.
generalgrog wrote:
And yeahh believing that order and intelligence are a product of totally random unguided processes is totally more believable than to believe that a Creator designed it...yeah it's soooo much more believable....
Order and intelligence exist independently of perception?
That's a new (old and discredited) idea.
Edit: to insert key nouns and adjectives
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2011/02/19 18:26:08
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
This isn't true, many aspects of physics bend or totally ignore the logical progression of time whereas being a square and being a circle are just two abstract human definitions of shape.
Prove it.
GG
2011/02/19 20:26:17
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
generalgrog wrote: yeahh and while we are at it...lets just shut down all science that is evolution based while we are at it. I mean it's not like anyone else has a different world view than us and of course they are soo obviously wrong they have no right whatsoever to do their own research.
It's also "magic" that life spontaneously arrived in an unguided magical way.. Or that evolution "magically spedup and slowed down when it didn't go the way we thought it was supposed to, so we'll use our faith and call this magic punctuated equilibrium even though we can't prove it....yeah the evolutionist world view is the perfect and only true way to see the world.
GG
i get what you are saying, but i don't see how everyone is saying creationism is bad. they're saying (well, i'm saying anyway) they think the referenced story in the beginning
was crazy. T-rex eating coconuts is crazy. not the complete notion of creationism. i'm not convinced by either side completely. but, imho, the evolution side has more evidence
and makes more sense.
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
2011/02/19 18:28:20
Subject: Re:Creationists solve the riddle of T Rex dentistry...
This isn't true, many aspects of physics bend or totally ignore the logical progression of time whereas being a square and being a circle are just two abstract human definitions of shape.
Prove it.
GG
Reserach relativity or quantum mechanics for the former.
You want me to prove to you that squares and circles are just human concepts of spacial arrangement? if so you are hopelessly lost.
