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ph34r wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Schaden - vehicles cannot score. However GK GM says they can. RAW they score.

Your analogy with the Deffdred is incorrect, as all it odes is make them Troops, it does NOT specifically state they "score"

The GKGM rule is more specific than the rulebook; rulebook states vehicles cannot score, GKGM GS states they can. GS wins.

I suggest you actually read the GK codex, it would help your arguments quite a bit.

The GK codex does not make them scoring, but rather scoring "as if they were troops". Troops vehicles cannot score. Vehicles that score as if they were troops cannot score.

I concur.

ph34r - I have read the codex. Oddly enough

they score "as if they were Troops" - so 1) they score and 2) act as troops to do so.

In the same way a RAS LS scores, because the codex says so, this rule is more specific than the BRB

the astral aim psychic power. page 54 (i think)

It says that you may not target someone in a vehicle, but if you are in a vehicle can you use this power to shoot without needing fire points? The way I see it is that the models still count as being on the battlefield just they can't see due to the vehicle walls blocking line of sight. Thus with this power you should be able to fire because it disregards that part of the firing restrictions.

nosferatu1001 wrote:ph34r - I have read the codex. Oddly enough

they score "as if they were Troops" - so 1) they score and 2) act as troops to do so.

In the same way a RAS LS scores, because the codex says so, this rule is more specific than the BRB

They score as if they were troops, and vehicles, even if they are troops, do not score. It's for the same reason that Deff Dreads taken as troops cannot score.

No it isnt. Deff dreads are simply moved to Troops, with no other stipulation.

Here you are told you are scoring - in the same way as a RAS LS is scoring.

I dunno why people are answering questions here.
Surely the purpose of the thread is to simply collect questions.

To collect questions that need answering. If there is an answer in the rules, then at best you need a FAQ

IF the query requires a rules change, then it needs an errrata. So if they make Falchions +1A only, that better be in an errata as a rules change!

What order does Cleansing Flame being cast multiple times in an assault get resolved?

i.e. In succession
CF1, 30 rolls, 15 wounds, 10 models die
CF2, 20 rolls, 10 wounds, 7 models die

or

Simultaneous
CF1 & 2, 60 rolls, 30 wounds, 20 models die

Hellstorm wrote:the astral aim psychic power. page 54 (i think)

It says that you may not target someone in a vehicle, but if you are in a vehicle can you use this power to shoot without needing fire points? The way I see it is that the models still count as being on the battlefield just they can't see due to the vehicle walls blocking line of sight. Thus with this power you should be able to fire because it disregards that part of the firing restrictions.

Rule part: You still require fire points. Astral Aim only removes the requirement for line of sight, not the requirement for a fire point (pg 66), which is a completely different rule than the Line of Sight rule. It's like firing a Barrage weapon from a vehicle.
Fluff part: They don't magicially shoot through things, they bend the projectile's path around things. Basically they're like the movie Wanted.

nosferatu1001 wrote:No it isnt. Deff dreads are simply moved to Troops, with no other stipulation.

Here you are told you are scoring - in the same way as a RAS LS is scoring.

Scoring as if they were troops.

A vehicle that scores as if it was a troop unit can score with the restriction that it cannot score if it is a vehicle.

It's very cut and dry. There is no rule-supported argument against it.

Pg 21: Does the Brotherhood of Psykers rule, specifically the part about attacks specifically targeting psykers being against the Justicar/KotF or a random model if they are dead, work against wargear or special rules that cause a characteristic test, i.e. Dark Eldar's Crucible of Malediction? Also, if it does not work out as an attack, does it effect the entire unit, seeing as they are counted as a single psyker?

anyone else notice, you have chimera's as trasports which are armed with a multi laser, yet theres no weapon description anywhere in the book for a multi laser

whitetrash982 wrote:anyone else notice, you have chimera's as trasports which are armed with a multi laser, yet theres no weapon description anywhere in the book for a multi laser

uuuuum,

try the reference sheet on the back cover?

not on the refrence sheet, war gear section, or with the transport section. no description of the characteristics in the codex at all. i feel as if this codex was very rushed. alot of mistakes and not enough clarification

Pg. 51 in the henchmen section

Still on the subject of Chimera's, and again hinting that their addition to the codex was a last minute job,- can they transport a model in terminator armour?

The description of terminator armour C:GK p63 only says that they can't use rhinos or razorbacks, so could I put a termi-armoured ordo malleus inquisitor in a chimera?

pg 61 - Hunter Killer Missile, last paragraph states they are fired at Ballistic Skill 4, does this also count when fired by a Chimera which is normally BS 3?

Does anyone know when we can expect the INAT FAQ to be updated with grey knights?

Q: Does the Nemesis Dreadknight get to double it's STR when using it's Nemesis Doomfists?

Pg. 54 of the GK Codex says the Doomfists follow the rules for Dreadnought Close Combat weapons.
Pg. 73 of the BRB says that "A dreadnought close combat weapon is a power weapon and doubles THE WALKER'S Strength in close combat (up to a maximum of 10).
The NDK is not a walker.

Q: Does the NDK follow normal rules for determining bonus attacks with CCW? i.e. when wielding 2 of the same CCW (2 Doomfists) get +1A for having 2, but when switching to 1 Doomfist and 1 Great Sword, now lose the bonus as its 2 different special CCW.

Pg. 73 of the BRB says only walkers armed with 2 or more CCW gains bonus attack.

Ravenwing Land speeders are scoring, so there is precedent for others to be scoring.


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Ravenwing Land speeders are scoring, so there is precedent for other vehicles to be scoring.

quietus wrote:1) Is Mordrak an independent character? pg40. pg 64

Why is there a question about this? IC is not in his rules on page 82. Page 40 details the only unit he may be an upgrade character in.

2) When Mordrak brings his body guard they become a unit, can he then be joined by an IC? pg.40 pg.64

Since Mordrak with Ghosts is not "units that always consist of a single model" (BRB, pg. 48) why is this a question?

Maybe I should just delete this...

Homer

pg 96 - refrence sheet - unholy gaze - ref sheet says its strength 8 AP -. however on pg 49, in the powers chart for the demon host, its states that its strength 8 AP 4

Can a Brotherhood Champion that's in base to base contact with a vehicle remove it with "Heroic Sacrifice" if all the conditions to use the power are met and the power is cast successfully?

RAW yes he can, but it's still one of those things that someone should check.

YEs he can, no issues on rules there. Lukas can do it as well.

ph34r wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:No it isnt. Deff dreads are simply moved to Troops, with no other stipulation.

Here you are told you are scoring - in the same way as a RAS LS is scoring.

Scoring as if they were troops.

A vehicle that scores as if it was a troop unit can score with the restriction that it cannot score if it is a vehicle.

It's very cut and dry. There is no rule-supported argument against it.

Codex overrules rulebook. The rulebook says vehicles can't claim objectives. The Codex says that Walkers can claim as if they were troops therefore they claim objectives.

Synnister wrote:
Codex overrules rulebook. The rulebook says vehicles can't claim objectives. The Codex says that Walkers can claim as if they were troops therefore they claim objectives.

Except that Troops who are vehicles can't claim.

Formosa wrote:Ravenwing Land speeders are scoring, so there is precedent for others to be scoring.

The DA codex says specifically that they are a scoring unit.
There is far more recent precedent of vehicles as troops not scoring. DC dreads and Deff dreds off the top of my head.

Pg. 56, 21
A unit of Grey knights are hit by 4 Mind Strike missles. How are the subsequent Perils of the Warp resolved.

(Specifically, Are they all allocated to the Justicar, are they resolved one at a time (effecting the Justicar first and then moving on to random members), or are they allocated, then rolled for?)

Dok wrote:

Formosa wrote:Ravenwing Land speeders are scoring, so there is precedent for others to be scoring.

The DA codex says specifically that they are a scoring unit.
There is far more recent precedent of vehicles as troops not scoring. DC dreads and Deff dreds off the top of my head.

DC dreds nd Deffdreds can't score.


they are simply moved/already in the troops section of the FoC.


GS simply says the units are scoring as if they were troops. the 'as if they were troops' is simply a clarification.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Synnister wrote:
Codex overrules rulebook. The rulebook says vehicles can't claim objectives. The Codex says that Walkers can claim as if they were troops therefore they claim objectives.

Except that Troops who are vehicles can't claim.

The GS rule doesn't classify the Walker as a troop just allows it to claim objectives as if they were troops. As for vehicles that are troops not being able to claim objectives that's true however, you have a rule in a codex that overrides that rule.