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2011/03/28 21:14:56
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Yes. It's a non-issue. Show me the stats on "ginger-hazing". Where's this 'epidemic'. Where's the huge social injustice undertaken by the evil Brunettes and Blonds of the world. Give me a break.
Imagine a world where no one gave a @#$% if you used the n-word, or told a Polish joke. It is demonstrably true when such things don't get a response, they stop.
Understand the bully. His goal is to get a rise out of you. That's what lets things escalate into a fight. Disarm him at the start and, guess what? No fight. Huh. How about that? Got any other incredible wisdom for us?
(Psst, by the way - we're on the same side.)
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biccat wrote:
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Okay let's with the Thicko Paddy jokes and Chalkie Sambo fun all over again. Do you seriously expect me to believe that a victim of bullying will be reassured by that it was just the colour of their hair? That's alright then, carry on as you were...
Huh?
It appears that this is a more widespread problem in the UK than it is on this side of the pond.
Not really. Their TV hosts can make comments on national television that with our over-sensitive American wuss population, would have legions of political correctness Nazis screaming to have them sacked.
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2011/03/28 21:26:35
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Non-issue?
It is only humou? Really?
The fragility and transparency of these excuses are pitiful.
Pop culture ?
I didn't realise that Ginger was the new Black.
Okay let's with the Thicko Paddy jokes and Chalkie Sambo fun all over again. Do you seriously expect me to believe that a victim of bullying will be reassured by that it was just the colour of their hair? That's alright then, carry on as you were...
If you are ginger and constantly having to put up with the gakk then it might be seen as something more than a "non-issue".
Because people rightly can no longer get away with popular stereotyping and insulting people on the grounds of ethnicity. does not mean shifting such reprehensible attitudes to someone just because they have a given hair colour and complexion is justifiable.
Yeah it is pop culture...as in it is being exploited on TV, comedy, music videos, etc. This is not a real world issue, this is not even a huge issue. This is a first world problem created by pop culture. Any adult who is mildly mature will know that a person is a person. Some people use their situation to their advantage, or cry wolf. help, help I am being oppressed I am a ginger! When in reality, they aren't being oppressed. It is just like anyone who is not attractive, over weight, socially awkward, or whatever else people judge you on.
Otherwise I agree with you. People get judged by their character and their actions, not the color of their hair. Sometimes people just like to use certain things as an excuse to abuse people, just like some people use that same excuse to always be a victim.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the Eldar!
2011/03/28 21:29:09
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If it is a non issue why are you justifying ridiculing people because of their hair colour?
Doesn't matter if it is just one red haired person being upset by morons, it is not acceptable.
Sorry, I am not saying it is justifiable. I am saying it is a non issue because if someone never thought up the concept of using someone's hair color to bully someone, and they wanted to bully someone, they would just use another excuse. Growing up in the states it wasn't ever your hair color. it was the clothes you wore, the people you hung out with, the music you listened to, the way you looked (over or under weight), and your social skills. People who got picked on and bullied were typically not because they were a ginger or a redhead, at least not where I grew up.
They will always find an excuse, and the whole prejudice thing against redheads is a non issue. I don't see hate groups of 10s of thousands (or more) of people pushing an anti redhead movement like I do other hate groups.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the Eldar!
2011/03/28 21:36:56
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If it is a non issue why are you justifying ridiculing people because of their hair colour?
Doesn't matter if it is just one red haired person being upset by morons, it is not acceptable.
No one is justifying it. In case you had not noticed, we were problem-solving (for a non problem, yet).
The fallacy you seem to be operating under is that declaring it "unacceptable" actually has any effect. Politicians declare terrorist acts "unacceptable" about 3 times a week, yet still it goes on.
If the response to any sort of hazing for something stupid like hair color, or body weight, or...whatever, was "whatever" - THAT would be FAR more effective than whining about the attempt to tease in the first place. The former short-circuits the attempted attack, the latter *specifically* encourages and escalates it.
The short version: toughen up.
"Exterminatus is never having to say you're sorry."
2011/03/28 21:37:27
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
VoidAngel wrote:" Sometimes people just like to use certain things as an excuse to abuse people, just like some people use that same excuse to always be a victim."
Well said. Less victimhood, please.
I've been beaten up, and I have been picked on but I never once let it get to me. I was never a victim. Ended up winning a few of those fights too growing up. I know some people who just love being a victim.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the Eldar!
2011/03/28 21:41:08
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
VoidAngel wrote:" Sometimes people just like to use certain things as an excuse to abuse people, just like some people use that same excuse to always be a victim."
Well said. Less victimhood, please.
I've been beaten up, and I have been picked on but I never once let it get to me. I was never a victim. Ended up winning a few of those fights too growing up. I know some people who just love being a victim.
Me too. To the point where I realized that complaining about it and feeling hurt were useless, and this became the impetus to DO something about it. And then I decided to teach other people how to do something about it. An avocation at which I have been very successful.
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2011/03/28 22:12:06
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but I'm just popping in to say that I have no issue with ginger ladies. It's all I can do stop myself from posting another gratuitous pic of Amy Adams to prove my point.
As for ginger men, well I don't cross the road to avoid them, but they have no Amy Adams equivalent.
In a long and fruitful relationship with a redhead wife
Own a Jaguar (preferably the car, although I could do with a nice big... cat to go with my wife... (The joke doesn't work as much when you can't infer the meaning well >.< Own a reasonable-sized house
Have enough money for necessities and a bit of luxury
Have 2/3/4 kids
Finally become a good enough writer to pen my own fiction novel (unfortunately by preferred topic has been exhausted - dragons/dragon riders + elves + dwarves...)
At least 3 of these will not be possible without a loving redhead wife (1st one is obvious, as are kids, and there'll probably be a character based on her in some way somewhere in the novel).
Everytime you insult a redhead, you insult my dreams.
Don't insult my dreams; don't insult redheads.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2011/03/28 22:55:28
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Flashman wrote:I can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but I'm just popping in to say that I have no issue with ginger ladies. It's all I can do stop myself from posting another gratuitous pic of Amy Adams to prove my point.
As for ginger men, well I don't cross the road to avoid them, but they have no Amy Adams equivalent.
Oh by all means post tons of pics of Amy Adams, I am a fan myself.
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Avatar 720 wrote:'My life' as hoped for by Avatar 720:
In a long and fruitful relationship with a redhead wife
Own a Jaguar (preferably the car, although I could do with a nice big... cat to go with my wife... (The joke doesn't work as much when you can't infer the meaning well >.< Own a reasonable-sized house
Have enough money for necessities and a bit of luxury
Have 2/3/4 kids
Finally become a good enough writer to pen my own fiction novel (unfortunately by preferred topic has been exhausted - dragons/dragon riders + elves + dwarves...)
At least 3 of these will not be possible without a loving redhead wife (1st one is obvious, as are kids, and there'll probably be a character based on her in some way somewhere in the novel).
Everytime you insult a redhead, you insult my dreams.
Don't insult my dreams; don't insult redheads.
What did you write?
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the Eldar!
2011/03/28 23:01:35
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
I haven't written anything substantial yet (got something going in the Fiction part of Dakka, but it's not exactly novel-quality), but if I were to write something then my preffered genre would be fantasy, containing dragons, elves, dwarves, magic etc. etc. Something that has been done to absolute death.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2011/03/28 23:04:50
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
I said absolute death, there are only so many ways you can say "Dragon rider" without someone seeing it and going "Oh, so it's a rip-off of ______... imaginative..." no matter how well it reads.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2011/03/28 23:08:17
Subject: Re:Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Crom wrote:I love to write I just never finish anything. One of these days I will and send it out to get published or just release it for free.
I'm similar, whenever I write something it's often just a spur of the moment thing that last a few days and then subsides, at which point I just leave it, as my other examples of forced writing have been terrible.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2011/03/28 23:22:17
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Avatar 720 wrote:I said absolute death, there are only so many ways you can say "Dragon rider" without someone seeing it and going "Oh, so it's a rip-off of ______... imaginative..." no matter how well it reads.
What about small dragons that ride people?
And just to keep this topic on track:
And one more (slightly NSFW)
Spoiler:
EDIT: @dirkthe1: Sorry, no idea. And if I did, I wouldn't just give away such valuable info.
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VoidAngel wrote:And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies.
In that foulest of ages, this ship had hung in the skies above Holy Terra as the world's atmosphere burned. Its name was Ashallius S'Veyval, in a dead language, from a dead world. In Imperial Gothic, it translated loosely as Echo Of Damnation.
Thank Heaven! The crisis --The danger, is past, and the lingering illness is over at last --, and the fever called "Living" is conquered at last.
2011/03/29 01:02:04
Subject: Re:Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Can we stop comparing gingers with groups that actually suffer real, institutional bias, like black people? Because someone saying something mean in the playground is really not the same thing as institutional racism.
And yes, somethings some kids say in the playground are meanspirited towards redheads. Those comments aren't cool, but they're no different to picking on a kid because he's unusually tall, or has a big ears or whatever else. They're not nice, but it's just playground bullying, and totally different to actual racial oppression.
This is getting confused with a lot of humour people throw around about gingers. These are light hearted jokes, where the point is to make fun of the silliness of prejudice by using a target no-one actually holds any antipathy towards.
We used to make the same jokes with the French as the 'target', where we were really mocking nationalism, but then French had the gall to refuse to support a stupid war, and a lot of Americans started taking the jokes very seriously, thereby ruining all those jokes.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/03/29 01:09:02
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I think ginger is a wonderful spice. Sure, it's only thought of in the form of gingerbread, but it works well in limited amounts with fish or in candy making.
Actualy ginger can be used in a great marinade, especialy in teryaki beef. Never tried it one fish yet so you my good sir have given me my nest fish dish idea
WAAAHG!!! until further notice
2011/03/29 01:30:29
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
The french deserve everything any has ever been directed toward them. Gingers....not so much. You are comparing apples and anvils.
And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies. ;-P
Seriously, the french refused to support an ally that had fought and died FOR THEM, over an oil deal they'd cut with a genocidal madman. Don't gloss over that part. The war isn't about oil, but the french and Germans not doing their part when asked...was.
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2011/03/29 01:43:22
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
VoidAngel wrote:
And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies. ;-P
This. You just became my hero.
Mind if I sig this?
VoidAngel wrote:And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies.
In that foulest of ages, this ship had hung in the skies above Holy Terra as the world's atmosphere burned. Its name was Ashallius S'Veyval, in a dead language, from a dead world. In Imperial Gothic, it translated loosely as Echo Of Damnation.
Thank Heaven! The crisis --The danger, is past, and the lingering illness is over at last --, and the fever called "Living" is conquered at last.
2011/03/29 01:48:09
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
VoidAngel wrote:The french deserve everything any has ever been directed toward them. Gingers....not so much. You are comparing apples and anvils.
And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies. ;-P
Seriously, the french refused to support an ally that had fought and died FOR THEM, over an oil deal they'd cut with a genocidal madman. Don't gloss over that part. The war isn't about oil, but the french and Germans not doing their part when asked...was.
Really, dude? Still?
It was a stupid war*. They said 'this is a stupid war'. The claims about secret deals were greatly exagerated, the country making the most profit from food for oil wroughts was the US, Russia was second.
They supported and sent troops into Afghanistan. They just didn't follow into Iraq. Because it was a stupid war.
Seriously, let it go. There was a lot of crazy going around at the time. We all want to move past it. If you can just accept this, then the real antipathy to the French can disappear faster, and we can go back to telling French jokes sooner.
*The line about stupid hippies was funny. Points for that.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/03/29 02:00:13
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Avatar 720 wrote:I said absolute death, there are only so many ways you can say "Dragon rider" without someone seeing it and going "Oh, so it's a rip-off of ______... imaginative..." no matter how well it reads.
What about small dragons that ride people?
Been done by Looking For Group already:
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2011/03/29 02:01:33
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
A blond, a brunette, and a redhead went to get a job.
All of them had great references, and excellent work history, and passed the drug test and background check and so on.
The manager asked each several questions, one was "what makes you stand out from the other applicants?"
The blond replied: "well, like, yknow, i'm like totally a people person, and I am really friendly I'll be like great with customers!"
The brunette replied: "I can do things for myself, and I can be self directed. I am determined to be the best at what I do and if I'm good at something I want to be the best at it!"
The redhead replied: "I have a firey personality. I don't give up easily I can fight for my goals if I have to and I am passionate about my work!"
Q: so who got the job?
A: the one with the biggest boobs.
moral of the story: who cares? what's the real stigma going on here? I have never met anyone who was prejudiced against a haircolor except people who make a big deal about their haircolor. People might have a prejudice against people who like to find ways of making themselves out as victims though but that's bringing it on themselves.
Second theory: it's not the red hair, it's the accompanying pale skin and freckles.
I'm both chaotic and orderly. I value my own principles, and am willing to go to extreme lengths to enforce them, often trampling on the very same principles in the process. At best, I'm heroic and principled; at worst, I'm hypocritical and disorderly.
2011/03/29 02:08:40
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
Guitardian wrote:A blond, a brunette, and a redhead went to get a job.
All of them had great references, and excellent work history, and passed the drug test and background check and so on.
The manager asked each several questions, one was "what makes you stand out from the other applicants?"
The blond replied: "well, like, yknow, i'm like totally a people person, and I am really friendly I'll be like great with customers!"
The brunette replied: "I can do things for myself, and I can be self directed. I am determined to be the best at what I do and if I'm good at something I want to be the best at it!"
The redhead replied: "I have a firey personality. I don't give up easily I can fight for my goals if I have to and I am passionate about my work!"
Q: so who got the job?
A: the one with the biggest boobs.
2011/03/29 02:18:34
Subject: Why the prejudice against gingers/red-heads?
VoidAngel wrote:The french deserve everything any has ever been directed toward them. Gingers....not so much. You are comparing apples and anvils.
And there are no stupid wars, only stupid hippies. ;-P
Seriously, the french refused to support an ally that had fought and died FOR THEM, over an oil deal they'd cut with a genocidal madman. Don't gloss over that part. The war isn't about oil, but the french and Germans not doing their part when asked...was.
Really, dude? Still?
It was a stupid war*. They said 'this is a stupid war'. The claims about secret deals were greatly exagerated, the country making the most profit from food for oil wroughts was the US, Russia was second.
They supported and sent troops into Afghanistan. They just didn't follow into Iraq. Because it was a stupid war.
Seriously, let it go. There was a lot of crazy going around at the time. We all want to move past it. If you can just accept this, then the real antipathy to the French can disappear faster, and we can go back to telling French jokes sooner.
*The line about stupid hippies was funny. Points for that.
Truth is eternal. But hey, why cover this ground together again? I fully support your desire to get back to french jokes with all speed.
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