aka_mythos wrote:

Bloodwin wrote:I thought that FW had already said that the Chaos Dwarfs aren't meant to be an army in their own right...

Death By Monkeys wrote:Huh. And here I thought GW had banned FW from doing CD infantry and an armylist for them. Guess things change.

Originally the idea was that all the CD were only going to be available as allies. That "Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos" was to be a two part book, which if successful the second book would cover CD as a stand alone army. All the rumors of CD not being a stand alone army or being ban was only with regard to the "first" book... when GW wanted something smaller and more condensed, saving the rest for the second book. The author of the book left FW and it was decided to just release it as one big book containing the big mix and match list and a separate CD only list.

What we're seeing now is the pre-Tamurkhan book miniature release... there is suppose to be another release coinciding with the book... implications based on progress of models... the other "land train" sections, bull centaurs, and hellsmiths. Post rulebook release we will see hobgoblin wolf riders and hobgoblin slaves.

aka_mythos from Warseer wrote:From the French GD we now have break down of units for the Chaos Dwarfs:

Units:
Sorcerer lord

Heroes :
Daemonsmith
CD hero
Hobgoblin khan
BC hero

Core units :
CD Warriors
Hobgoblins

Special units :
Infernal guard
Wolf riders
Bull Centaurs
Kdiii (new monstrous infantry)
Magma cannon
Rocketteer

Rare units :
Iron daemon
Hellcannon
Dreadquake (earthshaker)
Kdii Monster

zhatan87 from Chaos Dwarfs Online wrote:Hi everybody!
I went to the french GD!
And there are many things to share with you!
I have forgot my camera (damn!!!!), but a friend take some pics that I will share as soon as possible.

1) Miniatures : no more minis than what we can see in other GD, so that I didn't take any pics. Some were lacking, such as the great taurus...
But CD minis are unbelievable : cute, great level of detail.
One of my favourite is the dreadquake!
CD crew are beauty, and the ogre slave is great!

2) I talked with FW people. They couldn't tell me much but what I got :Surprise
To the question of big hat : the taller, the better you are in the CD society.
To the question of hobgoblins : surprise.
To the other ; nothing.
But they said that we shoudn't wait all the entries in the list. So, I assume that they will make monsters and war machines (they have already done them), but if I should bid on something, I will say that no CD core units...

The CD book was there!
Yes I saw it! Not the complete throne book of tamurkhan, but I got in my hands the pdf of the CD list and fluff which will feature into it!
I was so happy
I take some pics, but I couldn't have all the pages of course... But many of them...
I think that it takes 30 to 40 pages (recto). So, I assume that there won't be a separate CD bookSad But, hey, still a CD list in the Tamurkhan book!

3) Fluff : as I wanted to concentrate on the list (to play the list as soon as possible), I didn't take time to read all the fluff, and I didn't take any pic of the fluff part.
But, of what I read, the fluff looks like very nearly to the old one, in the old 4th edition CD book. I found the same phrases.
There was included a topic on black orcs and the revolt, and how they were fired of the CD kingdom (maybe it was written to explain why there is no more orc and BO entry in the list)
Artwork are really good, very dark style, and as technology on the characters as they can draw.

4) The list : I love the fluffy rules they give to the army!
I have many pics to share with you!Happy (soon)
The CD list is rather good. Many things look pretty optimized (as I'm a tournament player).

Lord :
The list presents only one special character, and it is not Azgor. Maybe the list lacks entry???
He is riding a better great taurus (W5), for a cost of 500 pts.

The only lord entry is sorcerer lord.
265 pts. Sorcerer lord are level 3 sorcerer AND daemonsmith.
Lore of Hashut (yes we have!), lore of fire, metal and death. No more shadow.
Daemonsmith rule : within 3 inches of warmachine, gain look out sir rule, and relance artillery or scattery dice for one warmachine.
CD need daemonsmith as some misfire are pretty strong...
You need daemonsmith in order to get some entry (kdiii, warmachines, etc...)
Fluffy rule : if miscast, another fact : 1Wound lost (without save) but gain +1T as they become to change to stone! One time for the +1 T (but not for the -1W)...
Can ride lamassu and great taurus.
Great taurus : same as before with new rule.
Lamassu : they say to refer to "storm of magic" book!
All CD characters come with the black armour for free!

Heroes :
Daemonsmith : 95 pts
level 1, fire, metal and death
Daemonsmith have an enchanted blade, they throw on the chart in order to know what is the gain (such as eternal hattred, reroll, etc...)

CD hero : 105 pts
T5 and LD 9 now
Come with the GREAT rule : Stubborn!

Hobgoblin khan : 40 pts
WS4.

BC hero : I will describe them in BC units. Do not look at the older version any more!

Core units :
CD core units :
Same as before, can have great weapon, shield or blunderbusses.
Blunderbusses : as described on warseer : range 12, S3 piercing.
1d3 multiple shots (roll one time for the unit).
If 10 blunder : no more long range and stand and shoot reaction penality
If 20 or more : reroll to wound

Hobgoblins : 4 pts
Come with light armour and throwing knives
Animosity : great change, very fluffy. No test if CD or BC within 6.
1 : panic test (coward!) If succeed, act as normal.
2-5 : act as normal
6 : bloody murderers! 1D3 wounds, then get reroll to hit.
Backstabber rule : very fluffy too! : if restrain to pursue, fleeing unit suffer 1D6 S3 hits for each 10 hobgoblins


Special units :
No more BO, orcs or goblins
No more sneaky gits
No more bolt thrower

Infernal guard : Changes!
WS5, stubborn now!
13 pts, +1 pt for shield
Fireglaves can have shields

Wolf riders : mongol look
7 pts (????? Should be an error!)
unit size 5+.
Fluffy rules : if they charge from rear or flanck, +1 to combat resolution. If charged, -1 to hit roll.

BC unit : monstruous beasts
M7WS4S4T5W2I3A2LD8
Have scaly skin rule (5+). Have heavy armour.
Can have shield (5 pts), great weapon (10 pts), or spears (5 pts)
Cause fear!
Characters are the same : hero : S5T5W3A4. Cause fear, may have black armour (but not BC units)

New unit : Kdiiiiiiii
Bound daemon!
Monstruous infantry
M6WS5S5T4W3I4A3LD8
Unbreakable, unstable
Fear, flamming attack
Ward save 4+, 2+ ward save against flamming attacks
One rule say that every model in base to base (but not other Kdiii) suffer 1S4 hit, flamming
Another rule is very fluffy : CD sorcerer summon these creatures. With time, they lost power on them.
At the beginning of the 2dn turn, and for each turn, toughness test. If failed, 1D3 wound without save.

Magma cannon : 145 pts
war machine
flamme thrower, range 24.
S5, 1D3 wound

Rocketteer : 100 pts
Our old death rocket.
war machine
Stone thrower, S3 flamming, S8 1D6 wounds


Rare units :
Iron daemon : changes :
S8T8W8 on the list. S8T6W6 on the fluffy part.
Every warmachines can have hellbound amelioration :
hellbound : magical, cause fear, +1T and +1W. But is misfire, additionnal 1D3 wound (no save)

Hellcannon
Chaos giant siege

Dreadquake : 155 pts
our new earthshaker!
war machine
Got an ogre slave. Can have another one for 20 pts (so we can reach 9 wounds!)
S5 template, S10 1D6 wounds.
Quake wave : dangerous test for the unit if they want to move or fire. No march move, no charge.
Slow to fire : if the ogre slave is slain, 3+ to fire.
-1 on misfire chart
My feeling : good value unit!

Finally, our NEW MONSTER : Kdii Monster
Contrary to what we thought, the artwork that shown a taurus in fusion is the Kdii! Looks like a golem bull!
M9WS5S7T6W6I5A6Ld8
Unbreakable, unstable
Frenzy +1D3
Flamming attack, terror, large target
Ward save 4+, 2+ ward save against flamming attacks
Same rules as Kdii


Hashut lore : soon but I found only two spells not as usefull as the others.
Lore attribute : +1D3 casting against Flammable...
Signature spell : range 12 : get hatred rule. Boost version : all unit in 12 Happy
Sixth spell : Flames of Azgorh are back!!!!!! And yes they are!
Small template, scatter 1D6. S6, 1D6 wound.
+ under the center : Toughness test -2 or slain (no save).
25+ : boost version : great template

9 Magics items. Rather good but as in the TK book.


That's all folks!

My feeling : I fear that we won't have our own CD book (to costly). But the CD list is good.
Miniatures are great, cute, well designed and great amount of details.
The CD list is rather good, and very fluffy!
Ravening Hordes list isn't gone, as the two lists are very differents way to play!
We shouldn't wait FW to make all the range, so, everybody here, that have allways loved to be free to have their own vision of their mini, still have this possibility!
To Thommy H : this is a reason why CDO won't die!

Mattlov wrote:Pretty sexy, but too expensive to make an army from. Which is saying something for a GW product.

RiTides wrote:It would depend on the tournament, I believe... but I expect most will allow them, it will be a rare army with all FW pieces, and I would love to play against something like that...

aka_mythos wrote:We've yet to see the actual rank and file. The Infernal Guard are specials and should be considered on the same level as Dwarf Hammerers... those sell for about the same $50 per 10 that the Infernal Guard do, while the Infernal Guard are a better quality. Then again if you're talking about mantic, your price point is probably too low for anything GW.