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Kanluwen wrote:
So where were the people calling for Pete Haines or Cavatore's heads?
There were plenty.
There were plenty of people who I remember just thought they were twits. I don't remember people calling for them to be fired or physically harmed like they do for Ward.
1. Print your letter on one side of paper (any longer and no one will read it). Hand-sign it.
2. Double, triple check spelling and grammar.
3. Don't rant. Post a reasonable and thought-out argument. Make your points very clear and concise. Focus on how the changes effect you personally, you do not represent the whole world.
4. Make it clear you want a response back.
5. Repost the text of the letter here so people can base their own letters on it.
6. Send it to the following people:
Tom Kirby
Mark Wells
Kevin Rountree
all at:
Games Workshop
Willow Road
Lenton
Nottingham
NG7 2WS
In an age of email, paper letters remain one of the most impactful ways to get a point across. You have time to compose a well thought out argument, and no one actually gets letters any more.
that is very true. A letter is alot more likely to get a reply than an email. You'd think it would be easier to ignore but it is not!
although you will likely get a reply amounting to what happened in the Simpsons with the "cosmic wars episode"
"Hey Warhammer fan, thank you for showing how much you love our products! as a thank you here is a single hair from Tom Kirby's head for you to cherish"(no we wouldnt give you a free model or even a piece of sprue what were you thinking hahah)
yours
Mark
poor Admin Clerk assigned to respond to disgusted customers.
Cant blame them though, they have dozens of people milking money from off their product, so obviously their interests come first. But that doesnt justify abusing your customers.
Clearly everything they are doing right now is aimed at disabling the online retailers and "encouraging" people to go to GW stores and GW online by making it mandatory when all the fine cast stuff goes back to direct only. GW Online is the end game, it means total profits.
This is GW controling the hype again and encouraging white dwarf sales, well "attemping" anyway. I couldnt tell you what their thinking is on this, it comes off as them being high on their own farts again thinking they can do no wrong.
I'd tell you all to tell GW how you feel with your wallets but they dont get it, they just increase prices...
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
Gus_Papas wrote:There are few things worse than waking up sick on a Tuesday to find that one of your favorite pastimes is crumbling all around you...
Now you know my world.
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
Lord Scythican wrote:I have half a mind to sell my 40K models and buy some Forgeworld stuff. Only a few more price hikes, and they will be about the same price.
That'll show 'em! Sell your current armies and give them more of your money by buying even more expensive crap.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
also does amnybody have a pre-written letter I could borrow, I'm not very good at letter wirting yet
Yeah I think we need some sort of well written letter that lists the general issues we are all having at the moment. It needs to be clear, concise, tactful, and respectful. Then everyone can add their own flavour to it and send it to GW. Somebody want to start up a letter so we can all look over it, edit, and make comments and suggestions for it?
Gee. Who'd have thought they'd lock down their wall after the Internet chatter on Forums, which they do visit, said to post any kind of frustration you have with them on their wall.
Lord Scythican wrote:I have half a mind to sell my 40K models and buy some Forgeworld stuff. Only a few more price hikes, and they will be about the same price.
That'll show 'em! Sell your current armies and give them more of your money by buying even more expensive crap.
While you make a valid point, I guess I should elaborate on my reasoning. If I sell all my GW stuff and buy me a Death Korps of Krieg army I will finally be content. I wouldn't need to buy anything else ever again if I had my favorite army.
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So, you're not actually teaching GW a lesson; you're actually doing what they want you to do. Sell you stuff, of better yet throw it away and buy all new stuff from them. Your example's even worse because FW is so expensive that you can buy 2 or 3 complete armies for the price of the one you're thinking about.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
agnosto wrote:So, you're not actually teaching GW a lesson; you're actually doing what they want you to do. Sell you stuff, of better yet throw it away and buy all new stuff from them. Your example's even worse because FW is so expensive that you can buy 2 or 3 complete armies for the price of the one you're thinking about.
No its not. I buy probably 10,000 points worth of GW stuff a year. If I sold what I currently have and bought the last army I would ever own, I could exit this nonsense with at least somethng that I want. I would effectively quitting the game.
Seriously I sold a couple grand of Nids last year to buy a couple grand of Dark Eldar and Blood Angels this year. I will probably do the same for Necrons and Sisters of Battle. However if I went with the forgeworld plan, I would pretty much be out of the game.
I actually tried to do this last year. To get the Death Korps army I need I would have to have around $2000.00. But if I did, I would be content and not spend another dime on GW products. As it stands, I spend a couple hundred a month, sell off some, and buy more.
Of course my original point is kind of lost. Originally I meant, hey I might as well buy Forgeworld since GW is almost the same price.
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Lord Scythican wrote:Yeah I think we need some sort of well written letter that lists the general issues we are all having at the moment. It needs to be clear, concise, tactful, and respectful. Then everyone can add their own flavour to it and send it to GW. Somebody want to start up a letter so we can all look over it, edit, and make comments and suggestions for it?
yeah, if I wrote my own it would just be "Dear GW, Frack your and your stupid price rises and Frack your Fethed-up Independent retailer policy, In fact, I'm moving to Infinity [insert giant middle finger pic here]"
agnosto wrote:So, you're not actually teaching GW a lesson; you're actually doing what they want you to do. Sell you stuff, of better yet throw it away and buy all new stuff from them. Your example's even worse because FW is so expensive that you can buy 2 or 3 complete armies for the price of the one you're thinking about.
Apparently, it's cheaper for people in Oz to buy the FW kits that include the GW plastics as an afterthought than to buy the GW plastics direct. While in this case he's teaching no one a lesson, it would be a bit of a sting if he were down under.
Lycaeus Wrex wrote:This is actually hilarious. I've never seen such unadulterated venom being projected at a business before.
Where have you been. This kind of thing is standard on GW-related forums. For some reason people are then upset when their indiscriminate ranting falls on deaf ears.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Lord Scythican wrote:Yeah I think we need some sort of well written letter that lists the general issues we are all having at the moment. It needs to be clear, concise, tactful, and respectful. Then everyone can add their own flavour to it and send it to GW. Somebody want to start up a letter so we can all look over it, edit, and make comments and suggestions for it?
yeah, if I wrote my own it would just be "Dear GW, Frack your and your stupid price rises and Frack your Fethed-up Independent retailer policy, In fact, I'm moving to Infinity [insert giant middle finger pic here]"
So in other words, you are asking for a little help. A general letter filled with complaints and not harsh language seems like it would rather useful then.
Okay someone want to write something for us to look over? (Don't let FM Ninja write it...)
Isn't this so strange though? We dislike how they treat us, yet we always come back for more until we are fed up with them. After we exit the game, a few ignorant kids with their mother show up at a store and replace us. No wonder GW does things the way they do.
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You can't argue guys, thats not a salution. If you want to sell your army and buy death korps, we get it but it doesn't really help. However if thats what you want we see your point, go for it!
However it needs to stay on topic, the point is, writing several letters, if not a template letter so every one can add flavor, we just need some one whom is decent at writing such a thing.
(Where is Ben Franklin when you need the guy!?)
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Kanluwen wrote:
So where were the people calling for Pete Haines or Cavatore's heads?
There were plenty.
There were plenty of people who I remember just thought they were twits. I don't remember people calling for them to be fired or physically harmed like they do for Ward.
I don't remember any about Alessio either, but I remember a LOT about Pete Haines. Not near the Ward level though.
Nüb wrote:You can't argue guys, thats not a salution. If you want to sell your army and buy death korps, we get it but it doesn't really help. However if thats what you want we see your point, go for it!
However it needs to stay on topic, the point is, writing several letters, if not a template letter so every one can add flavor, we just need some one whom is decent at writing such a thing.
(Where is Ben Franklin when you need the guy!?)
I am trying to make that point as well. The whole forgeworld thing will not help the problem, but it would be a nice way to exit the hobby. It is like my comments towards speaking with your wallet. It doesn't help the overall issue.
I did the same with Magic the Gathering. I sold all my cards and bought something else. I look at the new cards and wish they would get their act together but they won't. If a few thousand people a month sent some letters for a year, I bet GW would listen eventually. I just don't think it will happen. I will waste my time writing a letter than will be 1 of 20. I might as well jump ship and start collecting home decor with my wife.
but theres so many other miniature games out there!
also if you want a middle ground, shop on ebay or use proxy models!
the only way to really let a retail company know you dont like their behavior is with your wallet. GW may eventually go to the wall but its likely someone (hopefully with more brains) will take it over.
Lord Scythican wrote:Yeah I think we need some sort of well written letter that lists the general issues we are all having at the moment. It needs to be clear, concise, tactful, and respectful. Then everyone can add their own flavour to it and send it to GW. Somebody want to start up a letter so we can all look over it, edit, and make comments and suggestions for it?
Nüb wrote:However it needs to stay on topic, the point is, writing several letters, if not a template letter so every one can add flavor, we just need some one whom is decent at writing such a thing.
(Where is Ben Franklin when you need the guy!?)
If no-one's stepped up by Thursday, I may have a pop at it. I can't guarantee the quality, but I'd like to argue I can be concise, tactful and respectful whilst my English is good. Letter-writing, maybe not-so-much, but if no-one has offered to by Thursday I'd be willing to try...
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
Lord Scythican wrote:Yeah I think we need some sort of well written letter that lists the general issues we are all having at the moment. It needs to be clear, concise, tactful, and respectful. Then everyone can add their own flavour to it and send it to GW. Somebody want to start up a letter so we can all look over it, edit, and make comments and suggestions for it?
Nüb wrote:However it needs to stay on topic, the point is, writing several letters, if not a template letter so every one can add flavor, we just need some one whom is decent at writing such a thing.
(Where is Ben Franklin when you need the guy!?)
If no-one's stepped up by Thursday, I may have a pop at it. I can't guarantee the quality, but I'd like to argue I can be concise, tactful and respectful whilst my English is good. Letter-writing, maybe not-so-much, but if no-one has offered to by Thursday I'd be willing to try...
I can write actually pretty good if I want, but I prefer to edit...
Clearly GW will respond to your letters by increasing the prices due to the need for a bigger mail box...
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
