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I've only got one foot in the door at this point.

Starting a Vampire Counts WHFB army next month, and most of that money is going to be spent on Mantic Miniatures to be honest

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Support your LGS by buying non GW Josh

As for "ragequitting"
Nah
very calm, rational and happy about it
So there is no need to shout Henners

I will still buy paint, brushes, dice, single kits and whatnot through my LGS, but when I need to get a bunch of stuff at once I can't pass up 20% off.

Ravenous D wrote: I find the rage quiters entertaining considering they are all jumping ship to GW-lite, its like trading up crack for worse lookingcrack but makes you feel better

Doesn't that depend on what people have traded their GW "hobby" for? I can say, hand on heart, that the systems I have moved on to are, in my opinion, far better looking than GW products.....of course, like your statement, that's just my opinion.

Second to that, I have the utmost respect for the "rage quitters" as you call them, at least they're honest to themselves and they are prepared to stand up for what they think is right.

I'd sooner shake the hand of someone who quits GW for a "lesser" product in order to make their point, then someone who hates being treated like rubbish, but is too weak willed to pull themselves away.

Delephont wrote:

Ravenous D wrote: I find the rage quiters entertaining considering they are all jumping ship to GW-lite, its like trading up crack for worse lookingcrack but makes you feel better

Doesn't that depend on what people have traded their GW "hobby" for? I can say, hand on heart, that the systems I have moved on to are, in my opinion, far better looking than GW products.....of course, like your statement, that's just my opinion.

Second to that, I have the utmost respect for the "rage quitters" as you call them, at least they're honest to themselves and they are prepared to stand up for what they think is right.

I'd sooner shake the hand of someone who quits GW for a "lesser" product in order to make their point, then someone who hates being treated like rubbish, but is too weak willed to pull themselves away.

It's really not about being "Too Weak". 40k Is not life or death, it's a hobby, and a Hobby that I enjoy so I will continue to buy product and play. I have a decent paying job that allows me to buy the stuff whether or not they raise the price so whatever. Boycott and switch over to other game systems if you like, but honestly who cares? This isn't healthcare we are talking about...

I firmly stopped with WFB when 8th edition came out. I have no intention to purchase any WFB products moving forward until a new rules edition. So that's probably 2-3 years away.

I moved back to 40k this month. But really have no need to buy any newer models. I have obtained the bikes I need for a Ravenwing army, which is more of a personal army / goal. I have a CSM army that was 1750 from 2 years ago. That will do fine. I have enough marines to build if needed, and I have enough lesser demons. I have no problem playing. But minus paints, I think i'm done purchasing from them as a store.

I will support my LFGS. I needed a few odds and ends for Bike parts, so I visited and purchase 1 box from them, then 1 from GW as I was playing in a tournment. This is an exception: I have a personal feeling if you play in a tournment you should purchase something. Minus that I moved onto WMHD.

I'm not saying i'm quitting, to often I here that from people and my response is just play with what you have. Its the perfect opportunity to be more mindful with ones own spending given our present financial issues in the US.

Exactly, it just stems from laziness, if you really like something you find the way to make it work for you in the best way possible. Everything you do in life is related, the effort you put into anything speaks volumes of your character.

Me for example, I dont pay a damn thing for 40k, between commissions and my huge discount at a local shop all I'm really giving up is a little time.

Am I not happy with GW over price rises? Sure, but guess what? Gas and Food prices are skyrocketing too, so maybe it means people should start getting smarter instead of asking for hand outs or jumping ship to the exact same thing with the illusion that its better. 90% of Warmahordes players Ive met seem to have overwhelming daddy issues towards GW like they took a dump on your car or something.

You can play 40k and hate GW at the same time and not give them a dime, you just have to use your head and put something that no one seems to have these days into it; Commitment. Share books, recast models (not for sale so totally legal) and finish models before you buy more!

I mean how many armies and things were you guys buying? Like holy **** guys, if you are blowing more then $1000/year on wargaming in general and you cant afford it then maybe its a good time to accept reality and live within your means instead.

I have no sympathy for people that live paycheque to paycheque.

I guess quite a few people are like me, they didn't suddenly snap and 'quit' they have just let their purchases run down to almost nothing. The last Games Workshop I had were a couple of forgworld figures in March and before that were the Sanguinary Guard that my wife got me for christmas and I think before that I bought Commander Pask for one of my Leman Russes last summer. That's nearly a year's worth of purchases. I didn't used to be like that but I just started making a pass on GW and buying other stuff. I'm hoping to get a Celestine for my wife on a visit my old LGS this coming week but otherwise have no plans to buy GW for the foreseeable.

On the other hand, I have some great Doctor Who figures that need painting, there's plenty more to do in this hobby without picking up any GW. My main beef with GW isn't their prices, the current price rise came as no surprise at all, but I don't like they way other companies are being molested by them with C&Ds and other aggressive nonsense. Because then I get the impression that I can't avoid them, I can't even go to a different company without them trying to stamp on my toys.

The only stuff I buy will be second hand marine stuff; roll on Claymore in august! I was looking forward to the Necron new stuff but I won't be parting with any money for them.

I was already pretty much done buying for my two armies before the recent announcements, so in that respect nothing has changed. I'm still playing, painting and going to tournies.

It did make up my mind that I'm not going to start up a new army. I was considering slowly starting a GK or DE army with tourney winnings, but I've decided instead to just 'sell' my winnings at a discount to other players. I may buy some new kits if my armies ever get redone, but I won't be starting a new one.

Gosh, everyone's so angry.

The price rises that have been occurring in the last few years have definitely curtailed my spending with GW. More price rises will make that even more so the case. Plus, I have an irrational hatred of resin. Can't stand the stuff. So that's going to make an impact. They still make some really nice stuff though, so I'll pick up the odd thing. I guess I will be going quietly into that good night, not with sound and fury, but with an occassional sad look over my shoulder.

Of course, I'm not going to stop playing. I already have all these miniatures, that would be utterly moronic.

I was only looking to complete a second army (Blood Angels) and got my stuff in before price increases. The only things that I will probably ever get from GW in the future are DE-related (Voidraven, maybe a few kits here and there to supplement the 5000+ pts I already have), but I hope to spend tourney prize money on that rather than anything more out of pocket. I have zero interest in anything Finecast.

To be fair, I was probably looking to "retire" from buying new models before most of this stuff hit, but this pretty much sealed it.

Aye im out, 13 years of a crap company i always thought would get better, love 40k got two 5k armies and a 1500 so ill either keep them n play a bit or sell them dont care much tbh. Still going to be collecting minis but nothing from GW, hope that new games are as interesting/fun.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:So, its been a couple of weeks now since the solids hit the air conditioning and the nerdrage seems to have cooled from volcano-level boil to a mere furious simmer, so I thought I'd do a quick poll.

For those who have been living under a rock and don't know why I'm asking this question, GW has in the last 2 weeks:
1. Changed to a cheaper casting material yet increased prices up to 30%
2. Embargoed independant retailers from selling outside of Europe to force people in the rest of the world to pay much higher prices locally
3. **Disclaimer, rumour only** GW want to force independant retailers to only sell at RRP and not offer discounts
4. Issued a C&D to a company for making a model whose head is apparently too similar to the head of a model GW haven't made for 15 years (a minor point in the grand scheme of things, but still...)
5. Enforced total secrecy on all new releases, no more than 1 weeks warning of new product, WD subscribers to not get the magazine until after it is on sale in shops


We all know that only losing customers will force GW to change, but how many of you will actually give up?

It won't effect me that much at all. I don't purchase much anymore as I have enough to paint and assemble, plus I tend to buy others collections instead of buying new.


As for your points?

1. Does not bother me as it is mainly Special Characters ( as far as I know) so I did not really buy them in the first place. PLus it might make converting and kit bashing easier, so it might be worth it.
2. I live in the US so this does not effect me at all. Plus I already know of a complete and legal work around( depending on exact wording of the Terms) If i was Malstrom I could be selling back in the South in a matter of a week.
3. GW tried this years ago, and there is a reason they went away from it. Use to GW would make you get permission to have a sale on GW products.
4. Sorry, but if GW does not try to defend all of it's IP then it could lose ALL of it's IP So a company thats biggest asset is IP, must defend it at all cost.
5. This is their right. We as customers have not right to know what they are working on, or when this will be released. Do I like to know? Sure, but it does not mean I have to know.

Not trying to stand up for GW, but I just look at things from a realistic point of view.

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Joshawa wrote:

Delephont wrote:

Ravenous D wrote: I find the rage quiters entertaining considering they are all jumping ship to GW-lite, its like trading up crack for worse lookingcrack but makes you feel better

Doesn't that depend on what people have traded their GW "hobby" for? I can say, hand on heart, that the systems I have moved on to are, in my opinion, far better looking than GW products.....of course, like your statement, that's just my opinion.

Second to that, I have the utmost respect for the "rage quitters" as you call them, at least they're honest to themselves and they are prepared to stand up for what they think is right.

I'd sooner shake the hand of someone who quits GW for a "lesser" product in order to make their point, then someone who hates being treated like rubbish, but is too weak willed to pull themselves away.

It's really not about being "Too Weak". 40k Is not life or death, it's a hobby, and a Hobby that I enjoy so I will continue to buy product and play. I have a decent paying job that allows me to buy the stuff whether or not they raise the price so whatever. Boycott and switch over to other game systems if you like, but honestly who cares? This isn't healthcare we are talking about...

Yeah but my comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you. If you read my comment carefully, I'm simple saying I respect those who don't agree with GW and jump the ship no matter what, as opposed to those who complain endlessly about GW but slavishly carry on buying.

From your post you seem to be in the catagory who isn't particulary bothered by GW strategies and have decided to carry on as normal. Fair play to you.....my comment wasn't directed at you at all.

I stopped buying GW stuff directly BEFORE it was cool.

I'll probably start buying for independant retailers for discount, only using the local GW for the odds and ends. Why? Because I still want to support the local store.

(The fact that my best mate's other half is the manager may be a slight influencing factor. She would stab me if I abandoned her ; ; )

Some of us can still afford these figures even at the higher prices.

However, its more a case of feeling stupid paying so much money for an army of plastic figures I still need to assemble and paint. There is just too little ROI since there are other companies making good miniatures.

So I will only purchase the occassional model that I REALLY like so as not to feel too silly.

I plan on continuing with GW.

I make all my 'big' purchases in the 'used' and 'trade' market anyway, I only buy new to get something specific and extra bits to convert with. You really can do well on a budget (of sorts!). I still think their stuff is the best looking and most interesting. I just fail to get interested in other systems (like WM) - maybe I will try them out sometime.

As a businessman, I can see that their price increase is important, since they WILL be selling less. All businesses have to raise their prices all the time. You have to. I do. What do you think is costing LESS for ANY company? Everything costs more - the only thing that can be cheaper (sometimes) is people, and you don't want to hire 'cheap' people!! Yikes! Wanna stay in business? You either 'grow' or 'go'. There is no such thing as 'just stay the same as you were years ago'. Won't work, can't happen.

I have given up any budding plans in my brain to start a WHFB army. Too much $$$ to start into it.

My fear is if they lose customers, they may fail to get new ones -- if the entry price is too high - and that affects my (and my son's) future pool of 40K opponents!

Oh well, no nerdrage from me yet... I just bought some great Battlefleet Gothic stuff from Bartertown!! Time to learn a new game!!

I hadn't bought anything for a good 6-7 months before this increase, happy to maintain my slow modelling pace. It has spurred me to buy a pair of Valkyries, but thats it now. Watch out for my (sparse) P&M blog detailing their creation.

I was considering several projects; creating an armoured regiment to compliment my airborne vets, a true-scale Relictors army, and starting a VC Bretonian themed army. These projects are all on indefinite hiatus as of the 28th.

Sorry GW, you've just priced me out of your market. Oh well, Johnny schoolboy will wander in and buy his first tactical squad and starter paint set to replace me.

I bought a can of black GW spray paint the other week. It was actually cheaper than the Army Painter spray. GW have now fixed that error. The last 'new' model I bought was a Brood Lord when they were first released.

Lost Boyz wrote:
My fear is if they lose customers, they may fail to get new ones -- if the entry price is too high - and that affects my (and my son's) future pool of 40K opponents!

That's where I am on this. The price hike doesn't affect me all that much directly. I can afford what I want. As the prices drive others out of the hobby and fewer new people bother to start the number of locally available opponents is going to dwindle. Once I can't get in games on a regular basis, I'll probably start fading out of the hobby and go back to making 1/35th scale tanks or just playing computer games.

I Stopped buying before all these events.

I will still scour eBay and trade for the minis and tanks I need to finish of my IG project (it won't get played but I cant leave a project unfinished and its only a commander, 3 chimeras and a few Russes from the finish).

I will still play the odd game but most of my stuff is being handed to my kids to play with, so they wont be needing to buy from GW either.

I haven't abandoned GW completely but they are not getting my cash directly, and I am playing their games systems even less.

Pretty soon I will be able to ignore any new HH releases from Black Library too.

Give me a month and I won't even be able to remember what my IG needed to hit.

There are a lot of reasons why I am not buying GW. But Honestly, Their particular niche no longer nourishes my gaming urges.

It doesn't change anything for me. I buy things very, very slowly and it takes me months to finish anything, so price hikes haven't caused me any issues. I hate them for sure, but they won't get in the way of my hobby. I love the Warhammer 40k universe and the conversion opportunities the range provides, so I like to think that I will amongst the last to jump ship. And when I do, it would also likely be my leave from the world of Wargaming entirely.

It's a hobby. Hobbies are expensive in general. Ask the Nitro RC car guys and RC Plane guys, they will drop your jaw with some of their parts and upgrade costs.

I trade on the Swap Shop when I can. I browse eBay occasionally.. but my local GW store (GW Marysville, WA) is run by, IMO, one of the best store manger/operators I have ever worked with, so I'm happy to give him my business and help ensure that his brick and mortar location stays open.

It might be a hobby but that doesn't mean to say it HAS to be expensive.
That sort of excuse just feeds GW's delusions into thinking that they can get away with unjustifiable prices.

And why in the world are you so happy to have to pay more? That is a strange attitude.
YAY prices up 20%
All this, "it is a niche porche luxury" is absolute bunkum.

Maybe coming to gaming late and having other interests helps put things into perspective. I have never known a company deal with its customer base in such a way.
For the customers go back and say whoopee hurt me some more please is a tad worrying.

Some of you guys need counselling!

I'm not -happy- to pay more, I'm just saying it's not exactly a world ending 20% price hike that will result in my abandoning 12 years of playing 40k. I love the game, I love the fluff, I love the models.

Complaining about the price hike isn't going to change anything. So why bother? Will it delay me starting my next army (Probably eldar)... maybe slightly.. but not any more than the price of gas and food and my utilities have delayed it as well.

I've been on a personal moratorium this year due to family issues. I'll see how I feel about it later. Got plenty of stuff to paint as is.

I'm stopping for the time being to see if it will have an impact. In the meantime, I'm using existing models to put together some Mordheim warbands for some fun.

To be honest, I've got enough models for 1000pt Fantasy and 40K armies and this is the kind of level I play at.

I only realisticly see myself buying something first hand from GW when I REALLY want to model and build it myself.

I will still be buying their stuff, but from other people. Mainly Swap Shop and Ebay.