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swuk wrote:Ref

Also, look up the difference between "aesthetic" and "anesthetic." Might cause you less trouble in the forseeable future.

Im glad you appreciate that minor errors stand out like a sore thumb to the informed eye. ( yes my spelling is as bad as GW artistic errors ) Guilty as charged lol.

Indeed you are, though errors due to opinion of what something should look like and misspellings leading to a completely different word are in a bit of a different category. One is opinion, the other is an actual mistake.
Toodle-pip.

Horses for courses.


The IG suffer less from stylistic mistakes than others. Perhaps because GW doesn't have to create but dip into history. that said the Sentinel looks so out of place , and in the same way as the Ork in Mega Armour with Kombi Shoota-Rokkit Launcher looks so out of place in the Orc line up

When viewed in a vacuum the individual miniatures may look cool. But as part of an army line up each and every side has dozens of inclusions which look out of place.

The SM dreadnought looks far more at home in its army line up than similar mechwarrior units look in their army parade.

Q where is the Army whose main theme is the " mechwarrior "

An army which by definition will have the coolest mechwarriors in the game.

Most of the Orc Mech warriors look to straight , a vanilla mech warrior with a vanilla Orc plonked unceremoniously in the driving seat.....What are Orc doing with half a dozen mechwarriors style units anyway...its not thier theme ? I hope you can see where im coming from, Horses for courses.



Now if you asked me to design a mechwarrior for the Orcs i would first have to ask myself from what Army & Culture did they steal it from ? Did they build a copy in their own style as they see fit & refine their version until " in their Orcian minds " it was " way better than their foe's battlefield offerings "

Im not seeing that kind of depth being applied to Armies , Im seeing mechwarriors are cool lets give every side loads of em, and in doing so flushing each sides artistic provenance down the toilet.

Does anyone still have a clue what he's talking about?

When did mechwarrior fuse with 40k?

Soladrin wrote:Does anyone still have a clue what he's talking about?

Not really

When did mechwarrior fuse with 40k?

I think at the same point as when steampunk powered rainbow unicorns took over Washington DC...

Ah offcourse, sorry I haven't been paying attention in my history classes.

He's trying to say that the style is generic. The Orks are generic, their suits are generic mech suits. In other words, he's speaking for the sake of speaking, and doesn't really have a point.

SilverMK2 wrote:

When did mechwarrior fuse with 40k?

I think at the same point as when steampunk powered rainbow unicorns took over Washington DC...

And they used strawberries to do that.

Ref When did mechwarrior fuse with 40k?

They haven't , but GW stole someone else Icon and shoe horned it into almost every 40k army.

That is their dual mistake

1 the proliferation of mechwarriors
2 shoehorning them in regardless of style or theme

some of the mechwariors look home grown, but MANY stick out like a sore thumb.

If GW had imagination & creativity it could make their own full on mechwarrior side from which all the other 40k Armies could steal blueprints or copy from.

That would then provide all the mechwarriors in the 40k universe with provenance & history.



My main thrust

Had GW stolen ideas and then refined and integrated them seamlessly into their universe they would be in a defensible position.
Had they of their own back created x,y,z themes and ICON's and developed them to their full height it would be in a good position to say the world had copied them.
To steal or create and then fail to develop and polish just lets your enemies overrun you down the road with their highly polished visions.
Its not just about style , its about good business. Too often a company gets a head start and rest on its laurels. ( the British Motorcycle Industry a prime example )

They took nothing from mechwarrior, the entire design of all the things you've mentioned is completely different. The closest thing we have are Tau Battlesuits, and those in such a different scale and again different design that your argument has no merit at all.

It's like saying every game with a robot or something even approaching that is ripping of mechwarrior.

*wonders if he is going to talk about GW ripping off WOW*

Those bastards at GW ripped off Morecambe and Wise when writing the space wolf codex and the scabs from Nottingham heralded Thatcher when talking about Orks.

Don't they have any brains of their own GRRRRRRRRR

Just a comment.....GW models have gotten progressivly better than they were 20 years ago....

ref They took nothing from mechwarrior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattleTech

It is not who stole from who that is important

whoever has gained spiritual ownership through integration is the winner


Because the mechwarriors in 40k looked plonked in and not integrated ( some are integrated most are not ) It rightly gives the impression that GW stole the idea , and lacks the creative ability to integrate that idea.

To make a 40k army , i may as well wander a toy store blindfolded and fill my basket that way...that is the impression most of the armies in 40k give me

Give an example of "plonked in" mechwarriors. And no, it does not rightly give the idea, because you are wrong. The faction with the largest number of mechs? Tau, and those are very well integrated. Dreadnaughts are too, so are Kans and Titans.

http://xkcd.com/722/

I think he's just a troll...
Maybe we should let this thread die.

Yeah. Sorry, swuk. Tried to be helpful, but you've gone off the deep end. When you start stating your opinion as though it were fact, you are no longer playing in the adult end of the pool, and have moved into the Jesse Jackson/Bill O'Reilly end of the spectrum. You're up on a soapbox, and you don't want to convince anyone of anything or discuss your arguments like a grown up. You're just spouting your opinions to hear yourself speak. And if you want to do that, that's fine. Next time, just say that up front so I can ignore the thread from the get-go rather than trying to help you out.

TrollPie wrote:I think he's just a troll...
Maybe we should let this thread die.

Not yet, not yet, we need to harvest more lulz from it Besides, I think we all realized he's a troll but are now toying with him to try and see how much more nonsense we can get

Jimsolo wrote:Yeah. Sorry, swuk. Tried to be helpful, but you've gone off the deep end. When you start stating your opinion as though it were fact, you are no longer playing in the adult end of the pool, and have moved into the Jesse Jackson/Bill O'Reilly end of the spectrum. You're up on a soapbox, and you don't want to convince anyone of anything or discuss your arguments like a grown up. You're just spouting your opinions to hear yourself speak. And if you want to do that, that's fine. Next time, just say that up front so I can ignore the thread from the get-go rather than trying to help you out.

Hang on...
You can understand what he is saying?
I've read all his posts about 5 times and i have no idea what his point is.

purplefood wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Yeah. Sorry, swuk. Tried to be helpful, but you've gone off the deep end. When you start stating your opinion as though it were fact, you are no longer playing in the adult end of the pool, and have moved into the Jesse Jackson/Bill O'Reilly end of the spectrum. You're up on a soapbox, and you don't want to convince anyone of anything or discuss your arguments like a grown up. You're just spouting your opinions to hear yourself speak. And if you want to do that, that's fine. Next time, just say that up front so I can ignore the thread from the get-go rather than trying to help you out.

Hang on...
You can understand what he is saying?
I've read all his posts about 5 times and i have no idea what his point is.

I seem to have the same problem. I understand some things he is saying but does not help understanding the big picture. Where is shiny when you need it (you know what I'm talking about purplefood)

He's talking about genericsism, that there is no artistic flare, that all the concepts in 40k are boring an unoriginal. He is wrong in many of his points, like the argument that mechs in 40k are out of place and are somehow direct rip-offs of battletech. His ideas are presented horribly, bad grammar, punctuation, text layout, the excessive use of quote marks and bold, and language better suited to an art or philosophical studies exam, all contribute to this joke of an argument.

Really?
If i wasn't the polite and politically correct person i am i would make several distasteful comments regarding his observational skills and how they directly relate to his IQ. But i'm nice so i won't...

Very little is truly original, a lot of things are beautifully so but since many narratives become a part of our culture we cannot help but be influenced by them.
As to his point on the walkers being out of place... well that doesn't really make sense.

I agree. There's still room for originality, but many ideas I have seen have been ridiculed because they look too similar to some specific concept in some book from the 70s, which the creator has most likely never even heard of.

How could you say that GW artwork is uninspired when they have given us the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT?

Oh no. The CRASSUS has arrived to the thread. Now it will turn ugly.

purplefood wrote:http://xkcd.com/722/

Do you know I love you? You do now.

swuk wrote:

The ww1 tank is classed as steampunk,

Take the space marine chain sword, that is 100% steam punk

A steam punk side would be cool to have

That word... it does not mean what you think it means.

Monster Rain wrote:How could you say that GW artwork is uninspired when they have given us the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT?

You just won one million internets.

And a gold star.

Purple food let me give you one example of what i see as a unit belonging to the wrong side




In the IG army what looks more at home... the Space Marine Whirlwind , with it distinctly NATO appearance or The Imperial Guard Manticore / Deathstrike . look at the rockets , surely the more sophisticated rockets belong to the space marines on not the lower tech Imperial guard.

Rhino Whirlwind
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1670003&rootCatGameStyle=

Manticore
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440173a&prodId=prod770022a&rootCatGameStyle=

Nato APC ( IG is far closer to Nato the SM. The SM should be Nato with knobs on not using APC's dating back to WW2 and tanks dating back to WW1 )
http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=150501



If i was calling the shots the SM rhino would be moved to the IG camp

I would take the more high tech looking rockets found on the IG vehicle and give them to the SM. I would then design a chassis that looked like it belonged in year 40,000 AD



Is there anyone here who thinks that the SM Whirlwind would look out of place in the IG line up ?

You know what is really irritating? The fact that the guy edits his posts heaps of times, each time being different. Take his mechwarrior post, it's the near opposite of what he originally said. Now apparently mechs are seamlessly integrated, when before they were "plonked in" and were out of place with the theme.

Edit : Oh god another senseless argument.

The Whirlwind looks infinitely more advanced than the Manticore. The Whirlwind looks like a Space Marine vehicle, the Manticore looks like an Imperial Guard vehicle. They would look out of place if swapped.