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Revarien wrote:No infernus pistol seraphim...

What....

the...


FRACKING HELL IS THIS BULLSH----calm calm

They've had them.... always... hell... even FFG has them in their fluff for the seraphim to use... APPROVED by GW... and now they get rid of them?!

Cruddace... if you like this army so much, you wouldn't have forgotten this .

The "bestiary" doesn't include the options of the units. They will be included in the Army List next month. It doesn't mention Flamer Pistols either, but the Seraphim in pic has them. Just wait for the next month.

In the Spanish WD there is an errata, they have only included one troop profile in the Repentia Sisters section. I hope they'll fix it next month.

I hope so Pretre... It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it severely drops our tank killing power... in an edition dominated by them... and if this is a 'stop-gap' codex for this edition, then they need to gear it as such.

I never took Inferno Pistols for Seraphim before (and rarely took Seraphim), but was looking forward to 4 Inferno shots per squad. I guess we'll see.

Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.

I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.

Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.

I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.

Its quite common to leave old descriptors until the new stuff is finally out. In this case the new stuff being the new codex. I believe the old Death Company listed their WS as 4 (its now 5) until the kit and codex was released despite having the new models/codex being advertised in pre-release. This is a little different becuase the old models are still in place, but they wen tout of thier wayt o put models where there were none before. Priests were never elites in the old dex and there are heavy weapons everywhere (FOC wise) where there were none before. There was no dedicated transport section either. Deliberate changes were made here, but I hold out hope that some are mistakes. Not sure why I am but I have it nonetheless.

Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.

I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.

The unit descriptions will probably be updated when the second half of the codex is released, but the Getting Started section definitely describes this WD Codex.

Looking at the Cruddance army I get a huge feeling of deja vu. This white dwarf army is going to be Tyranids mkII. The models you had? Nerfed. The four new models they make (out of the ten new units in the codex)? Incredibly useful and expensive pewter/resin. Even if it would make perfect sense to include a sprue of conversion in some other similar plastic kit. Painting job? Unfinished. Kind of like those really out of place non-metal metallic tyranids they through in as space wasters. Special rules? Non-sensical given the stat lines/unit purpose/etc. Kinda like giving warriors three wounds, toughness of a space marine, and removing the immunity to instant death. And then carrying that through to all the medium sized creatures to make us Codex: Ogryns.

General feel from the articles: no one in the office gives a damn enough to put anything original together. Have fun with the codex they felt obligated to put out but couldn't get any feeling into.

I remember when i first started sister, they were my first full army i wish they kept the inquisition now its all for the grey knights, i see they want it all women but the inquisitor was a nice look.

And are they getting an update in models at all or just a shift around the FOC and the subtraction of other models?

streamdragon wrote:

Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.

I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.

The unit descriptions will probably be updated when the second half of the codex is released, but the Getting Started section definitely describes this WD Codex.

Are you sure ? :p

Get started :

"The key to wielding the Battle Sisters effectively is managing the Acts of Faith; using the limited Faith Points wisely to boost the squads' abilities at the right moment will ensure victory"

I remember to have read some comments on the other thread about faith becoming an small accessory in the WD codex, in favor of more strategy



More seriously I found it sad to have PE still in heavy choice. And I don't enjoy much these news about new dominion's composition.
I don't know what to expect next !

Slackermagee wrote:Looking at the Cruddance army I get a huge feeling of deja vu. This white dwarf army is going to be Tyranids mkII.

Umm. I'm fairly certain that we would be a lot happier if it was. After all, Tyranids got a Codex and miniature releases.

The models you had? Nerfed. The four new models they make (out of the ten new units in the codex)? Incredibly useful and expensive pewter/resin.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the four new models they produced for Sisters. Ummm.... Yeah, so about that.

Even if it would make perfect sense to include a sprue of conversion in some other similar plastic kit. Painting job? Unfinished. Kind of like those really out of place non-metal metallic tyranids they through in as space wasters. Special rules? Non-sensical given the stat lines/unit purpose/etc. Kinda like giving warriors three wounds, toughness of a space marine, and removing the immunity to instant death. And then carrying that through to all the medium sized creatures to make us Codex: Ogryns.

Why don't you take the Tyranid nerdrage to a Tyranid thread? It is misplaced here.

General feel from the articles: no one in the office gives a damn enough to put anything original together. Have fun with the codex they felt obligated to put out but couldn't get any feeling into.

General feel from your post: Still angry about Codex: Tyranids and didn't give a damn enough to put anything original together. We had fun with your insightful Tyranids post that you felt obligated to post in a Sisters thread.

kthxbai

I love White Dwarf armies. The one penitent engine he included is really cute!

Also the three arco flagellants he's going to stick god knows where.

I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?

Mythal wrote:

streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...

They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.

Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.

If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.

Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?

That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.

Dysartes wrote:Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.

If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.

Edit: Bah, y'know what? It's not worth it. If that's how you feel a non-sensical nerf to someone else's army can be made justifiable, good luck to you May you always roll sixes.

pretre wrote:

Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?

That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.

'What's new', shows old models, I feel like i'm being trolled...

pretre wrote:

Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?

That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.

Whoops, you're right, got the links mixed up. It does seem odd to have a 'What's New' article showcasing unpainted really really old models, but whatever.

Tails9095 wrote:'What's new', shows old models, I feel like i'm being trolled...

Thing is, I look at that army, and it makes little to no sense to me. A solitary Penitent Engine? Seriously? And I have no idea what he's planning on doing with the Redemptionist Club he's got going on around Kyrinov.

Oh look we still ahve to buy battle sisters in $17.25 packs of three.


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So yeah.

Nothing new.

No plastics.

No finecasts.

No new units.

No new weapons.

Just the same ones we had before, copy-pasted confusingly everywhere else. It's like they built the list using WFB basics (IE Hero / Common / Special / Rare) instead of 40k (HQ / Elite / Troops / Fast Attack / Heavy Support). Good going Games Workshop. You still suck.

So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.

Zefig wrote:So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.

Celestian Squads always had access to all of the Heavies and Specials. The Command Squads are an open question - both photos of a Command Squad shown in the Codex suggest that special weapons of some sort are allowed, and one includes a heavy, and the photo shown of Cruddace's Command Squad has a special and a heavy, although the heavy in question is a heavy flamer.

Creeping Dementia wrote:
Whoops, you're right, got the links mixed up. It does seem odd to have a 'What's New' article showcasing unpainted really really old models, but whatever.

What's new has always showcased hobby stuff, new/old/whatever. Last Thursday were Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists armies which certainly weren't because of a new release.


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Melissia wrote:So yeah. Nothing new. No plastics. No finecasts. No new units. No new weapons.

Just the same ones we had before, copy-pasted confusingly everywhere else. It's like they built the list using WFB basics (IE Hero / Common / Special / Rare) instead of 40k (HQ / Elite / Troops / Fast Attack / Heavy Support). Good going Games Workshop. You still suck.

It's a web 'getting started' article before the second half of the codex is released. I don't think anyone was expecting any revelations and certainly not an announcement of new product by their web guys.

But you keep raging anyways!

Mythal wrote:

Dysartes wrote:Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.

If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.

Edit: Bah, y'know what? It's not worth it. If that's how you feel a non-sensical nerf to someone else's army can be made justifiable, good luck to you May you always roll sixes.

Do I agree with Seraphim losing Inferno Pistols, if it is what has happened? No - but that wasn't what I was responding to. Claiming that SoB's should have them because the BAs was equally nonsensical, as was the implication that the SoBs had them first.

For the record, I have a small SoB allied contingent knocking around somewhere, though I'd never gotten around to picking up the Seraphim.

pretre wrote:[snip]

Actually I'm being smug and self-righteous in an "I told you so" way.

Dysartes wrote:Do I agree with Seraphim losing Inferno Pistols, if it is what has happened? No - but that wasn't what I was responding to. Claiming that SoB's should have them because the BAs was equally nonsensical, as was the implication that the SoBs had them first.

Seraphim were the first squad to be given access to the weapon. Dante was the first unit to be given access to the weapon. Blood Angels squads did not gain access to it until after the fact. My point was that jump-pack squads dotted with inferno pistols could not be considered game-breaking, and thus not a justifiable nerf, given that Codex: Blood Angels provides just such a recourse and has not been errata'd to remove it. I was also attempting to avoid the thread dissolving into pointless tit-for-tat conflict - when its purpose is for players who actively run Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle armies to discuss the potential implications of the new material published today on Games Workshop's website

Ascalam wrote:They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.

I fully expect 6th edition Marines to get Lance weapons, just because it's a special rule they don't have.

morgendonner wrote:Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...

It's curious, but not surprising. My guess is BSS gets one heavy weapon, and one special weapon. Just like baby Tactical Marines. Only, without combat squads to make one heavy weapon in a 10 body squad useful.

Zefig wrote:The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.

I noticed that, too. As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree. Sisters are very good at forcing morale checks in shooting from 25% casualties. What we're not doing is receiving the charge after the unit invariably passes the morale check because every army in the grimdark future is well disciplined enough that only modifiers make leadership interesting, and shooting casualties don't incur modifiers. Thus, I'll take a leadership modifier, if it means I've got a better chance of my shooting making my enemy flee instead of charging and chopping my T3/I3 nuns to pieces.

Melissia wrote:So yeah.

Nothing new.

No plastics.

No finecasts.

No new units.

No new weapons.

Look on the bright side... no finecasts! You won't have to do this if you buy any figs in the near future...


http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/372070.page

warboss wrote:[Look on the bright side... no finecasts! You won't have to do this if you buy any figs in the near future...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/372070.page

From the dates on that thread, that was one of the first batch. Isn't it known that the first batch was faulty and since then things have improved? Or are you just trying to get a Finecast hate session going in this SoB thread?

please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...

Byte wrote:please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...

Were it not for the apology, I would have taken it for sarcarm.

The 1st part of the Codex is in the August issue of White Dwarf.
2nd part will be in the September issue.
Presumably GW will also put a PDF version of their rules online some time later.

This concludes the release.