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All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out. I don't care what anything else says, or even if I am out of context about the Void Dragon, I just want it fielded!!!!

Things in this that I'm interested in, and what I think of them.

1."Chaos Legions by March 1012".

This I think could be possible, but I have to wonder if it's just a rehash of what the rest of the rumor mill has been saying. Also have to like how it was posted as 1012, instead of 2012.

2."Fluff changes. (prepare for heavy summary) We're moving on from the 41st millenium into the 42nd. Yup. Here's the rumor: mankind's days are really waning. They're heading down the crapper fast and xenos, especially Necrons, are coming into quite the threat. Well, mankind just doesn't have the power, and now Necrons are threatening Chaos, and the Chaos forces are like 'well wtf guyz'. So, Chaos has to fight across the galaxy against the enemies that mankind were fighting against, perhaps even allying with loyalist forces against a common foe. This will be expanded on in the coming Codices, including Necron and Chaos Legions, which should set up for the big fluff change in 6th edition. Some of the rest sounded more like wish, opinion, and extrapolation; Void Dragon coming up, Primarchs coming back, Emperor's descendants being found by an unnamed portion of the Imperium in order to fight the Void Dragon, etc etc..."

There is just so much bull in this I don't even know where to start.There are things here that could be true, such as the Necrons being more of a threat, but the part where Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines team up... not gonna happen.
Any truth to this portion could be in the Necron Codex when it comes out supposedly before the end of the year...

3."5th edition has been the edition for the Imperium. Imperial Guard, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and of course Space Marines have all gotten Codices, and Black Templar and Dark Angels have been FAQ'd to match up. The only xenos forces we've seen have been Orks (which were technically still 4th edition), Tyranids, and Dark Eldar. And now Sisters of Battle are going to be covered. That leaves Tau, Orks (since they weren't really in 5th), Eldar, Chaos Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Daemons left to be covered. NONE of those are imperial forces, so it almost seems like they've been stacking the deck so that they can put a heavier focus on the xenos, which is a prime opportunity to advance the fluff. By advancing the fluff through xenos codices, they can then re-glorify the imperial forces by updating them further into 6th edition after they've figured all that stuff out".

Ok, this kind of makes since, so it could be believable. There are bitz of truth in here I think, but only time will tell.

His Master's Voice wrote:realistic dynamics

I LOL'd

I can't believe this. These rumors are so contrary to everything that GW has been doing for the last few years, it isn't even funny. Ward gone? Substantial number of board members gone? Space marines losing power? Why don't you just throw in a comprehensive, across the board price decrease while you're at it? If these changes happen, I will literally eat the computer I'm typing this on.

The space marine might just kill off all the necrons and all the Xenos, then the all the choas gods will spontanuesly combust, just as likely as all the space marine wanning crap.

The only thing I believe out of this collection of rumors is making superheavies and fliers playable in standard games as well as making Forgeworld stuff "official". It just makes perfect business sense to me.

The fluff changes remind me of the rumored "Blood Angels will fall to chaos in this edition and the overal story arc will progress" that we heard a few editions ago.

The corporate shuffling sounds like a load of bull and some of it is flat out erroneous.

NELS1031 wrote:The only thing I believe out of this collection of rumors is making superheavies and fliers playable in standard games as well as making Forgeworld stuff "official". It just makes perfect business sense to me.

GW may be pushing it agenda of friendly play that was a strong part of Apocalypse, but bring it down to the standard 40k scope; I'm inclined to believe if its in the book it'll just be an optional, less competitive rule set.

What I want to see is a well developed rule set for low point cost games... as it is the rules don't do enough to support sub-thousand point games as well as they could. The low point game is important if GW wants to draw people into the game without putting out a $400 set with enough points to actually play.

I dont believe a word of it. this sounds like a load of horse puckie.

Mixture of fluff rumors that we've all heard before-- the Void Dragon coming back thing has been a rumor since 2008, if not earlier-- fanservice (people love to hate Mat Ward, but his books are good), and nonsense (superheavies in normal games? FW models always legal?), with remarkably little actual substance. Massive grain of salt here.

Also, if FW models are legal in normal games, the game will be completely and utterly broken. Bring on the Land Raider Achilles, Hades Breaching Drills, and Lucius/Deathstorm Drop Pods!

These rumors are a bit much to take! I feel like our newest orkmoticon is appropriate here

If you're going to invent some random rumours you could at least make them plausible... here's mine:

1. Across the board points drop to encourage bigger armies (have you seen our new models???)
2. Rules giving in-game benefits to bigger units (again, have you seen our new models???)
3. Interactive terrain (did we show you all this new terrain we want you to buy???)
4. First supplement to allow for mad-as-a-box-of-badgers games with huge and powerful stuff available to all (did we show you these new generic big kits???)


Oh wait, that was WFB 8th, they won't make that mistake again

Wow... too bad Storm of Magic was actually a good supplement and is really better than the internet hyperbole and the tons of people who like to bash on WFB because they think the game is undeniably broken past the point of redemption despite either not having played the system or horribly overreacting...

Anyway, back on point...

Generic wishlist thread is generic. Why don't they let the Imperium team up with 'nids to save all life from the 'Crons?

Sasori wrote:

I'd be very surprised if Mat Ward is gone. His Codexs have been a huge success in terms of sales and he writes good rules.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Are you thinking of the same Mat Ward as I am??

Cryonicleech wrote:Generic wishlist thread is generic. Why don't they let the Imperium team up with 'nids to save all life from the 'Crons?

Don't you dare give them this idea! It was bad enough that the Necrons and Blood Angels fought side by side, 'bro-fisted, then went their separate ways.

On the other side of the coin, the least likely thing about this rumor is about Matt Ward. His books, while heavily debated for their fluff, usually have good options and multiple builds. Cruddace (and for the life of me I used to defend the Nid codex...) gave such obvious favoritism to his IG and then destroyed the Nids rulewise (fluff was alright); as I understand it, Sisters look to be falling into a similar trap. Some very cool unit ideas with absolutely horrid rules to back them up, leading to a wide range of options but few actual valid choices in slots. Either options were so good it became a non-issue (Hive Guard, Tervigons) or they were so terrible they left everyone who read them in utter loss on when they would ever be used (Pyrovores, Rippers).

Not saying Ward doesn't have his issues, but his books are at least competitive in a real sense.

Last note... this is some nice thoughts, but honestly? Wishlisting at best. I'm going to go drink some water to get rid of all the salt.

Cryonicleech wrote:Wow... too bad Storm of Magic was actually a good supplement and is really better than the internet hyperbole and the tons of people who like to bash on WFB because they think the game is undeniably broken past the point of redemption despite either not having played the system or horribly overreacting...

Anyway, back on point...

Apologies for apparent offence - my point was that regardless of the quality of WFB 8th rules and/or Storm of Magic rules the whole project smacks of being written to sell more stuff - whether the rules are good or not is irrelevant to the GW suits.

GW Exec: We need to sell more - make it so people need more stuff to play
Designer: Hey, I've created some great terrain pieces
GW Exec: give them rules, people will be more likely to buy them!
Designer: err, ok. I've also made these cool new monsters
GW Exec: make sure every army can have them, then. We must sell loads!!!

etc...


I feel sure whatever people's ideas are for 40k 6th a similar conversation will be held in an office in Nottingham

CT GAMER wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:realistic dynamics

I LOL'd

Lol all you want, a world defined by xenophobia, fear and absolute disregard for the human (or otherwise) life is realistic. Or at least as realistic as a piece of fiction can be.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Apologies for apparent offence - my point was that regardless of the quality of WFB 8th rules and/or Storm of Magic rules the whole project smacks of being written to sell more stuff - whether the rules are good or not is irrelevant to the GW suits.

I wonder if we'll ever reach a point when people on discussion forums realise that this comment adds nothing to a discussion.

Ozymandias wrote:

Sasori wrote:

I'd be very surprised if Mat Ward is gone. His Codexs have been a huge success in terms of sales and he writes good rules.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Are you thinking of the same Mat Ward as I am??

I've been over this a few times, but his rules ARE good, and in line where they should be. While sometimes(Often), the wording can be a bit poor, they are still competitive, and flexible without being to powerful. His fluff has no excuse though. It just seems like there is a big "Mat Ward Hate" Bandwagon that goes around.

His rules are solid, and all of his codexs have been in the the middle of the "power" bracket, unlike Robin Cruddance who wrote the IG book and the Tyranid book which are considered the strongest, and weakest books respectively.

This seems kind of what I was expecting for thing to go anyway, but I can’t see them getting rid of ward, He's too good for them. Every dex he's wrote has been very successful. Anyway, I staying tuned.

The rules writers are far less of an issue than the apparent total lack of playtesting. :( A rules writer with a good sense of balance can do a reasonable job of guessing, estimating, and/or intuiting the correct balance in the first draft, but the number of turkey codices just indicates that the far more important work of developing the initial drafts through the test-iterate-test-iterate cycle is not being done at all.

I guess I'll see how the balance goes in 6th, and hold on to my tyranids till it is released, but once it is, any armies I have that remain sub-par are going on eBay. Chaos Marines are going there already, much as I love 'em...

FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.

FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.

supremeoverlordVECT wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.

FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.

He is referring to the Necron god, not a flyer..

supremeoverlordVECT wrote:

FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.

FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.

Im going to slap you in the face!

BoLS wrote:Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices. His baby was 5th edition, and now that 5th edition is up, Ward is done.

BoLS wrote:Everything since Tyranids? Made for 6th edition.

Now I'm no logic man, but those statements seem just a little contradictory.

If Imperium ever ally with Chaos, I will nerdrage.

More Xenos attention sounds good though.

Well, I'll believe it when I see it, and not a second sooner. These are some pretty outlandish claims, after all.

The advancing storyline, while it would be great, is unlikely as the same rumour has appeared before every edition of 40k. I remember hearing all about how the Emperor was going to die and the IoM crumble before 3rd edition was released.

As for the IoM and Chaos Legions fighting side by side? Don't be rediculous! That'd be like an Empire army summoning Bloodletters in Warhammer... oh wait.

This is the biggest load of horse excrement that I have ever seen.

Wow, these rumors are quite-

Thats the first time I've read that article, but I also heard very similar things about 3-4 months ago.

Moving the Timeline ahead was the big one, but not likely to happen. Making 6th ed the focus of everything but the Imperium was the other and is likely to happen.

The culmination of the end of times (mankind's last stand) and all it's enemies closing in for the kill was definitely mentioned, as was the waning hours of the Eldar, the full rise of the Tau, mass return of the Necrons, Chaos finally bursting through from the EoT and more Tyranid fleets.

The only things I heard rules wise about the book was that there will be only one rulebook with rules for CoD, Apoc and Planetstrike included and that special characters will be a big focus on the way games are played.

Also another "grade" of character far beyond that of regular HQs and Special Characters.

I didn't think anything of it when he told me, but to have this info come out after what I had heard and seeing as though I only read stuff on Dakka for GW news, seems to be a bit more than coincidence.

But as for Chaos Legions, I heard September-December 2012 after 6th ed and being the first new dex of 6th ed.