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**SagesStone**

Ultramarines 8th company, my personal heraldry displayed instead of the Ultras symbol and as a green hydra.

**BrainDeleted**

Isn't that TDA pic on the previous page of a Luna Wolf not a Space Wolf by the way?

It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the Space Wolves realize their hosts are not people at all

-Page 20 of Codex: Spaces Wolves under 'The Lost Company of Svengar the Red'

That's what gave me the impression. Unless his casual pass was aimed at achieving groping and other non-sexual middle school play, maybe receiving some heavy petting or even getting to make out with her. Entirely possible as well knowing those darned Wolves.

**The Epic Chaosdude!!!**

Ultramarines 2nd company. The galaxys most cheesiest fighting company ever.

On the other hand, beign a Crimson Fist would be pretty cool too.

**StarHunter25**

Probably storm wardens for me.. I have a habit of being a bit off my rocker most of the time. Plus the idea of surfing a rhino into battle getting prepared to activate my jump-pack so I can engage the 15 foot tall xeno beast in single combat.....with a claymore so large it's unwieldy for any space marine to attempt to use it one handed.... yeah... for the emperor

**Jackster**

Angels Eternus, my own BA Successor. As a Honor Guard.

**Seaward**

iproxtaco wrote:But not a Grey Knight, they're better than regular Astartes in literally every way.

They're the Mary Sues of the Mary Sues, yes.

**iproxtaco**

Seaward wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:But not a Grey Knight, they're better than regular Astartes in literally every way.

They're the Mary Sues of the Mary Sues, yes.

Exactly.

**Easy E**

It doesn't matter which chapter I was part of, because secretly in my heart I would want to be an Ultramarine. It says so in the codex.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.

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iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

**iproxtaco**

So much for not returning. It's a massive thread-hijack but hey, I'm game, considering you've abandoned three threads on the same topic because you were proved unanimously wrong in each one.

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.

Hmm, yeah, no, I think they'd have a good chance against those odds. To be fair, I think this is absolute cattle excrement, so go on, just this once, quote the source you're using, it'll be a first.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

That was a story about the Custodes, argument undermined. I somehow could have foretold this happening, the source disagrees so it's dismissed, despite the context, despite the author. Are you going to do the same thing to The First Heretic?

Everything is open to opinion regardless, certainly doesn't mean you can speculate on something that's stated outright. That's like speculating on whether the colour of an Orkz skin is green on not.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:So much for not returning. It's a massive thread-hijack but hey, I'm game, considering you've abandoned three threads on the same topic because you were proved unanimously wrong in each one.

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.

Hmm, yeah, no, I think they'd have a good chance against those odds. To be fair, I think this is absolute cattle excrement, so go on, just this once, quote the source you're using, it'll be a first.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

That was a story about the Custodes, argument undermined. I somehow could have foretold this happening, the source disagrees so it's dismissed, despite the context, despite the author. Are you going to do the same thing to The First Heretic?

Everything is open to opinion regardless, certainly doesn't mean you can speculate on something that's stated outright. That's like speculating on whether the colour of an Orkz skin is green on not.

1. Game.

Lexicanum wrote:Gharkul Blackfang was a powerful Ork Warlord during the time of the Great Crusade.1 Gharkul was a massive black-skinned Ork possessed of a great cunning.1 His stronghold was the planet of Gyros-Thravian; which would become the site of one of the Imperium's greatest victories of the Great Crusade.1

The Legions of Horus, Rogal Dorn and Mortarion participated in the Battle of Gyros-Thravian. During the battle the vast horde of Gharkul came close to defeating all three of these legions, and they would have succeeded were it not for the intervention of the Emperor himself. From his golden battle barge, the Bucephelus, the Emperor led one thousand Custodians directly into the heart of the Ork horde.1

At the height of the moment these Custodians would pass into legend. It is said over a hundred thousand of Gharkul's best warriors were slain in moments, and Gharkul himself was decapitated by the Emperor atop a ruined Gargant, ending the battle. Only three Custodians fell during the battle, and their names were later engraved onto the Emperor's armour.1

Yeah. Oops, it's canon!

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And the speculation is based on conflicting sources.

**CpatTom**

1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

**im2randomghgh**

CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

**iproxtaco**

Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best thing is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend, the entry in the actual book says so.

Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

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Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though. Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force, whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

**iproxtaco**

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.

Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.

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im2randomghgh wrote:
CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

**CpatTom**

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though. Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force, whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

I'm not saying you aren't right, as I have no idea on this particular debate; however, presenting evidence that could be construed as disproving your point, and "cutting" quotes to fit what you need is tantamount to simple lying. I'm simply suggesting you use the entire peice of evidence, and explain why the elements that oppose your opinion of the matter dont actually oppose them.

**Omegus**

Uhlan wrote:Ultramarine here.

I like to take my dogmatic restrictions tinged with hypocrisy straight, without the base elements of angst or uberness...

What he said.

BrainDeleted wrote:Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

No, they don't.

im2randomghgh wrote:1. Game.
Lexicanum wrote:Gharkul Blackfang was a powerful Ork Warlord during the time of the Great Crusade.1 Gharkul was a massive black-skinned Ork possessed of a great cunning.1 His stronghold was the planet of Gyros-Thravian; which would become the site of one of the Imperium's greatest victories of the Great Crusade.1

The Legions of Horus, Rogal Dorn and Mortarion participated in the Battle of Gyros-Thravian. During the battle the vast horde of Gharkul came close to defeating all three of these legions, and they would have succeeded were it not for the intervention of the Emperor himself. From his golden battle barge, the Bucephelus, the Emperor led one thousand Custodians directly into the heart of the Ork horde.1

At the height of the moment these Custodians would pass into legend. It is said over a hundred thousand of Gharkul's best warriors were slain in moments, and Gharkul himself was decapitated by the Emperor atop a ruined Gargant, ending the battle. Only three Custodians fell during the battle, and their names were later engraved onto the Emperor's armour.1

Yeah. Oops, it's canon!

That reference is from Horus Heresy: Collected Visions, which is no longer a reliable source as it is often contradicted by the Horus Heresy novels (apparently the one place where GW is trying to maintain some semblance of continuity). Also, even accepting the source, it reads "It is said", so even within the confines of the source it is hearsay and legend, rather than an omniscient third party giving us facts. It's a weak source, regardless of how you put it. Also, they kind of had the friggin' Emperor leading them.

**im2randomghgh**

iproxtaco wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.
Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.

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im2randomghgh wrote:
CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

1. Actually, saying they linked up is conjecture, seeing as it is not mentioned at all.

2. Semantics

3. SO? "close by" means that they are not there specifically, which means their kills would not be included in the tally, meaning custodes killed 100,000 of the strongest orks among an enormous waaagh! with three casualties.

4. His prime warriors aren't always Nobz means that he could potentially have been surround by 100,000 warbosses=you just hurt your argument.

5. It says he was standing atop a Gargant that was killed, and as far as I know Custodes don't tend to ride titans into battle, because if they did this argument would be even moot-er.

**Omegus**

The gargant may or may not have been already destroyed, it doesn't specify how many of the warriors were killed by the Emperor's charge, the source is outdated/invalid even by GW standards, and even accepting the source's veracity the statistic on Ork numbers is couched in terms of hearsay and legend.

As usual, your "arguments" are very weak.

**iproxtaco**

im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.
Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.

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im2randomghgh wrote:
CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

1. Actually, saying they linked up is conjecture, seeing as it is not mentioned at all.

Just as well I never said they linked up then.

2. Semantics

No, not semantics. It does not say they teleported. Period.

3. SO? "close by" means that they are not there specifically, which means their kills would not be included in the tally, meaning custodes killed 100,000 of the strongest orks among an enormous waaagh! with three casualties.

So, it wasn't just the Custodes, however you want to swing it. And the three casualties is a legend.

4. His prime warriors aren't always Nobz means that he could potentially have been surround by 100,000 warbosses=you just hurt your argument.

Could be, but half of them could have been regular Orkz, I didn't hurt my argument, because I'm at least trying to present what the books says without making stuff up or excluding some parts.

5. It says he was standing atop a Gargant that was killed, and as far as I know Custodes don't tend to ride titans into battle, because if they did this argument would be even moot-er.

It does not say the Gargant was destroyed.

**Omegus**

It specifies it was a "ruined" Gargant. Whether it was ruined by the Emperor, or the Custodes, or the battle at large. It could have been a terrain piece, for all we know, or was just inserted by the author of the legend for a more cinematic effect.

**iproxtaco**

Actually, the passage in the book says "towering", it doesn't mention the word ruined at all.

**Iandroid**

I would be a Blood Angel any day. And I'd like to be a vanguard veteran... or maybe a terminator. There's something very classic about a Blood Angels Terminator. I would probably have lightning claws.

**BrainDeleted**

Omegus wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

No, they don't.

BrainDeleted wrote:
It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the Space Wolves realize their hosts are not people at all

-Page 20 of Codex: Spaces Wolves under 'The Lost Company of Svengar the Red'

That's what gave me the impression. Unless his casual pass was aimed at achieving groping and other non-sexual middle school play, maybe receiving some heavy petting or even getting to make out with her. Entirely possible as well knowing those darned Wolves.

Oh great and powerful fluff master please deign to explain yourself and maybe read my posts instead of just saying NO.

**Warpseer**

Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

**Coolyo294**

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

And the some of the biggest Trolls in the 40k universe.

**Void__Dragon**

Svengar making a pass at a woman he couldn't have sex with seems strange. I mean, unless the Space Wolves objecify women, for the sole purpose of objectifying women. What a bunch of dicks.

Anyway...

Assuming I'd get to have a Dick Dastardly-esque mustache I could twirl, I'd be Marines Malevolent, muahahahahaha! *Kills civilians*

If not, pre-heresy Thousand Sons would be cool. Post less so, since unless I'm a powerful sorcerer, I'm a bucket of dust, and then there is the whole pawn of Tzeentch thing.

Wouldn't mind Black Templars either. Maybe Ultramarines as well.

Iron Warriors are indeed cool. Perturabo gives not a single feth.

Edit: Also holy gak, another 2random Custodes argument? Jesus.

**mattyrm**

Man you lot are nuts, think it through logically!

If your sitting their saying "Space Wolves" and "Salamanders" and all that other gak, you gotta be nuts.

Ultramarines live in a plentiful, temperate, utterly loyal and splendid sector, where the citizens are well fed and clothed, live in peace, and chant their protectors chapter name with reverence that is lacking in other sectors.

If you say anyone else, ESPECIALLY the fether that live on DEATHWORLDS (the clue is in the title!)

Your basically saying..

"feth the air conditioned condo in London with broadband internet, SKY + and the big fridge full of beer, I wanna go live in hole in the arctic tundra/inside a volcano/mud hut in Somalia"

You guys!

**Warpseer**

And the some of the biggest Trolls in the 40k universe.

Indeed. The Iron Cage= Three weeks of Imperial Fists dying for what was actually a planet of nothing.