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A truly terrible article, embarrassingly reminiscent of the 1980s moral panic about Dungeons and Dragons. The author's fact-twisting, misused correlations and simple innacuracies are of an extent sufficient that a litigious company could plausibly issue a libel writ over this as damaging to their business, even if only as a threat to pressure the paper's owners to print a retraction.

Lucky for the paper in question, Games Workshop aren't the sort of corporation to fire off writs on full-auto whenever they feel aggrieved... oh, wait...

The article is backwards, but seems like it'd only be super insultive to those of you that really get into the fluff. And the fluff is pretty damn stupid.

And looks like she interviewed a bunch of socially lacking fanboys.

Belexar wrote:I wonder what she'll think when she meets us Dark Eldar players...

We must meet her and act like our ideologies are as exactly the same as DE as possible... and choose our clothing accordingly.

Negator80 wrote:The article is backwards, but seems like it'd only be super insultive to those of you that really get into the fluff. And the fluff is pretty damn stupid.

And looks like she interviewed a bunch of socially lacking fanboys.

Of course I don't deny its stupid! But its more entertaining n light going than what I learn in history and you really can't have a conversation about; 10th century Armenain kings minting coins or Zhungar mongol trade with the Qing dynasty . It got under my skin because of its tone, what she was reading into certain elements of the hobby and blowing them out of any context. Its not really that about misreading the fluff.

Also, why is there such obsession with bashing geeks and nerds in popular media at the minute? Does the stereotype embody something they hate or resent? I just don't get it. I suppose you could say Iam socially lacking, but I have my own personal reasons for that, and any writer who holds that against me is massively in the wrong from where Iam standing.

moom241 wrote:Whoa whoa whoa! Racism? In 40k? No. The humans are all a happy family. United against the evil aliens who hate you and want nothing more to kill you and eat your babies. Totally not racist.

He seems to have a jump pack, and he uses it to jump to conclusions, instead of combat.

except for the damn barbarian catachans and tanith, who we'll make right proper soldiers and members of the imperium.... damn barbarians....

poda_t wrote:

moom241 wrote:Whoa whoa whoa! Racism? In 40k? No. The humans are all a happy family. United against the evil aliens who hate you and want nothing more to kill you and eat your babies. Totally not racist.

He seems to have a jump pack, and he uses it to jump to conclusions, instead of combat.

except for the damn barbarian catachans and tanith, who we'll make right proper soldiers and members of the imperium.... damn barbarians....

You mean those forces that are hugely respected by anyone that actually knows what they have done? It's only the guys from noble words who think of them as barbarians, who themselves are thought of as snobs.

Besides, that's not racism anyway.

Belexar wrote:Meh, it's a journalist. Journalists (save for a few rare exceptions) are either stupid, don't care about the truth or both.

I am journalist myself, and I agree with this rough description...

Anyway, what we can read in OP post is not really journalism. It is disguised to look like it, but in the end the writer only supports a thesis he had in mind for a time, obviously.

Has this lady met frazz ?

She probably did all those people she interviewed sound a lot like the kids in my store. Which is basically all just fanboys who lack certain social skills required in life. I will freely admit that yes I am a nerd. I play halo, warhammer, D&D before warhammer, did Warcraft for like a week, I played runescape I played so much. I am a comeplete and utter nerd. HOWEVER. Quote from my friend on the way home one day, and this probably has happened to all you awesomely awesome people out there,
"Dude, you are a nerd. But the difference between you and the other nerds is that you get bitches like it rains 'em!" xD

Chowderhead wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:The TL;DR = we're all racist Nazis. I don't like Jews, they have AV13 transports for only 30points. And don't get me started on the Irish - 2++ 'luck of the Irish saves' FFS...

Would you mind if I sigged this?

Not at all...

Devil-worshiping Nazi’s who desire the souls of all we meet. And apparently we don’t watch TV or enjoy football! Good God!

What a hilarious article. It’s fun watching people write about things they don’t understand.


And what's the obsession with souls? They're part of 40K, but hardly the currency of 40K.

Soladrin wrote:

poda_t wrote:

moom241 wrote:Whoa whoa whoa! Racism? In 40k? No. The humans are all a happy family. United against the evil aliens who hate you and want nothing more to kill you and eat your babies. Totally not racist.

He seems to have a jump pack, and he uses it to jump to conclusions, instead of combat.

except for the damn barbarian catachans and tanith, who we'll make right proper soldiers and members of the imperium.... damn barbarians....

You mean those forces that are hugely respected by anyone that actually knows what they have done? It's only the guys from noble words who think of them as barbarians, who themselves are thought of as snobs.

Besides, that's not racism anyway.

its not as developed in the books, but it is there, the 'tribes-worlders' and death worlders are treated like assticles

Well, the Tanith call the inhabitants of the planet Pyrites soft and not-used-to-war, it's pretty much the same thing, reversed.

This shoddy piece of yellow journalism shows why Greece is in the mess it is in today.
They have forgotten their roots.
Liberial cults have taken strong root and we need to contact the Ordo Hereticus.

Zakiriel wrote:This shoddy piece of yellow journalism shows why Greece is in the mess it is in today.

I wouldn't speak so fast, it's no better than the rubbish our press churns out. As our current inquiry into the press is making very public in the UK, when they write a story they just make stuff up to fit the brief they were given. I doubt half the quotes in this piece were real and the rest very selectively chosen to fit what they were asked to write. But it hits all the buttons of the alarmist "what about the children" crowd who like to talk about the corruption of modern society.

He says...

This is typical of the "leftist' culture in most major Greek media (for all the wrong reasons by the way).

I'm quite surprised to hear that, because in actual fact I think the alarmist articles talking about Nazism and anti-christian themes, lack of morality and corruption of kids, due to gaming are the same as those aimed at D&D and computer games and many other niche groups. And that all comes from the hate of the right wing press.

We haven't seen a right wing press in some time. But then a discussion based in right wing and left wing don't define terms very well. It's really about a slidding scale of political types ranging from total control on one side to no control on the other.

Here is a link if you want to know more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

I got a headache reading that horribly written article. When I saw the URL ending with "bad-journalism.html " I thought "no s**t..."

Zakiriel wrote:We haven't seen a right wing press in some time.

You have an american flag.

Are you from a parallel universe?

Trololo Haters gonna hate.

People said similar things to DND when that was getting big( Replace every mention of Racism with Satanism and you have the standard bash DND article)

Howard A Treesong wrote:Who can afford Warhammer in Greece?

Sir, Touché.

I thought the part about the lonely losers living in their parents basements was f'ing hilarious! Seriously ...most of the gamers I know are married and have kids, even some whose wives play and are better than their husbands! Personally I think the reporter is just scared of that which he does not know!

People said similar things to DND when that was getting big

I wish I still had the educational comic for teenagers that showed how D&D was a precursor to black magic and made people commit suicide.

Twas high-larious.

Yeah, heard it all before. Same old 'don't let your kids play with violent video games' stuff. Please...

CadianCommander wrote:

People said similar things to DND when that was getting big

I wish I still had the educational comic for teenagers that showed how D&D was a precursor to black magic and made people commit suicide.

Twas high-larious.

Do you mean this one?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP

The associated articles even claim that even if you don't go down the path of satanism, a result of using D&D books is that you could innocently conjure a demon or case a curse.

Which is totally, and utterly mad.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:We haven't seen a right wing press in some time.

You have an american flag.

Are you from a parallel universe?

No, it means he's far more qualified than you to speak on the subject.

gaovinni wrote:

Belexar wrote:I wonder what she'll think when she meets us Dark Eldar players...

We must meet her and act like our ideologies are as exactly the same as DE as possible... and choose our clothing accordingly.

You have to beat the Inquisition players there first. Bring marshmallows.

Negator80 wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:We haven't seen a right wing press in some time.

You have an american flag.

Are you from a parallel universe?

No, it means he's far more qualified than you to speak on the subject.

Rubbish, there's no right wing press in the US? Sorry, but you'd have to be stupid to think that. Yes, I live in the UK, but I have read the news output of other countries, I have eyes and ears.

There's a right and left wing media in the UK just as in the US, and there's certainly good representation of the right wing in the US. This idea that the media/press is now controlled by the left is a bizarre republican fantasy. The fact someone can say there isn't a right wing press in the US just shows how normalised it's become to the extent that they can't even recognise it for what it is.

Wait i collect warhammer, does that mean i worship the devil? damn i didnt even know! that sneaky devil.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Negator80 wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Zakiriel wrote:We haven't seen a right wing press in some time.

You have an american flag.

Are you from a parallel universe?

No, it means he's far more qualified than you to speak on the subject.

Rubbish, there's no right wing press in the US? Sorry, but you'd have to be stupid to think that. Yes, I live in the UK, but I have read the news output of other countries, I have eyes and ears.

There's a right and left wing media in the UK just as in the US, and there's certainly good representation of the right wing in the US. This idea that the media/press is now controlled by the left is a bizarre republican fantasy. The fact someone can say there isn't a right wing press in the US just shows how normalised it's become to the extent that they can't even recognise it for what it is.

I never said there isnt any at all, but the large majority here IS lefty. Id put the numbers around 20%.

Treesong obviously was making a very general statement, rather than saying 'there isnt any at all'.

If that was right, then 40k players would be satanists, warmongers, sadists, vandals, communists, and so on... Maybe if she read the fluff and got to know the fans better, then she'd know what she was talking about. If the Dark Eldar or the Ordo Hereticus captured her, I wouldn't give a ...