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Frazzled. The only man who wants to go to Gitmo for the free food.

I think they slop they serve at my school is better than Gitmo chow, mate.

Frazzled wrote:
Sounds like work, except they get food. I have to pay for mine.

$5 a sandwich at my local cafeteria certainly is torture. It's that or a year of fast food.

Deends...did he sign a waiver like I did?


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Frazzled. The only man who wants to go to Gitmo for the free food.

You now how pissed off I be if it was KBR running the DEFAC there

Could I sue to demand an all bacon diet as its required by my religion (I am a Panbaconist)

Frazzled wrote:Could I sue to demand an all bacon diet as its required by my religion (I am a Panbaconist)

You're in Gitmo.

They have a shoot on site order for all lawyers, I presume.

Actually they neglect to tell them where the kill zones are

Jihadin wrote:Actually they neglect to tell them where the kill zones are

Good. We could use a few less of the Vampyres.

You know mere bullets are ineffective aginst vampires right...

Are not the lawyers military? Wait..we talking defense or prosecution?

Tough luck if you don't believe me, it's true.

When my uncle was in college he was stripped, tied to a chair, had a pillowcase thrown over his head and thrown down the stairs. That was typical of hazing in his days, especially towards visible minorities. Some of the enhanced techniques are much less than hazing. I guess my uncle's been tortured. Call the international tribunal!
When people talk about waterboarding and the other circus of CIA stuff they're so horrified and sensitive, like people are chopping off limbs so it's less about the intention of the action.

Shuma cant help being so sensitive.
Hell, parts of the training our SF units receive is considered worse then the so called torture some terrorists, excuse me, innocent pregnant women unfairly held in guantanamo have to go through.

Shuma, work just called me and they want me to jump on a night shift, this means I wont get any sleep for one and a half whole day/night, it´s pure torture, cant you do anything about it like call some human rights group for me, I could get traumatized.

McNinja, well spotted - that was a trick question
America has always had a record of torture, looked what happened to those peaceful Hessians in the 1770s

Back OT hasn't this been a slippery slope of civil rights going west ever since 1917 and that sedition act? The one where the postmaster could open your letters. It's been all down hill from there.

What a poxy country the U.S. has become.

So if torture is wrong, how do we get suspect terrorists who hide as civilians to talk? Do we let them go? What if they set off a bomb?

I can't say I like the idea of handicapping attempts to reduce serious terrorism when we have no real alternative apart from ignoring terror attacks.

Pyriel- wrote:

Tough luck if you don't believe me, it's true.

When my uncle was in college he was stripped, tied to a chair, had a pillowcase thrown over his head and thrown down the stairs. That was typical of hazing in his days, especially towards visible minorities. Some of the enhanced techniques are much less than hazing. I guess my uncle's been tortured. Call the international tribunal!
When people talk about waterboarding and the other circus of CIA stuff they're so horrified and sensitive, like people are chopping off limbs so it's less about the intention of the action.

Shuma cant help being so sensitive.
Hell, parts of the training our SF units receive is considered worse then the so called torture some terrorists, excuse me, innocent pregnant women unfairly held in guantanamo have to go through.

Shuma, work just called me and they want me to jump on a night shift, this means I wont get any sleep for one and a half whole day/night, it´s pure torture, cant you do anything about it like call some human rights group for me, I could get traumatized.

Don't worry, I'll make sure someone around here reads a book at some point. You wouldn't of anyway, so it'll be good to have a slightly more educated crowd in the area. we might get some indy films going, maybe play some "find the country on the map" the kinda stuff you wouldn't like.

Mr Hyena wrote:So if torture is wrong, how do we get suspect terrorists who hide as civilians to talk?

Evidence I suppose.

Do we let them go?

Do we have the evidence to support that their a terrorist and are actively involved in plans to commit violence?

What if they set off a bomb?

Hopefully we catch them before it happens.

I can't say I like the idea of handicapping attempts to reduce serious terrorism when we have no real alternative apart from ignoring terror attacks.

Torture doesn't necessarily achieve the goal. Not that I'm against it per se. Torture can work in certain situations according to some. I care little for the suffering of certain people. I'm not really against not torturing them either though.

Evidence I suppose.

I'm sure you understand the difficulty in fully gathering evidence and presenting it before a court...while trying to catch a terrorist cell in the act of pulling off a serious terrorist attack.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Evidence I suppose.

I'm sure you understand the difficulty in fully gathering evidence and presenting it before a court...while trying to catch a terrorist cell in the act of pulling off a serious terrorist attack.

Who said anything about traditional courts? We've established specialized courts to deal with terrorism and they work fairly fast (but then people complain about transparency in the system). Warrants can be obtained rapidly in emergencies.

Back to the OP, can you cite the portions of the bill that give the power/authority to all those evil things your linked article claims it does?

Rapidly enough though? I'd consider a terrorist attack a pretty immense emergency.

To get that sort of effect, everything would have to be done in what, 2-3 hours max?

Mr Hyena wrote:Rapidly enough though? I'd consider a terrorist attack a pretty immense emergency.

To get that sort of effect, everything would have to be done in what, 2-3 hours max?

It would depend on where in the operatioanl cycle you capture your crap bag.

If the crap bags are still in target recon phase you have days to months. If in target selection weeks to years. If in specific target planning dyas to weeks. Not unless the op has already been launched do you have hours to days...

Jake

CuddlySquig wrote:Tough luck if you don't believe me, it's true.

When my uncle was in college he was stripped, tied to a chair, had a pillowcase thrown over his head and thrown down the stairs. That was typical of hazing in his days, especially towards visible minorities. Some of the enhanced techniques are much less than hazing. I guess my uncle's been tortured. Call the international tribunal!
When people talk about waterboarding and the other circus of CIA stuff they're so horrified and sensitive, like people are chopping off limbs so it's less about the intention of the action.

Waterboarding was one of the three methods of torture used by the Spanish Inquisition.

When American soldiers were subjected to water boarding by their Japanese captors in WWII, there was little doubt that what they suffered was torture, and the Japanese soldiers who inflicted it on the American soldiers were hung for it.

The average length that CIA members could last under waterboarding before begging for release was 14 seconds.

Navy SEALS tried to use it as part of their counter-intelligence program, but stopped because it didn't build up resistance to torture at all, as every soldier failed to last.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed lasted two minutes before giving up.

There has been extensive debate within the CIA that the method is ineffective, because it terrifies the prisoner so much that you can't trust anything they tell you.

Basically, your claim above is an absolute crock of gak.

Chowderhead wrote:Cuddly Squig, could you imagine getting waterboarded for hours on end? Every Day? No break, little food, and harsh conditions?

You've never been "Tortured".

I went to high school, Torture isn't so bad.

Mr Hyena wrote:Rapidly enough though? I'd consider a terrorist attack a pretty immense emergency.

To get that sort of effect, everything would have to be done in what, 2-3 hours max?

Police forces can arrest you if they think your about to blow up a bomb without a warrant, but once they have you they do have to provide proof that you were going to blow up a bomb within a certain amount of time (I think it's 48 or 72 hours) or they have to release you. If they arrest you because they think your going to blow up a bomb, they probably have the evidence to support the arrest.

sebster wrote:
Waterboarding was one of the three methods of torture used by the Spanish Inquisition.

When American soldiers were subjected to water boarding by their Japanese captors in WWII, there was little doubt that what they suffered was torture, and the Japanese soldiers who inflicted it on the American soldiers were hung for it.

There has been extensive debate within the CIA that the method is ineffective, because it terrifies the prisoner so much that you can't trust anything they tell you.

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

The CIA did not do it to get info, they did it to break the prisoners will. Once the prisoner was broken other interogation methods were used to get info. By the way, that info was then vetted through other sources to confrim/deny it. No one relies on a single source. It worked. Ask KSM.

Basically, your claim above is an absolute crock of gak

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

Ooooh! Another check in the box for "people saying things that they couldn't possibly know". This has been a good day for that.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

Ooooh! Another check in the box for "people saying things that they couldn't possibly know". This has been a good day for that.

It as also been a great day for people to say things and then refuse to back them up with evidence....

Slarg232 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

Ooooh! Another check in the box for "people saying things that they couldn't possibly know". This has been a good day for that.

It as also been a great day for people to say things and then refuse to back them up with evidence....

It's been a good day all around.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

Ooooh! Another check in the box for "people saying things that they couldn't possibly know". This has been a good day for that.

It as also been a great day for people to say things and then refuse to back them up with evidence....

It's been a good day all around.

Meh, only decent, got thrown out in -14* weather within 5 minutes of getting to work :/

It was truely "Oh, hello- what's the shovel for, oh ok, please don't close the door in my-"

*Slam*

"Face....."

ShumaGorath wrote:

Huge difference between the water torture the Japanese and the Inquisition did and the waterboarding done by the CIA. The methods are completely different, as are the results (no one died while being waterboarded by the CIA for example...)

Ooooh! Another check in the box for "people saying things that they couldn't possibly know". This has been a good day for that.

Bull crap, look it up.

Hint: Water Cure is what the Inquisition and the Japanese used. It is different from waterboarding.

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