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Joey wrote:
I have never met someone who regarded eating meat as "manly" who wasn't a sickly wisp of a man. All the big guys I know are pretty ambivalent.

This is true mate, cos im hard as fething nails and I really don't have an opinion on vegetarianism.

I like the taste of meat so I eat it. I like the taste of onions and broccoli and carrots so I eat them too.

I really don't care about the social/green aspects of it enough to have an opinion.

Joey wrote:We need a little bit of anything.

That is false and misleading.

We need a variety of foods in our diet to maximize health.

Melissia wrote:

Joey wrote:We need a little bit of anything.

That is false and misleading.

We need a variety of foods in our diet to maximize health.

No we don't.
Eating a small amount of meat is not UNhealthy, but it's not healthy either. A vegetarian diet is actually, on average, marginally more healthy (though that's probably because people who eat meat tend to not eat as much fibre), but you can be perfectly healthy as a vegetarian.
Interestingly enough our closest reletives, chimps and bonobos, are almost entirely vegetarian except for the occasional insects/small mammal.

Joey wrote:A vegetarian diet is actually, on average, marginally more healthy

No it isn't. Vegetarians have more long-term deficiencies than those whom eat a balanced diet.

Melissia wrote:

Joey wrote:A vegetarian diet is actually, on average, marginally more healthy

No it isn't. Vegetarians have more long-term deficiencies than those whom eat a balanced diet.

eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Nutrition wrote:A 1999 metastudy combined data from five studies from western countries.[71] The metastudy reported mortality ratios, where lower numbers indicated fewer deaths, for fish eaters to be 0.82, vegetarians to be 0.84, occasional meat eaters to be 0.84.
A strong dose-response relationship was found between the amount of animal foods in the diet and the top causes of mortality in the West: heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.
British vegetarians have low mortality compared with the general population. Their death rates are similar to those of comparable non-vegetarians

I've never heard of any study suggesting "long-term deficiencies" in a vegetarian diet...

Vegetarians are perfectly capable of eating a balanced diet, as there plenty of complete proteins that qualify as vegetarian (soybeans, quinoa, eggs).

dogma wrote:Vegetarians are perfectly capable of eating a balanced diet, as there plenty of complete proteins that qualify as vegetarian (soybeans, quinoa, eggs).

I suppose that depends on how one defines vegetarianism. I'm probably thinking more of veganism.

It's depressing how many people don't actually know what vegetarianism is. I'm sick of telling people I'm vegetarian and having them ask me if I eat fish (no because I'm a vegetarian) eggs (yes because I'm not vegan) or milk (yes because i'm not a vegan).
Vegetarianism means you don't eat meat. It's that simple.

Joey wrote:It's depressing how many people don't actually know what vegetarianism is. I'm sick of telling people I'm vegetarian and having them ask me if I eat fish (no because I'm a vegetarian) eggs (yes because I'm not vegan) or milk (yes because i'm not a vegan).
Vegetarianism means you don't eat meat. It's that simple.

Some vegetarians do eat fish though, which I never understood. I guess they weren't proper vegetarians.

Castiel wrote:

Joey wrote:It's depressing how many people don't actually know what vegetarianism is. I'm sick of telling people I'm vegetarian and having them ask me if I eat fish (no because I'm a vegetarian) eggs (yes because I'm not vegan) or milk (yes because i'm not a vegan).
Vegetarianism means you don't eat meat. It's that simple.

Some vegetarians do eat fish though, which I never understood. I guess they weren't proper vegetarians.

No, they're not. They're piscatarian. Fish is a meat, vegetarian means you don't eat meat.

Joey wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Joey wrote:It's depressing how many people don't actually know what vegetarianism is. I'm sick of telling people I'm vegetarian and having them ask me if I eat fish (no because I'm a vegetarian) eggs (yes because I'm not vegan) or milk (yes because i'm not a vegan).
Vegetarianism means you don't eat meat. It's that simple.

Some vegetarians do eat fish though, which I never understood. I guess they weren't proper vegetarians.

No, they're not. They're piscatarian. Fish is a meat, vegetarian means you don't eat meat.

Piscatarian is my new word for they day! I always thought eating fish went against the fundamental point of being a vegetarian.

Glad I've enlightened someone today anyway.
I'm off to play warhammer and get stoned, peace all.

Joey wrote:Glad I've enlightened someone today anyway.
I'm off to play warhammer and get stoned, peace all.

I like your style!

Kobe beef is fething delicious.

Why do I never see anyone sticking up for crabs and lobsters, animals boiled alive on a routine basis?

Seaward wrote:Kobe beef is fething delicious.

Why do I never see anyone sticking up for crabs and lobsters, animals boiled alive on a routine basis?

Cause they aren't mammals.

Seaward wrote:Kobe beef is fething delicious.

Why do I never see anyone sticking up for crabs and lobsters, animals boiled alive on a routine basis?

Because they're disgusting bottom feeders that are ugly and should be exterminated

Because no one cares about them. They're like bugs of the ocean.

It's 'Pescatarian' and those people are, frankly, cheating.

Eating shellfish is an abomination. It's in the bible and everything.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Eating shellfish is an abomination. It's in the bible and everything.

So's shaving and cutting your hair, but let's not tell those clean-shaven, suave and smarmy televangelists that, they'll get upset

I have no problem with vegetarianism per se. I do have a problem with vegetarians who get up on their high horse and in my face about it but, thankfully, those are rare.

While I don't particularly like the way most livestock are treated, it doesn't bother me enough to stop me from eating them.

I'd have a hard time being vegetarian, anyway, as I am extremely allergic to tree nuts and peanuts, and less-severely allergic (in fact, I'd say mildly) to beans and lentils. Always been allergic to nuts, but the bean thing is relatively recent (that started five or so years ago), which is a bummer cuz I love Mexican food. Soybeans and peas are fine, though.

corpsesarefun wrote:Prefer fish to meat in general but if a delicious piece of meat is put in front of me you can be damn sure I'll eat it.

You know fish is a type of meat right?

Cheesecat wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Prefer fish to meat in general but if a delicious piece of meat is put in front of me you can be damn sure I'll eat it.

You know fish is a type of meat right?

Indeed, a tasty kind of meat.



IF GOD DIDN'T WANT US TO EAT ANIMALS HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THEM OUT OF TASTY MEATS!

[/oldjoke]

Vegetarian - Old indian word meaning 'Bad Hunter'

Seriously though I had some trouble with the whole vegie thing a few years ago and decided that the only way that I could justify eating meat is if I knew that I could "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it" myself.
To this end I went and bought an air rifle spoke with a nice local farmer and went shooting for rabbits. I found that not only was I able to pull the trigger but also that gutting, skinning and butchering that first kill made me appreciate what was on my plate a lot more.

I do still eat meat but when faced with a vegetarian who is on their high horse I feel as though I can happily stand my ground as if I had not been able to eat that rabbit I would have turned vegetarian almost instantly.

Just my thoughts.

If your doing it for " Animal Welfare" than its the stupidest thing ever. Animals eat of animals, and we are pretty humane in the way we do it compared to others.

I mean, lions hunt in packs. Could you imagine how scary it would be getting chased around by a bunch of lions who were going to jump on you, and bite your face off.

Same with crocodiles. They trap they're prey in their jaws, and rip the prey around using thrashing to kill them, sounds pretty inhumane to me.

I could go on and on, but I wont. These things are alot worst than someone simply eletrocuting an animal and slitting its throat.

I like Meat way too much to turn into a vegetarians. I also love to hunt. It is enjoyable. I have some views on this subject but they will have to be censored due to moderation reasons.

JohnnoM wrote:If your doing it for " Animal Welfare" than its the stupidest thing ever. Animals eat of animals, and we are pretty humane in the way we do it compared to others..

That's a bad comparison. We are intelligent, aware, and flexible in our options of how to feed ourselves and treat other creatures, in a way which other animals simply are not.

Some of our ways of treating livestock are more humane than others.

Here's someone who made a difference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin

And here's a good movie about her:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278469/

I eat meat, I like meat.
I'm not bothered about a vegetarian lifestyle.
What bothers me is the evangelistic way some vegetarians preach at you.

If they come round for dinner they expect me to prepare something vegetarian for them, but if I go round to their place I'm not getting a steak for dinner.

marv335 wrote:I eat meat, I like meat.
I'm not bothered about a vegetarian lifestyle.
What bothers me is the evangelistic way some vegetarians preach at you.

If they come round for dinner they expect me to prepare something vegetarian for them, but if I go round to their place I'm not getting a steak for dinner.

Frankly you sound like a bad host.
In my experience friends usually fall over backwards to cater for me, as to do otherwise would be rude. And they wouldn't expect me to cook them something that would make me physically sick to do.
Having said that they can cook whatever they like if my parents have any meat lying around, or if they bring their own.
I wouldn't ask you to fry a turd, you can't expect a vegetarian to cook steak.

Hey now, that's uncalled-for.

If your opinion is that you expect a host to bend over backwards to serve what their guest likes, then the position consistent with that is that you should go out of your way to get meat for meat-lovers.

I do think that marv was drawing a bit of a false equivalency, though. If I can and do eat and enjoy veggies, then it's not a particular hardship for me if my vegetarian host serves me a tasty non-meat dish.

Generally I've found that preparing meals that are vegetarian friendly is not a hassle as, while traditional main courses are largely off limits, traditional side dishes generally aren't and bear a strong resemblance to many vegetarian entrees and can easily be converted to that role with some simple ingredient substitution.

The real issue that I've had, both in terms of propriety and preparation, comes with vegans. Not only are many dishes not vegan friendly, but cooking in a vegan friendly manner is fairly unusual, and therefore difficult for most people.

It also doesn't help that, in my experience, vegans tend to be particularly preachy when it comes to their eating habits.