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2012/01/08 14:13:43
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Most christians are not against evolution or science. Its representative of a few who have extremist views, like branding all muslims terrorists because the people who flew into the WTC were muslims.
Evolution should be taught not just because its a scientific view, but also because both religion and science agree on it. It's a little thing called not taking the bible literally and applying it for issues within our times. Just sometimes people take it too far.
This exactly, there are many people of varying faiths in the UK yet we manage to teach evolution and science in general.
2012/01/08 14:20:37
Subject: Re:How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Why are these women asked such a question? I believe in evolution, but I think that they should have asked from someone else expect some fashion models.
Evolution and sciences should be taught in school because in the future I want my planes, bridges and power stations designed by people who can make them work. I want my doctors to understand biology so they can cure my illness.
I've got nothing against aspects of religion being taught in schools within the context of history, sociology and philosophy. I know there is an issue in the USA about religion in public schools.
The problem with taht Kilkrazy is we get nutjobs like the pieces of feces disguised as human beings amonst the Texas Board of Education that basically try to remove non-religious people from history and lie about the religious beliefs of others. The US' founding fathers come to mind.
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2012/01/08 21:47:00
Subject: Re:How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
BlapBlapBlap wrote:This man has no idea that heat cannot pass through a vacuum, does he?
Wait, are you saying that heat can't pass through a vacuum?
Heat is a very dodgy word to use in the context of physics, if you use "heat" to mean thermal energy then it can't travel through a vacuum as it is a property of matter whereas if you use "heat" to mean infra-red radiation then it obviously can.
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2012/01/08 22:32:49
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
BlapBlapBlap wrote:This man has no idea that heat cannot pass through a vacuum, does he?
Wait, are you saying that heat can't pass through a vacuum?
Heat is a very dodgy word to use in the context of physics, if you use "heat" to mean thermal energy then it can't travel through a vacuum as it is a property of matter whereas if you use "heat" to mean infra-red radiation then it obviously can.
I was thinking the same thing.
Otherwise that sunlight wouldn't be helping much, moving across ~96 million miles of vacuum.
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2012/01/09 00:23:26
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
I think the point biccat was making is that heat normally refers to the property of matter rather than infra-red radiation which is simply the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation often emitted by hot things so obviously heat itself cannot travel in a vacuum.
2012/01/09 01:37:55
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Melissia wrote:The problem with taht Kilkrazy is we get nutjobs like the pieces of feces disguised as human beings amonst the Texas Board of Education that basically try to remove non-religious people from history and lie about the religious beliefs of others. The US' founding fathers come to mind.
Oh look, it's Melissa. Fancy a cheese with that vintage?
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2012/01/09 01:41:21
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Warboss Gutrip wrote:Tell them they're wrong, watch them jump up and down in protest
But seriously, this is ridiculous. People this stupid should not be idolized.
In all fairness, pageant models aren't people. They're told they're people, they're made to act like people, hell, they may even think they're people, but they're not people.
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2012/01/09 05:15:07
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Warboss Gutrip wrote:People this stupid should not be idolized.
I follow celebrity gossip and pop culture more than is healthy, and I couldn't tell the name of any recent pageant winner.
They're not idolized, and I doubt many of them respond to questions in an honest fashion.
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DickBandit wrote:
Most of the women gave a straightforward response and did bring up the point that the Theory of Evolution is still changing today.
I think the objection is that a number of them made some variation of the "Its just a theory." argument which, as arguments about evolution go, is about the worst one.
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2012/01/09 05:45:55
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Might as well ask them if the Theory of Gravity should be taught. As others have mentioned. Or whether the "God holds everything down" theory should be taught alongside it.
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2012/01/09 09:00:49
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Melissia wrote:The problem with taht Kilkrazy is we get nutjobs like the pieces of feces disguised as human beings amonst the Texas Board of Education that basically try to remove non-religious people from history and lie about the religious beliefs of others. The US' founding fathers come to mind.
Oh look, it's Melissa. Fancy a cheese with that vintage?
Are you suggesting it's actually a good thing to try and cast history in a manner that's consistent only with your religious beliefs, regardless of the reality of it?
That seems a perfectly valid thing to complain about.
2012/01/09 09:35:24
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Evolution = Evidence based observation Creationism = Faith.
Science has built the Computer you write you posts on, the internet, your car, your life, everything!. Literally everything mankind has built with mathematics science and engineering, faith creates nothing tangible. Churches are not built by faith, but by money and engineering, by a powerbase giving their money to organisation on the basis of an unspoken tacit agreement they will be ok in the afterlife.
I love discussing religion with so called religious people, who quote the bible. I mean 90% of them don't know about Constantine's changes, and the council of Nicene and the numerous missing books. Man is fallible, Man wrote the Bible, therefore Bible is equally fallible. They often say "Oh wow, thats why that prayer is called the Nicene creed".
We don't understand life , the universe or consciousness completely but lack of evidence at this time doesn't mean we should automatically assume it is evidence of a deity.
To fly in the face of all mankinds achievements, and to have the audacity to write up an anti-scientific standpoint on a PC/MAC/Laptop(built by engineers) on the Internet (Built by scientists) is the ultimate in not understanding the weaknesses in their own argument. I have at least some respect for the Amish in this regard.
Flying spaghetti monster FTW.
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2012/01/09 10:03:49
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
Mannahnin wrote:Might as well ask them if the Theory of Gravity should be taught. As others have mentioned. Or whether the "God holds everything down" theory should be taught alongside it.
Mannahnin wrote:Might as well ask them if the Theory of Gravity should be taught. As others have mentioned. Or whether the "God holds everything down" theory should be taught alongside it.
That's the theory of Intelligent Falling.
That genuinely amused me.
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2012/01/09 13:52:20
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
BlapBlapBlap wrote:This man has no idea that heat cannot pass through a vacuum, does he?
Wait, are you saying that heat can't pass through a vacuum?
Uh, yes? It's proven by this crazy thing called Physics.
Having an engineering degree that involved at least 6 credits of Heat Transfer, I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't know what you're talking about.
I've never understood religious arguments against evolution, as an agnostic. There is no reason that evolution can't co-exist as a tool deployed by God to do exactly what was intended, like a shell script. Who are these people, to claim to know the will of God? Where were they, when He created the universe? I mean, when even the Pope doesn't see a problem with this line of thought, then you're just trolling.
Well, someday those mice will have it figured out, and then it will be a moot point.
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2012/01/09 14:32:31
Subject: Re:How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
mattyrm wrote: I was impressed that the last chick (Miss Minnesota?) knew about Jean Paul II's views on evolution though!
Minnesota! Woot!
We have a reputation for quality education for a reason!
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Ouze wrote:I've never understood religious arguments against evolution, as an agnostic. There is no reason that evolution can't co-exist as a tool deployed by God to do exactly what was intended, like a shell script. Who are these people, to claim to know the will of God? Where were they, when He created the universe? I mean, when even the Pope doesn't see a problem with this line of thought, then you're just trolling.
Because if you are a biblical "Literalist" i.e. everything in the Bible is absolute truth and not just an alagory, you can not allow Evolution to stand, because all creatures were created by God "exactly" the way they were now. Or something like that....
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2012/01/09 15:45:47
Subject: How can this possibly actually be a point of contention?
How can 300 years of scientific progess since the renaissance be right when it stands against the weight of a book written by desert dwelling cow sacrificing zealots.
More have died in the name of normality than ever for strangeness. Beware of normal people.
He who asks a question is a fool for 5 minutes; He who does not is a fool forever. (Confucius).
How can 300 years of scientific progess since the renaissance be right when it stands against the weight of a book written by desert dwelling cow sacrificing zealots.
Mithrians?
Your knowledge of obscure religious tradition is heartening. I now have hope for America's future.
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. But in the mean time, poke the eggs...
Maybe you hang out with immature women. Maybe you're attracted to immature women because you think they'll let you shpadoink them. 
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