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People have given you plenty of options. You have shot them all down.
As I have said, they have been tried already. Silent treatment did work. Refusing didn't work. Not letting him play worked until he started moving terrain around and out models.
I asked the store owner if he had any learning disabilities (it was not apparent there was) The new owner said no. Either the owner is keeping the issue private (i have no issue with that) or the kid has anger and attention issues.
Well, that's completely unacceptable, he has no right to interfere in a game that he has no bearing on. Repeat behaviour of this sort should be grounds enough for the store owner to realise? Or his mother? Something seems very wrong about this situation.
You just simply don't play with him, don't acknowledge him. At all.
As for his mother, you are completely FREE to tell her that the smell bothers you, and you reserve the right to have her do something about it. If she doesn't just bring it up with the store owner. Certain hygiene standards are necessary in such a store.
Again, with the kid, ignore him. Don't play with him, don't even entertain the notion. If he is bothering you, ask him to stop or leave, those are his two options.
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Lt. Coldfire wrote:Seems to me that you should be refereeing and handing out red cards--like a boss.
CT GAMER wrote:People have given you plenty of options. You have shot them all down.
So, yes your right, there is no way to resolve this. Only thing to do is quit gaming and find a new hobby...
Agreed. The story about him throwing his pieces to the ground in a historical board game should be reason enough to NEVER let him near anyone else's gaming supplies ever again. If he stops by during your game, just simply agree ahead of time that EVERYONE calmly but collectively tell him that you don't want to include him due to his past behavior. If he starts his usual whining, simply stop the game and have EVERYONE stare at him in silence for minutes on end until he leaves. If he really does have the short attention span and need for constant excitement that your posts (directed at OP, not CT) indicate, he will soon be too bored to continue sitting at the table. If he comes back later when you're playing again, repeat the stoppage and silent treatment. Eventually he'll be trained through non-violent yet still confrontational means. You may lose out on a single session of weekly gaming but it will be worth it in the end. If he starts to resort to violence or vandalism, threaten to call the police loudly enough so that the store owner will hear. He has no right to ruin any of your property regardless of any mental disabilities he may or may not have.
Talking about the guy behind his back at the store or griping on the internet (while at the same time discounting the same suggestion given over and over) does nothing to help you and just makes you guys look like a group of catty junior high girls. Stand up for yourself consisently and the problem will solve itself.
^^ This is some of the best advice I have seen.
I would just personally shun him and his mother. He comes into the store and tries to talk to your or your club members just explain to him that due to his past behavour's the club will not be interacting with him anymore. If he gets mad or his mother gets involved, explain to her that her son is not a enjoyable opponent for TTWG and then 'click the ignore button'. Trust me it DOES work. He will either get the idea and grow up or he will leave you guys alone. Is your club the main component of gaming down here? Is there alot of 'random casual play'? If all 12 of you ignore him, is there still enough people there to play games with or will he be ' all alone with his toys'?
How partial are you to this store? Is it the 'only game in town'? Are there other places you can play? What is the major malfunction? It's not like he's got a gun to your head. As long as you all stick together as a group there is no way the grusom twosome can win againsted all 12 of you. Worse case happening will be that if 'ignoring' him doesn't work then you need to switch stores. It sucks, I know but if it's making you want to quit TTWG then he's dictating to you how to have fun and you can't allow that. These kinds of people need to be punished and not encouraged, everytime someone plays againsted him he's encouraged to keep on doing the same thing. Make him someone elses problem.
As a social experiment, I would like to see someone go to a place where other adult men gather to play games, such as a bar with a happening pool or darts league, behave like the person described by the OP, and note the difference in reaction between that group of people and those who typically frequent gaming stores.
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Monster Rain wrote:As a social experiment, I would like to see someone go to a place where other adult men gather to play games, such as a bar with a happening pool or darts league, behave like the person described by the OP, and note the difference in reaction between that group of people and those who typically frequent gaming stores.
Right hook and chucked out the door. That's how that would end.
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Juvieus Kaine wrote:... There's always Plan C - C for Counter-Troll. Okay it's pretty lame to stoop down to said teen's level but hey - if you treated him as he's treating you, he might think twice or leave. Question his dicerolls, question his units and rules, pick on the tiny things. If it drives him mad then it's working - course if he starts throwing things about make sure they're not yours.
Okay it's not the best advice to give really and the others are right but since you've pretty much dismissed them, there's always Plan C
LOL.
Are you sure your battleship really moved 7"
here is a micrometer, I want to make sure he did not move a fraction over 7"
You laugh but that's pretty much what I mean. You call him out on all the things he'd normally call you or your friends out on. I know you mentioned "wonky" dicerolls, so do the same to him. Any of those particular rolls he does, you call him out and get your friends behind you to do it. THe entire table vs one guy and his mother would work more in your favour and if he's smart enough he'll cotton on that what he's doing is what he's recieving. How you go about this is your call - subtely and he'll gain major frustration in the long run, or directly in the next game and he'll get very mad very fast.
I'm just going to make him look up every rule in the book and have him read it to me.
Act like I no longer know how to play the games anymore.
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Skippy wrote:
Piston Honda wrote:
Are you sure your battleship really moved 7"
here is a micrometer, I want to make sure he did not move a fraction over 7"
Dont be stupid!.... You use a digital calliper for that, not a micrometer.
Brilliant!
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Piston Honda wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:
Juvieus Kaine wrote:... There's always Plan C - C for Counter-Troll. Okay it's pretty lame to stoop down to said teen's level but hey - if you treated him as he's treating you, he might think twice or leave. Question his dicerolls, question his units and rules, pick on the tiny things. If it drives him mad then it's working - course if he starts throwing things about make sure they're not yours.
Okay it's not the best advice to give really and the others are right but since you've pretty much dismissed them, there's always Plan C
LOL.
Are you sure your battleship really moved 7"
here is a micrometer, I want to make sure he did not move a fraction over 7"
You laugh but that's pretty much what I mean. You call him out on all the things he'd normally call you or your friends out on. I know you mentioned "wonky" dicerolls, so do the same to him. Any of those particular rolls he does, you call him out and get your friends behind you to do it. THe entire table vs one guy and his mother would work more in your favour and if he's smart enough he'll cotton on that what he's doing is what he's recieving. How you go about this is your call - subtely and he'll gain major frustration in the long run, or directly in the next game and he'll get very mad very fast.
I'm just going to make him look up every rule in the book and have him read it to me.
Act like I no longer know how to play the games anymore.
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Skippy wrote:
Piston Honda wrote:
Are you sure your battleship really moved 7"
here is a micrometer, I want to make sure he did not move a fraction over 7"
Dont be stupid!.... You use a digital calliper for that, not a micrometer.
Brilliant!
No that is the wrong answer, DON'T play againsted him. If you try to beat a fool at his own game he will win because he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Just ignore him. It worked when I worked at GW, the annoying people got the hint real fast. Same with FLGS i've played at. Either ' private pile' him (full metal jacket reference) him or shun him.
Remeber it's just a bad dream fat boy.
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Castiel wrote:Right hook and chucked out the door. That's how that would end.
Amen.
OP, fighting fire with fire is nearly always a terrible idea. Especially as something is clearly wrong with the kid.
Look at the signs:
19 years old still being escorted by mother
Unable to control temper - (tossing game pieces)
Unaware that people want nothing to do with him - (your 'confrontations')
Unable to stop cheating, despite that he is aware that people know he is - (asking for unfair re-rolls)
Unwilling to be ignored - (moving terrain models around? Jesus.)
Honestly it looks as if the kid has asperger's and his mother is unaware/unwilling to admit it.
Get into a shouting match with a kid in that kind of condition, and you either get told, as the kid has no social reservations, where you do.
Or you lead to the kid having a breakdown, in which case you could/would be vulnerable to legal action (bullying). You would get it hard too as he probably does have a mental disorder (from your descriptions), and anybody with a brain (judges, attorneys) would wonder why you just didn't leave or ignore him.
Piston Honda wrote:As I have said, they have been tried already. Silent treatment did work. Refusing didn't work. Not letting him play worked until he started moving terrain around and out models.
He's not allowed to touch your models and terrain.
Don't let him.
Look, you've obviously got some confidence issues. You'd rather send a letter than deal with anything face to face, find it easier to give in and play than ignore the guy, and seem far more interested in the passive-aggressive options rather than simply standing up for yourself.
Really, theres no other advice we can give.
Don't let a kid push you around. End of story.
If the thought of all that confrontation and assertiveness on your part scares you, then I don't know what to say.
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Talking about the guy behind his back at the store or griping on the internet (while at the same time discounting the same suggestion given over and over) does nothing to help you and just makes you guys look like a group of catty junior high girls. Stand up for yourself consisently and the problem will solve itself.
You´re absolutelly right and normally I would agree but what else can be done then such things if clearly 10 guys are to big pussies to be able to tell one single troublemaker and his WT mom to put on a weight and go jump into a lake?
As said, if the situation is as pathetic as this not even silent treatements and pretendings to not know the game will be anything other then lame excuses not to face up to something that is basically laughable.
Those solutions belong to some drama queen suffering from a princess syndrome.
Help everobody and your self asteem out and just ask a beefy friend to tag along and put the asshat in place for you once and for all.
Takes one hour and problem solved or you can keep beating around the bush being silent or pretending not to know the rules for a couple more weeks untill that too fails.
...one of you 10 guys do have a beefy friend right? Right? How about just a normal mentally stable friend who doesnt take crap or are everybody and their friends in that gaming community suffering from an effete geenepool?
Apparently he is a semi pro wrestler in one thread and the worlds biggest pussy in this one.
How come a beefy wrestler cannot stand up to some whiny 19yo kid in a gaming store?
So which one is it, are you a wrestler or a pathetic whimp...or maybe both but I´m having a hard time getting that to compute.
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I skimmed through the arguments but I have to ask, is this kid all right upstairs? It sounds like he may have some mental issues. This may be the reason the store owner doesn't want to tell the kid to get lost and it may be the reason the mother is so adament that he gets a game in and goes with him to play with his toy soldiers. I've played table top games for over 15 years. I've only seen one person bring a parent along and that was because he had Aspergers (spelling?) and his dad picked up the game because of his son. When his son would lose his temper (and it did happen from time to time which is normal for someone with this issue) his dad would buy a soda for the guy playing him and would take his son outside to cool off. The kid was only talkative when a game was going on and outside of that would rarely speak but we all liked the kid (he was 15/16) and really had a knack for painting the soldiers.
Trust me - the store owner doesn't want Jenny McCarthy all over him for not being nice to people with Aspergers (spelling?).
You said he throws dice? does that mean your dice?
If some kid threw my dice over a crowded game floor I'd get in their face? my stuff? seriously? and the store owner sits there and watches it? I'd get in his face TOO! infact I mutiny the whole store!
lol jk but seriously if some kid threw my dice I'd have a big problem with him.
And for 4 I could phrase this nicely but I find that anger hits home with a lot more force:
4 Grow some balls and say " No. F**k you, I'm not going to re roll that die. Grow the f**k up. I come here for fun and to play a friendly game or 2, not to listen to some jumped up toddler throw a tantrum when he doesnt win. I'll play it your way now. lets see how you like it when I've using an army 2x as big as yours."
Bonus option (this woll become an increasingly attractive option): Batter the little brat
I have dug my grave in this place and I will triumph or I will die!
Since you have a place to play elsewhere but you like going out to the store for social reasons then I suggest the following:
When he comes in, ignore him. If he starts interferring with your game(s) then just pack up your stuff and make sure to tell the owner "thank you for today but I'm leaving now". Don't mention the bother and make sure everyone leaves at the same time. After this happens a few times the owner should catch onto why this is happening. If he doesn't do something after that then just permanently pack it in regarding that store. Don't raise a fuss or threaten the owner with loss of business just thank him and leave.
Dont feed the troll!
The guy is apparently a wrestler ffs
lol
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Piston Honda wrote:OK, get it out. It's fake, it gay because they are half naked.
Feel better about yourself?
good.
So does anyone like pro-wrestling or ever liked it? There was a time when people watched pro-wrestling and were not considered "losers". This was mainly the attitude era. Seems like most of those people have gone on to MMA/UFC stuff.
I've been watching pro wrestling since I was 3, I told my 1st grade teacher I wanted to be a wrestler. She laughed. But when all the other kids wanted to be an astronaut, or a doctor she does applaud them. Or how about that one weird kid who was going to have several occupations? A veterinarian ballet dancer. Or the Lawyer and pro-football player. Nothing wrong with that. But being a pro wrestler? Crazy.
Never understood why wrestling has had such a big stigma. It's either seen as gay, fake or promotes violence. I've always seen wrestling as one of the biggest contributors to American culture along with comic books, baseball, football.
Now my career path has changed (special education). But I still live part of my dream. I went to a wrestling school for about 2 years. I and I perform at indy shows from time to time. Last show I was at I went through a table and sliced my back on the metal leg and had 80-some stitches. There is nothing more satisfying than doing a stunt that gets the crowd to shout "Holy S#!t" or insult the fans and get them to boo and throw things at you and rip apart their stupid signs.
Look up the link above.
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Piston Honda wrote:
I'm just going to make him look up every rule in the book and have him read it to me.
Act like I no longer know how to play the games anymore.
Up untill this point I was unsure, but now I am. Your store has three problems the first two, the nineteen year and the management, are brought up by you. The third and biggest problem is the people that play him.
As to learning difficulties, it seems apparent from all available evedience that he has learned that his behaviour is both welcome and supportted. Your groups conduct has done that.
Pyriel- wrote:Dont feed the troll!
The guy is apparently a wrestler ffs
lol
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Piston Honda wrote:OK, get it out. It's fake, it gay because they are half naked.
Feel better about yourself?
good.
So does anyone like pro-wrestling or ever liked it? There was a time when people watched pro-wrestling and were not considered "losers". This was mainly the attitude era. Seems like most of those people have gone on to MMA/UFC stuff.
I've been watching pro wrestling since I was 3, I told my 1st grade teacher I wanted to be a wrestler. She laughed. But when all the other kids wanted to be an astronaut, or a doctor she does applaud them. Or how about that one weird kid who was going to have several occupations? A veterinarian ballet dancer. Or the Lawyer and pro-football player. Nothing wrong with that. But being a pro wrestler? Crazy.
Never understood why wrestling has had such a big stigma. It's either seen as gay, fake or promotes violence. I've always seen wrestling as one of the biggest contributors to American culture along with comic books, baseball, football.
Now my career path has changed (special education). But I still live part of my dream. I went to a wrestling school for about 2 years. I and I perform at indy shows from time to time. Last show I was at I went through a table and sliced my back on the metal leg and had 80-some stitches. There is nothing more satisfying than doing a stunt that gets the crowd to shout "Holy S#!t" or insult the fans and get them to boo and throw things at you and rip apart their stupid signs.
Look up the link above.
Say what?!?
Any comments to this, Piston?
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The Crusader wrote:To be honest, I'd fill the little s**t in
Yeah of course big man, you'd beat a 19 year old kid up because he's a brat that throws dice around.
You don't need to get nasty, you don't need to use violence or bad language, or threaten the store management either verbally or through a letter. You simply refuse to play with this customer or engage him in conversation beyond the basics. If he attempts to handle your stuff you tell him that it's absolutely not acceptable and if the store owner refuses to let you play in peace without someone fiddling with stuff on the table you pack up and walk out.
If you can't decline to play a game with someone you don't even like then there's really no hope.
Remulus wrote: To the Op: if he moves your models and the terrain i think you can tell the workers at the flgs that and they will tell him to cut it out.
And if he doesnt listen they will kick him from the store.
You didn't really read it did you?
Also, an aside... To all the toughnuts, where are you in the world? Whenever I've been to a GW, LGS or tournament I've seen about two people who could throw down, and not just a set of dice.
adameast wrote:Also, an aside... To all the toughnuts, where are you in the world? Whenever I've been to a GW, LGS or tournament I've seen about two people who could throw down, and not just a set of dice.
The boys from Triple Play up in Lebanon, NH could tell a few stories, I think.
I hear Game Castle can get a little rough at times as well.
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Remulus wrote: To the Op: if he moves your models and the terrain i think you can tell the workers at the flgs that and they will tell him to cut it out.
And if he doesnt listen they will kick him from the store.
You didn't really read it did you?
.
I did read it, I said for him to ignore the kid, but then the op said the guy would move the models/terrain while they were playing.
You could always stomp a mudhole in his ass, but that might get you kicked out and not him. Ok now seriously you could be firm like Kaldor said, which I think would work really well. He'll get annoyed with you and stop playing against you.
Or if you really think it's worth it you could always go on a different day, unless he spends everyday there.
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I know of an occasion when some obnoxious big mouth got punched at an event. He lost a painting competition and was booing the winner and making all sorts of loud comments, but didn't realise the guy's adult son was standing very near by.
Justice done? Did the git deserve it? Well the police got involved and words like 'assault' started to be used in relation to the son's actions. I don't think it went much further, but that kind of hassle over toy soldiers isn't worth it.
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