Ghost21 admitted he made up all rumours

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**Goliath**

The thing that really annoys me about this is the fact that he makes up these rumours, and then when they turn out to not be true, GW takes flak for not following the rumour mill, as if they've declared that they're doing tau in september, and then when they don't do tau in september they've actually been decieving us, rather than it being the fault of the person who supplied dodgy rumours.

**UsdiThunder**

I just wish I knew what was on the horizon. It takes time to save up the $500+ it takes to try a new army. Hell with MtG I know what's coming up to June, if not futher.

It means I can set aside money and pre-order, or just get it when it comes time. When you are a college student, parent, kid, etc... it is hard to devote large chunks of money into these hobbies.

JB

Gymnogyps wrote:Hey so can someone post a link to ADB's discussion of ghost21? Thx

From Bolter and Chainsword, see post #23.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=242370&st=0

And then ghost21's initial response on Warseer, post #337.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page17

And then ADB's response (he's Dead.Blue.Clown on Warseer), post #346.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page18

and then they pretty much go at it through the rest of that same page on Warseer.

And ADB finally concluded in post#357 with this:

Dead.Blue.Clown wrote:It doesn't need to be so confrontational, really. All I've said is that "it's unlikely (from my understanding of the fluff and the way IP department discusses the lore) that they'd divide the Legions and Renegades into two codices like that" and "I sincerely doubt they'll use new Horus Heresy characters in the codex", then explained why.

I'm not commenting on anything else. I'm not dishing out rumours or denying anything I may or may not have heard, because I like my career. I'm not even definitely saying they won't do those things. Just that it seems ball-achingly unlikely, because, frankly, it does.

I'm sort of confused as to why that's so hard to stomach, or why it requires ghost21 to lie about knowing me, and being in meetings where he wasn't actually present at all.

EDIT: Either way, I've said all I need to say. I've not got a mountain of interest in lingering to partake in some bizarre back-and-forth over nothing.

I'm a gentle soul most of the time but ghost21 looked like a

in that exchange.

Ghost's riposte in the very next post #358 was characteristic and all in bold but fortunately not caps.

and apparently ADB couldn't refuse to pick up that gauntlet because he responds on the next page, posts #362 and 364.

and then ADB recaps on this page in posts #462 and 477 with a few familiar faces in between.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page24

**Pacific**

I can understand now why ADB has said he has stopped posting on forums, I agree with him when he said that Ghost21's comments were more than a little creepy.

What's more, Ghost21 comes across as extremely immature. He tried to call ADB's bluff, and got badly burned for it.

As a result really you have to discount anything he has said (including the Demiurg, *sniff*

)

**Grot 6**

removed for being a little hard on the beaver.

People get played, happens to the best of us every now and again. No worries kroot...

**WarOne**

Well, some people like the attention and this poor sap actually decided to rat himself out. Wonder why he did it...

**Rafi**

Brother SRM wrote:Back in late 4th ed they used to post teasers and such on their website. I remember seeing greens of Dark Reapers, sketches, and pictures of the then-new Eldar range in a sneak peek part of the site. It was cool, and I miss it.

Yeah, they used to randomly have new models at GW stores as well. This must have been towards the tail end of 4th edition as it was before the new Ork codex came out but I recall stopping by the Bellevue Battle Bunker and they had a new Ork model along with a few other things (some dwarf stuff if I remember correctly). Took a pic of the Ork (with an actual digital camera since camera phones weren't a thing back then, heh), posted it on the-waaagh, it got posted on warseer, and that was the last time I had any motivation to deal with the whole 'rumor/new release' thing. People go full-slow about this stuff.

**Grot 6**

Goliath wrote:The thing that really annoys me about this is the fact that he makes up these rumours, and then when they turn out to not be true, GW takes flak for not following the rumour mill, as if they've declared that they're doing tau in september, and then when they don't do tau in september they've actually been decieving us, rather than it being the fault of the person who supplied dodgy rumours.

GWs at fault for not being fourthcoming with information to let consumers know what to save for and worries more about courting the impulse buy then those who want to plan out thier army before the hit hits the shan on the finecost range, the numbers of guys in the box, and letting a player know how much an armies really going to cost them in the long run.

THEN theres that little thing about not coming out and gaking down that roumer mill... There was no "officially official voice of reason." Jervis gave that job up.

JB

Grot 6 wrote:Gotta love the nerd rage. LOL

Why are you putting stock in this guy anyway? He was called out last year for this very same sort of nonsense, yet everyone turned a blind eye to it and Kroothawk put it to pen all the same...

The old saying goes, fool you once, shame on you, fool you twice, !@#$ it.

Stop posting rumors unless you have some verification, next time.

I'm mostly a lurker that likes the Pit, the Gallery, and the P&M threads unless someone is discussing IG news. I am bored tonight though while waiting for Florida's Republican Primary Returns.

I do think that you are too hard on "nerds" in general and Kroothawk's rumor gathering activity in specific. I think he handles it very carefully and look forward to his future endeavors. "Nerdrage" is really just people killing a little time and maybe venting a bit for spectator sport and relaxation.

**Kroothawk**

Grot 6 wrote:Why are you putting stock in this guy anyway? He was called out last year for this very same sort of nonsense, yet everyone turned a blind eye to it and Kroothawk put it to pen all the same...
(...)
Stop posting rumors unless you have some verification, next time.

1.) His first rumour was surprisingly correct (first one to get Dreadfleet correct)
2.) Gave him credit for his next rumours on Sororitas which turned out to be incorrect.
3.) Since then I either didn't post his rumours or posted them with a caveat.
4.) Verified rumours are not rumours anymore. If you read rumours, you have to accept that they can be false. If you read them longer, you learn to estimate which sources are more credible than others. But even rumours by other sources can be valid, that's why I usually post them (with source). One example is the early Finecast rumour by someone who has never posted rumours before (although a trusted veteran). Early rumours are prone to changes, so not for the faint of heart, but mostly entertaining or informative (like knowing that Black Templar sculpts are done for 3 years and since then waiting for a release). That's why I don't stop posting rumours even if you don't approve.

**Brother Weasel**

UsdiThunder wrote:I just wish I knew what was on the horizon. It takes time to save up the $500+ it takes to try a new army. Hell with MtG I know what's coming up to June, if not futher.

It means I can set aside money and pre-order, or just get it when it comes time. When you are a college student, parent, kid, etc... it is hard to devote large chunks of money into these hobbies.

not to pick on this post spacificaly, but...

it's not like they sell out of minis...

say you like tau, you want to buy a tau army when they get updated. if you know 3 months in advance and it comes out in june, you drop 500 in june.. if you don't know untill june, so then you just buy it in sept... the minis arn't going to disappear, the rules arn't going to change...

the only thing i can see is if you buy say, old tau suits then get angy that new ones came out, or some such...

**Shredsmore**

Yeah I suspected. The starter box is still real though, right (I hope...)?

**Grot 6**

Kroothawk wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:Why are you putting stock in this guy anyway? He was called out last year for this very same sort of nonsense, yet everyone turned a blind eye to it and Kroothawk put it to pen all the same...
(...)
Stop posting rumors unless you have some verification, next time.

1.) His first rumour was surprisingly correct (first one to get Dreadfleet correct)
2.) Gave him credit for his next rumours on Sororitas which turned out to be incorrect.
3.) Since then I either didn't post his rumours or posted them with a caveat.
4.) Verified rumours are not rumours anymore. If you read rumours, you have to accept that they can be false. If you read them longer, you learn to estimate which sources are more credible than others. But even rumours by other sources can be valid, that's why I usually post them (with source). One example is the early Finecast rumour by someone who has never posted rumours before (although a trusted veteran). Early rumours are prone to changes, so not for the faint of heart, but mostly entertaining or informative (like knowing that Black Templar sculpts are done for 3 years and since then waiting for a release). That's why I don't stop posting rumours even if you don't approve.

Like I said. He was already a suspect roumormonger. defend him if you want to, but bad is bad. I don't have to approve, its just the way it is.

other then that, your ok. Looking over the post, I might have to change it for looking more mean then it is really supposed to mean. I'm going to go on ahead and remove it, based on two people sayng something when that wasn't the way to take it.

Sorry for the vineger. Bottom line from me is the guy was a bad source, thats what the only point there.

Point there being he was already on thin ice, yet it is looking like his last sugersmack for being overly rambunctious was largly forgotton/ ignored.

**Gymnogyps**

Wow, JB, thank you for putting that together. That was extremely educational... and yeah, ghost21 was pretty asinine. ADB gains even more of my respect for his level headed responses.

JB

Gymnogyps wrote:Wow, JB, thank you for putting that together. That was extremely educational... and yeah, ghost21 was pretty asinine. ADB gains even more of my respect for his level headed responses.

No problem. I had time to kill and I take a perverse pleasure in taking complicated things and simplifying them.

It was also a bit of fun to see Warseer again. I haven't been in there since the IG codex came out. How long ago was that?

**Anpu-adom**

Kroot,
You do a valuable service, thank you!

**fire4effekt**

I find it completely hiliarious. Bravo Ghost, Bravo!

**puma713**

Maybe he's lying about making it all up. . .

**kenshin620**

I do agree with another, it at least gave us something interesting to talk about

I can sense a lot of salty people now

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puma713 wrote:Maybe he's lying about making it all up. . .

Just like the guy who leaked the Necron Tomb Stalker? Hmm at least cron guy had a pic

**silent25**

Sigh... I was really excited about the Warhammer contingents rumor. Though the insect people did sound a bit crazy. Did ghost21 ever explain how he found out about Dreadfleet? Don't understand why he then started sprouting a bunch of junk. Guess fame makes people do stupid things, even when it is being famous on some minor web forum.

*edit* One thing to add, to the contingent rumors. Ghost threw stuff playing on some information Harry had put out in another thread and Harry then attributes things he saw to Ghosts stuff. Very much like that show where the guy claims to talk to the dead and pulls answers out of people and lets them fill in the details lending him validity.

**puma713**

kenshin620 wrote:

puma713 wrote:Maybe he's lying about making it all up. . .

Just like the guy who leaked the Necron Tomb Stalker? Hmm at least cron guy had a pic

I was kidding. I was thinking wouldn't it be funny if he was lying about lying.

Yeah. . .

**SlaveToDorkness**

Wow, what a sad little person to get off on lies told to anonymous people that will eventually be proven to be lies. How pathetic.

thanks, Kroot. You are the MAN!

**candy.man**

Personally it wasn’t ADB debacle that caused me to doubt Ghost as “internet tough guy” rage happens all the time on the internet. ADB didn’t handle himself very professionally either and he let his emotions get the better of him (never feed a troll).

Ghost’s rumour of 3 legion codices was what caused me to doubt him (GW never does sub codices for non loyalist factions). I suspect he knew people were onto him which is why by that stage his CSM rumours seemed to get “bigger and better” with each rumour update.

The funny thing is that that his rumours weren’t too inaccurate. Dreadfleet happened and Sisters got a new codex (even if it was a WD one). I generally take a grain of salt with all rumour posts and if anyone ever claims that one is particularly iron clad, I only have one word to say: “Summer of Fliers”.

**-Loki-**

candy.man wrote:I generally take a grain of salt with all rumour posts and if anyone ever claims that one is particularly iron clad, I only have one word to say: “Summer of Fliers”.

To be fair, stickmonkey is about as reliable as ghost21 was.

**wyomingfox**

candy.man wrote:Ghost’s rumour of 3 legion codices was what caused me to doubt him (GW never does sub codices for non loyalist factions). I suspect he knew people were onto him which is by that stage which is why his CSM rumours seemed to get “bigger and better” with each rumour update.

Really?

I think you are thinking of this guy

...

The Dark General on Warseer wrote:From what i'm still told, there are 3 FOR SURE Chaos Codexes coming out, of which 3 Legions will appear in each, and 2 more possible Codexes within the next couple of years for all to see the shelves. Probably 2 Legions Codexes this coming year (2012), and the 3rd arriving early the following year (2013), with (possible) follow up Codexes of The Lost and Damned (named something else) and a Campaign Codex (ya'll remember the Eye of Terror?) that will be largely if not entirely Daemon based...

Ghost21 was the one who said there would be 3 Choas codices: Chaos Legions, Chaos Renegades, and Deamons. The Chaos Renegades codex was just debunked thanks to Hastings

.

BTW...Hastings wasn't the first to say that the codex would be Chaos vs DA...nor was BOK the first to state Chaos would be the 1st 6th edition codex.

AesSedai on Warseer Back in August of 2011 wrote:2) Chaos legions codex. Apparently, there will be rules for fielding forces from the various traitor legions. I've heard this rumour around before. He mentioned that part of the focus will be to highlight to differences between normal marines and warped chaos marines, both in the appearance of the model and in the organizational structure of the legion. If I recall correctly, he mentioned this as the first release of 6th edition. Also of note, Apparently a pitch to release traitor guard as a codex was put forward and rejected though the person pitching it put forth a very good proposal....

3) The boxed set for 6th with be Chaos versus Dark Angels.

Harry also mentioned early on that Chaos would be the first 6th edition codex as well...but I would be curious to know if AesSedai said it first.

**timetowaste85**

MajorTom11 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
pretre wrote:No way, ghost21 is unreliable!
Now you have a lot of thread editing to do, Kroothawk.

Actually no, because I always state the sources I quote.

And when MajorTom11 urged me two months ago to compile ghost21's numerous Tau rumours, this is what I replied (25th November):

Hi Major,
I might do it by just tsarting a new thread and you then closing this one.
To be frank, I am uncomfortable with posting the flood of ghost21 rumours. He was dead on with Dreadfleet and that was his entry in the rumour business. He then flooded Warseer with rumours about everything, some far in the future (including the Hrud Codex he believes in but seems to just be a joke test Codex for internal training purposes), the rest proven false like his detailed description of the August Sororitas release (slight chance that the miniatures are ready and he saw then, but big chance that it was either made up or fed falsly).

On Tau, some things are nobrainers and easy to invent, other things sound fishy like "similar to the Battletech mech with the ancient weapon name"

That's why I didn't start a Chaos Codex and Black Templar thread: Too far in the future, only source ghost21. I posted stickmonkey also speculative and far future rumours, but somehow I have a bad feeling with this one and would prefer to have ghost21 proven more reliable.

Anyway, I will start a new Tau thread with a certain disclaimer on salt usage. Hope that helps.
Cheers, Kroothawk.

Which I took at the time to be very indicative that Kroot does a heck of a lot more than just copy and paste! Said it before and will say it again, we should all be very grateful for all the time Kroot puts in on our behalf

I totally agree for how much effort Kroot puts in for all of us-how is he not a MOD yet? For example, the rumor MOD? I mean, he pretty much does all of that anyway, but why not let him take over all control of rumors on here, unfettered? Just my two cents, but he does a helluva job at how much he puts in-maybe he's ready for the next step up?

**RiTides**

JB wrote:
Gymnogyps wrote:Hey so can someone post a link to ADB's discussion of ghost21? Thx

From Bolter and Chainsword, see post #23.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=242370&st=0

And then ghost21's initial response on Warseer, post #337.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page17

And then ADB's response (he's Dead.Blue.Clown on Warseer), post #346.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page18

and then they pretty much go at it through the rest of that same page on Warseer.

And ADB finally concluded in post#357 with this:

Dead.Blue.Clown wrote:It doesn't need to be so confrontational, really. All I've said is that "it's unlikely (from my understanding of the fluff and the way IP department discusses the lore) that they'd divide the Legions and Renegades into two codices like that" and "I sincerely doubt they'll use new Horus Heresy characters in the codex", then explained why.

I'm not commenting on anything else. I'm not dishing out rumours or denying anything I may or may not have heard, because I like my career. I'm not even definitely saying they won't do those things. Just that it seems ball-achingly unlikely, because, frankly, it does.

I'm sort of confused as to why that's so hard to stomach, or why it requires ghost21 to lie about knowing me, and being in meetings where he wasn't actually present at all.

EDIT: Either way, I've said all I need to say. I've not got a mountain of interest in lingering to partake in some bizarre back-and-forth over nothing.

I'm a gentle soul most of the time but ghost21 looked like a in that exchange.

Ghost's riposte in the very next post #358 was characteristic and all in bold but fortunately not caps.

and apparently ADB couldn't refuse to pick up that gauntlet because he responds on the next page, posts #362 and 364.

and then ADB recaps on this page in posts #462 and 477 with a few familiar faces in between.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?324882-Codex-Chaos-Legions-Summary-in-1st-post/page24

This post was an extremely helpful summary of how this all came out... thanks!

Kept me up too late reading it, though

**ph34r**

Yeah, thanks for the post JB. Very informative.

I must say I have been more than a little confused by the crossfire of GW rumors that have been flying around these last couple months.

**kenshin620**

ph34r wrote:Yeah, thanks for the post JB. Very informative.

I must say I have been more than a little confused by the crossfire of GW rumors that have been flying around these last couple months.

If one rumor contradicts another, then in the end one will be right and will be given credit

**Lormax**

Between the leaked 6th edition PDF, and now this, someone is really laughing it up behind his/her monitor.

This kinda thing is exactly why I don't pay attention to the rumor threads. It'll all come out/get released/happen when it happens.

Tyranid 2nd wave rumor thread, 15 pages long.
GW Paint rumor thread, 7 pages long.
6th edition leak thread, 103 pages long!

Continually posting and bumping these threads is just giving the false rumor-mongers their e-hardon. The rabid community is to blame. Don't feed the trolls