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2012/05/02 19:41:14
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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i think your trying to use her MI when MI is not used.
once you Replace her with a squig she loses all rules.
so once you pick her up off the table she is not Being RFP or RFPaaC.
she has been altered in to the profile given.
if i could actually mash your model into a squig right in front of you and not remove it from the table would she then come back?
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 19:42:51
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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DeathReaper wrote:No, its a squig using the rules of a squig.
St. Celestine, both model and rules, have been removed from play.
No, cause if she had, then the Ork player would have received a kill point.
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2012/05/02 19:43:05
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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rigeld2 wrote:DeathReaper wrote:If not then I guess she gets to run around and kill things still.
Using the rules of a squig.
Seems pretty straightforward.
The term "removed from play" is both descriptive and a term of art. Special rules refer to removing a model from play. As long as Celestine isn't affected by one of those rules, she cannot come back.
Zogwart's curse does not "remove [Celestine] from play," it transforms her into a different model. Therefore, she is not "removed from play."
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2012/05/02 19:43:56
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:if i could actually mash your model into a squig right in front of you and not remove it from the table would she then come back?
You're asking if you can do magic on my little metal woman, if that would be different? Yes, it would definitely be different. I would probably not care what happens since you had just done magic in front of me.
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2012/05/02 19:46:07
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/05/02 19:46:39
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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pretre wrote:THE_GODLYNESS wrote:if i could actually mash your model into a squig right in front of you and not remove it from the table would she then come back?
You're asking if you can do magic on my little metal woman, if that would be different? Yes, it would definitely be different. I would probably not care what happens since you had just done magic in front of me.
LOL
But that is what Zogwart is doing
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 19:47:16
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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"The target model is replaced with an angry squig model under the control of your opponent.
It is a different model, a different statline and has a different name. The Celestine model is removed from the board and a squig is placed.
Personally, I think that Zogwort is a poorly worded RFP effect. Chaos got it right with Gift of Chaos.
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2012/05/02 19:47:17
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
What Rule or Ability or anything Removed her from play?
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 19:47:37
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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The rule is quite clear. The enemy is turned in to a squig. The are not removed from play, they are turned in to a squig. It is still Saint Celestial, still under control of the same player, showing more evidence that it remains the same charicter. She is just now a squig. It is not an unclear rule at all.
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2012/05/02 19:47:59
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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THE_GODLYNESS wrote:LOL
But that is what Zogwart is doing
Sure, but if you do it, then things are a bit different.
I go back to my earliest contention. Zogwort's rules are f'd up and you need to decide with your opponent.
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2012/05/02 19:48:26
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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pretre wrote:"The target model is replaced with an angry squig model under the control of your opponent.
It is a different model, a different statline and has a different name. The Celestine model is removed from the board and a squig is placed.
Personally, I think that Zogwort is a poorly worded RFP effect. Chaos got it right with Gift of Chaos.
True as that may be squighood is the bane of things coming back
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 19:49:43
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
so what happens when she enters a building?
She has not been removed from play at all. She has just changed form.
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2012/05/02 19:49:44
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Calm Celestian
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DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
So if I put Saint Celestine in a transport, she has now been removed from play?
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2012/05/02 19:50:28
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
Soy, if she is in Reserves, she is removed from play, where does the marker get placed?
If she is in a transport she has been removed from play, so does the marker get placed in the transport, or does it go next to the Access Point?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/05/02 19:53:59
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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Happyjew wrote:DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
Soy, if she is in Reserves, she is removed from play, where does the marker get placed?
If she is in a transport she has been removed from play, so does the marker get placed in the transport, or does it go next to the Access Point?
Sure she cant embark on any SOB vehicles being jump infanty and all but if you were allied with a Stormraven or some jazz that could. but entering building seems cool.
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 19:57:57
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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You still haven't answered my question(s). Where do the markers get placed?
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2012/05/02 19:59:32
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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Happyjew wrote:You still haven't answered my question(s). Where do the markers get placed?
i agree with you happyjew, i agree. as i have been all along. just waiting on DR's response
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 20:00:44
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Sorry, didn't even look to see who quoted me, I kinda assumed it was DR.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/05/02 20:13:57
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Electro wrote:DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
so what happens when she enters a building?
She has not been removed from play at all. She has just changed form.
Embarking in a vehicle is not being removed from play, as you can still effect the game when embarked (Fire out of fire points, Measure to the transport for AoE rules etc.)
I guess I need to clarify that I was talking about her and the Squig thing:
If she is not on the table (Because she can not affect the battle any longer because of squigification) she has been removed from play.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2012/05/02 20:14:21
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Happyjew wrote:DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table, she has been removed from play.
Soy, if she is in Reserves, she is removed from play, where does the marker get placed?
If she is in a transport she has been removed from play, so does the marker get placed in the transport, or does it go next to the Access Point?
You cannot be removed from play in either of those circumstances with Celestine.
Models in reserves are destroyed if they mishap.
Celestine can't embark on a transport since she's JI.
But if she is 'Removed from Play' by any means, she comes back. See the FAQ.
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2012/05/02 20:16:59
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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The Hive Mind
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DeathReaper wrote:If she is not on the table (Because she can not affect the battle any longer because of squigification) she has been removed from play.
Since I don't have the Ork Codex, does the Curse actually change the model's name?
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2012/05/02 20:23:45
Subject: Re:ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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"...The target model is replaced with an angry squig under the control of your opponent. You must Provide the squig model. it has the profile below and no wargear or special rules, but is an independent character that counts as infantry.
Squig Ws4 Bs0 S3 T2 W1 I3 A1 LD5 SV-
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 20:24:45
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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The Hive Mind
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Then yeah - she's gone, and gets to come back with MI.
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My beautiful wife wrote:Trucks = Carnifex snack, Tanks = meals.
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2012/05/02 20:24:56
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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"If the Ork player scores higher, the target is replaced with an angry Squig under the control of your opponent. You must provide the Squig model. It has the profile below and no wargear or special rules, but is an Independent Character that counts as Infantry."
Please tell me where in that paragraph it says that St Celestine (or any model for that matter) is killed or Removed From Play.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/05/02 20:28:35
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Celestine was there a second ago. Where did she go? Oh, she got removed from play and replaced by a squig. lol
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2012/05/02 20:28:41
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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rigeld2 wrote:Then yeah - she's gone, and gets to come back with MI.
What Rule or Abilty is RFP or RFPaaC?
Zogwarts Curse does neither. how you you Trigger MI with out the Above?
RFP and RFPaaC Have in game terms and uses. having to take your model off the table with out doing RFP or RFPaaC is the one and only Zogwarts curse. I agree with Pretre that the wording is funky and that Boon of Mut and Gift of Chaos got it right but as is Zogwarts curse gets around RFP RFPaaC
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/02 20:31:26
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 20:29:56
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Zogwart's Curse does RFP, it just doesn't use those words.
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2012/05/02 20:31:35
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So how many times can you Squig-ify St C?
At least 5 assuming you are close enough on turn 1, and she makes her MI roll on the first try every time.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/05/02 20:33:25
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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pretre wrote:Zogwart's Curse does RFP, it just doesn't use those words.
if it did so i would get a KP.
if i used it on joe shmo SM captain what your saying i would get a KP and then after i killed the squig i would get one also. Automatically Appended Next Post: What we have here is Schrödinger's Miraculous intervention. On one side St.c is a squig and while being a Squig she is still ST.c but only if observed
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/02 20:36:02
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on the other hand Nobz they decided it was in the best interest of ork society that they "Go Green" as such they specifically modified their warbikes to not make giant smoke, dust, grit, clouds. Instead they are all about driving with clean air, one might say their bikes Gak out rainbows.
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2012/05/02 20:40:04
Subject: ST. Celstine and squig hood.
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pretre wrote:Zogwart's Curse does RFP, it just doesn't use those words.
No it dosn't. It dose not remove from play. It changes the chacicter in to a squig. The rules and the flufff are quite clear. The charicter is not replaced by a squig, the model is to represent the fact that she it has been turned i. To a squig. If this is not the case what it she point in this power? The whole point of the power is it changes an IC in to a squig. He can turn gods (c'tan) in to squigs.
I suspect this is one of the questions that would get a sarcastic "nice try but" if FAQd.
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