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I do believe you have a pretty strong list. Now as long as you are not a complete idiot. No offense intended. You should do pretty well IMHO.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I do believe you have a pretty strong list. Now as long as you are not a complete idiot. No offense intended. You should do pretty well IMHO.

lol well it'll probably be against space wolves...and the only game I've played was a 1k point GK vs SW and it...well it didn't go well =/ what should I do with my kopta if he has that bird thing...

Well wolves don't have the stormraven so you don't have to worry about that.

The koptas should scout to try to get a good target like a vehicle. Myabe even tie up a Long fang squad. With its T5 it should stick around for a turn or two. Maybe even killing a couple along the way. If you get first turn thats gtreat, if not just turbo behind terrain if you can. The kopta will die, just hope it does some kind of damage.

Is there a better place to stick the koptas points then? I could give all the MANz a kombi weapon? or the meks a klaw or something...

Send Nobs against Terminators? I'm sorry, but that just lost all credibility you have in my eyes. You send Nobs at the units that Boyz can't kill, and you send Boyz to the units that Nobs can't kill. Sending Nobs against Terminators almost guarantees the Nob unit dying because of the amount of S8 attacks they deal out (except LC Termies).

Mega Nobs also don't have these things that normal Nobs do:

- WS 5 due to WAAAGH! banner
- FNP from Painboy
- Wound allocation shenanigans
- Normal movement instead of having to deal with SnP
- Cybork bodies

What does a Mega Nob have over a normal Nob? 2+ armor. That's it.

No the Koptas are or at least can be a good thing. I think you are fine for tonight. Can't really do much with them beside taking buggies. You said you don't have them so I would just keep them like they are.

You don't want all your Manz to have the same thing. The 3 kombis will help a bit with wound allocation and 3 Skorchas can be nice against most things.

I was going to do 2 skorchas 1 rokkit to help...I dunno I'm just learning so this is gonna be fun =) plus I have my GK to kill anything the orks don't =D

I would do 3 Skorchas. The rokkit probably won't hit. The skorchas also don't need to roll to hit. Its win win with the skorchas.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I would do 3 Skorchas. The rokkit probably won't hit. The skorchas also don't need to roll to hit. Its win win with the skorchas.

Then skorchas it shall be! I'm taking 11 of them just in case XD I'm only running 10 but you never know. I'm about to leave the house! Hopefully tonight will go better XD


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balsak_da_mighty wrote:I would do 3 Skorchas. The rokkit probably won't hit. The skorchas also don't need to roll to hit. Its win win with the skorchas.

I won =) he ate my 2nd meganob squad with JOWWF just...dead...so it was a good game it really could have gone either way. I now see why deff rollas are mandatory...and I see why koptas are a no no lol

Yeah, Orks have no kind of Psychic defense at all.

Koptas seem to be hit or miss really. i myself have not had them work, but I do see the potential of them.

Glad to hear you pulled out the win. Its good to see Orks win. Especially when there was fun involved.

Now that you have seen what the list can do. What are some changes that you might want done to the list. I always ask this to people learning how to build lists and play new armies. Its a good exercise. I think anyways.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:Yeah, Orks have no kind of Psychic defense at all.

Koptas seem to be hit or miss really. i myself have not had them work, but I do see the potential of them.

Glad to hear you pulled out the win. Its good to see Orks win. Especially when there was fun involved.

Now that you have seen what the list can do. What are some changes that you might want done to the list. I always ask this to people learning how to build lists and play new armies. Its a good exercise. I think anyways.

Let's see. I love the boys lol I love watching them pile out and get stuck in. I will be changing out meganobs for normal nobs I won't be taking deff koptas or lootas in that type of list again as someone said in the past they just get left behind so I may look into more bikes or stormboys? more than likely the rokkit buggies I'm not sure. I loved my deff rollas and the big meks worked FLAWLESSLY. Do big meks give a 5+ in assault as well as shooting? Hmm the megnobs really didn't pull their weight so I could see switching them so all in all I'll probably rework this whole list lol. I'll have 350 points to play with and I'm not sure where to put them =[ I learned start as far up as you can and lootas just don't fit in this list especially with other armies that have fire support like them (frag rockets or whatever those wolves are using just eats them) I dunno I need fast attack quick and hard. Does ghazzy give a second WAAGH? hmm trying to think of anything else. I need to get this list WYSIWYG for sure...After that it's mainly lose the meganobs gain the normal nobs lose the kopta and the lootas for something faster that can stay with the main line and maybe put some gretchin in to hold my back objectives...yeah definitely gretchin lol I like to fight to much to worry about those XD

Thats a shame about the Meganobs. I love them. I would not trade them for anything. I do like the rokkit buggies better. Lootas aare nice but they do not have the supprt they need in a BW rush for sure.

Ghaz does not give a second Waagh!, his just has special rules to the Waagh!

I would not even worry about the grots. Pointless waste of points.

Playing Space Wolves when running orks is always bittersweet because of JOTWW
It is so easily an ork heavy point killer that it can be really disheartening, and yet the orks still win, because the boyz just run over the wolves.

I run bikes with a nob Klaw or Nobz on bikes which is unneccesary in a BW list. So Bikes with a klawed Nob or Buggies would work for you.

Your playstyle, based off of your posts and wordings...I imagine you might enjoy the bikes more, but they are also less loved and you technically (I've been often told) get less for your buck.

They never fail me though, even...when they are just used to soak up fire...poor guys. You might try both and see which you like.
Though 2 squads of six with PK is exactly 350, I believe, wait, no, 370, sorry. You'd probably also want BP's. So, 380...
I guess buggies are better for your buck...

Runna wrote:Playing Space Wolves when running orks is always bittersweet because of JOTWW
It is so easily an ork heavy point killer that it can be really disheartening, and yet the orks still win, because the boyz just run over the wolves.

I run bikes with a nob Klaw or Nobz on bikes which is unneccesary in a BW list. So Bikes with a klawed Nob or Buggies would work for you.

Your playstyle, based off of your posts and wordings...I imagine you might enjoy the bikes more, but they are also less loved and you technically (I've been often told) get less for your buck.

They never fail me though, even...when they are just used to soak up fire...poor guys. You might try both and see which you like.
Though 2 squads of six with PK is exactly 350, I believe, wait, no, 370, sorry. You'd probably also want BP's. So, 380...
I guess buggies are better for your buck...

Well I ran into the problem of not having scoring troops the boys were all in the fight. I was in the fight on turn three I think...which I guess is late. I'm going to trade my grot riggers for red paint job I just need a faster heavier hitting group I may take some gretchin but I don't really know how to make the list better lol I have like...600 points freed up like 650 or so.


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balsak_da_mighty wrote:Thats a shame about the Meganobs. I love them. I would not trade them for anything. I do like the rokkit buggies better. Lootas aare nice but they do not have the supprt they need in a BW rush for sure.

Ghaz does not give a second Waagh!, his just has special rules to the Waagh!

I would not even worry about the grots. Pointless waste of points.

I'm putting together 2 waaaagh banners and 2 painboys. Any suggestions on making the biggest WYISWYG style nob unit?


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Inigo Montoya wrote:Here is how I would run it:
Big Mek - kff
Big Mek - kff

5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla
5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla

20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp

2 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits

Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla

That will clock you in at 1997 and it is dead killy.

With this list I can't take the kannons so I would be able to drop the kannons for Big shootas and I would lose 18 pointson boys. Any other suggestions for the 50 or so points?

You need to drop 2 boys to put the meks in their wagons. I threw that together without fully thinking it out. Why cant you take the kannons - the frag is defensive. If you aren't taking kannons, put the points into armor plates on a couple of wagons and the 9th rokkit buggy.

Inigo Montoya wrote:You need to drop 2 boys to put the meks in their wagons. I threw that together without fully thinking it out. Why cant you take the kannons - the frag is defensive. If you aren't taking kannons, put the points into armor plates on a couple of wagons and the 9th rokkit buggy.

I didn't think nobs were allowed to take kannons? I've got my 2 - 6 nob squads ready to go now. I'm going to do RPJ on them instead of grot riggers.
Would you guys suggest dropping the second KFF for a warboss? I had the 4+ save more than their fair share on my wagons last night but I dunno what I would get more out of...also, 2 things about bikes. If I run bikes what's the sweet spot for them? I know lootas are like 5-9-15 and burnas are normally in 10's just trying to figure out what more I need to buy.

I run a Speed Freaks Ork list at 1500 points, and the most recurring thing that I find is that Nobz are overkill. The only thing they'll be needed for is dealing with Termies. Otherwise they're kind of a waste of points. Don't get me wrong, I love my Nobz/painboy, but they're not worth it. Get another BW, or more Deffkoptas, or a Looted Wagon or 2.

dakkaguy wrote:I run a Speed Freaks Ork list at 1500 points, and the most recurring thing that I find is that Nobz are overkill. The only thing they'll be needed for is dealing with Termies. Otherwise they're kind of a waste of points. Don't get me wrong, I love my Nobz/painboy, but they're not worth it. Get another BW, or more Deffkoptas, or a Looted Wagon or 2.

My area runs a ton of termies or high armor transports. I'm going to be playing a guy soon who has 3 vindicators in his list. I'm not even sure yet what to do about them yet lol. I've got about 300 points give or take to upgrade certain things so I'm trying to place them well XD

9 rokkit warbuggies make vindicators sad. You will be getting side armor, and by the time they can hurt your army they should be dead.

You can use a kannon just not the killkannon. I would still do what I had to do to get the 9th buggy. That is 9 fast twin linked s8 shots that must be dealt with IN ADDITION TO 5 deff rolla wagons. Yummy.

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Here is how I would run it:
Big Mek - kff
Big Mek - kff

5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla
5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla

20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp

2 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits

Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla

That will clock you in at 1997 and it is dead killy.

This List is very mean. I think the Wagonsneed plates on them, but other then that. 5-6 nobs is really about the sweet spot. to mjuch more then that they are a points sink as they are to over powered.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Here is how I would run it:
Big Mek - kff
Big Mek - kff

5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla
5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla

20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp

2 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits

Here's my question. I wanted to run 6 nobs would I have to lose more buggies?

Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla

That will clock you in at 1997 and it is dead killy.

This List is very mean. I think the Wagonsneed plates on them, but other then that. 5-6 nobs is really about the sweet spot. to mjuch more then that they are a points sink as they are to over powered.

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Where? I don't see anything you wrote.

Besides the "IPhone wrote my comment In the list :("

Freaking iPhone...anyway I have 2 squads of 6 nobs painboy, pk, pk/bp, pk banner, normal, big choppa I have that at 280 points per squad. I'm left with 127 points after the BW have kannon,RPJ,rolla,plates at 135 a piece the boys squads so I'm left wondering about my buggies or what I can do to help this list. I'm thinking two greg in squads or...I dunno lol at a loss


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Greg should have been gretchin squads....

You do noty need kannons on Battlewagons. They are contradictory to the Battlewagons role. Battlewagons want to zoom forward and drop off Boyz so they can beat face. Take a kannon and you're moving 6" in order to fire.

Gretchin unit is fine, though you only need one.

The blast is defensive, so you can zoom and shoot it. It is an order of magnitude better than a big shoota for 5 measly points.

Since when do Orks need a frag blast? They are anti infantry and Orks do not need anti infantry, they are anti infantry!

And no, you cannot zoom and shoot it as Battlewagons are not fast vehicles, so you can still only move 6" and fire the kannon, which is handicapping the Battlewagon. Battlewagons are only open topped, they are not fast vehicles.

Well I personally do a shooty Ork army, SO yes the Kannon is useful. I put a kannnon and a bshoota on my BW's. Both guns being able to fire if I need them to.

I don't see a probelm with spending an extra 5 points on a kannon. If you want. its not that expensive.

The point is the Battlewagons should be moving forward 12" (13") so won't be firing. You only take a big shoota to absorb the weapon destroyed results. If you're doing shooting then Shoota Boyz will be the way forward

mercer wrote:The point is the Battlewagons should be moving forward 12" (13") so won't be firing. You only take a big shoota to absorb the weapon destroyed results. If you're doing shooting then Shoota Boyz will be the way forward

Here's my question. I'm looking at dropping the kannons for big shootas. I never fired a single shot in the game I played the other day and the bshoota taking the weapon destroyed worked brilliantly. I'm about to look at putting ghazzy in this list. What can I do to help this list and is ghazzy a good idea for BW? I would have him and a big mek. I'm just not sure how to move this list forward atm. With the way I have it built I only have 127 points which is not nearly enough for rokkit buggies. (I'm running 6 nobs with 2 squads)
I'm just trying to get the most tournament worth list. I want to be about as cc as an ork army can get. I want fast hard hitting things. I hear ghazzy can help I'm just not sure how to make the last few points of the list work =[

Here's my question. I'm looking at dropping the kannons for big shootas. I never fired a single shot in the game I played the other day and the bshoota taking the weapon destroyed worked brilliantly. I'm about to look at putting ghazzy in this list. What can I do to help this list and is ghazzy a good idea for BW? I would have him and a big mek. I'm just not sure how to move this list forward atm. With the way I have it built I only have 127 points which is not nearly enough for rokkit buggies. (I'm running 6 nobs with 2 squads)
I'm just trying to get the most tournament worth list. I want to be about as cc as an ork army can get. I want fast hard hitting things. I hear ghazzy can help I'm just not sure how to make the last few points of the list work =[

I've tried wagons with and without kannons. For 5 points more you get some more versatility and you can shoot at some armor if need be. It's never been a determining factor in any game I have played, and if you're using your wagons in a way that maximizes their mobility then just take the Big Shoota.

I have to ask, why do you think Ghazkull is a good addition to your BW list? For the load of points Ghazkull costs, his largest benefit is the upgraded Waaagh! which is a guaranteed 6'' fleet. That gives your forces (on the second turn or later) a 25'' assault range provided you have Red Paint on the wagons (13'' in the BW, 6'' run, 6'' assault). Without Ghazkull, this range will be somewhere between 20-25'' when you call your Waaagh! This is also not including the distance you disembark your boyz from your vehicle from. So with Ghaz you're guaranteed the maximum assault range, without it you're probably averaging about 2 feet. For me, I think 2 feet is plenty considering I moved 13'' in the first turn with the wagons before I could call my Waaagh! So you're looking at about 3 feet range from deployment to assault on turn 2 with Waaagh! Unless there is some weird deployment, you should be able to make that assault on turn 2. So that is why I do not think Ghazkull is necessary.