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htj wrote:

Sorcererbob wrote:I've been drooling over Eldar for a long time. And I'm a DE player, so I was SUPER happy to find out that they're battle brothers. I'm in love with the psychic powers (although still unsure on if when they refer to "Eldar" whether or not DE are included) and the bold stylisation.

DE don't use psychic powers, so just Craftworlders. Surely you noticed the lack of Psykers in your 'dex?

Lol, misread.

I'm going to ally into my Eldar and actually play my Dark Eldar Kabal's silly back story.

The Death Korps of Krieg continue their seige on Vraks but the battle has slowed to a crawl, and the supply lines have begun to wane. The forces of the traitors forces fight with mutants without a shred of humanity, and machines corrupt past even the maddest engineer's designs. When the times are dearest, Space Marines in Black Armor descend from the sky and begin to push forward the line, fighting and dying for every inch. After weeks the front line has been pushed to a defensible position and Marines cease their slaughter. The leaders of the Krieg Forces meet with the Legion's Master and are told a terrible story similar to their own, brother's destroyed to prevent corruption, and a goal of victory at any cost to regain honor in the Emperor's eyes. War machines from a time forgotten stomping past lines of Kriegsmen escorted by hundreds in pitch black armor and faces hidden by robes marching once more from Terra to accomplish a god's crusade.

Months later the Dark Angels arrive on Vraks, offering aid but with it an alternative motive. However they are too late, the Fallen are gone, and with them new allies on their quest for redemption.


Well, at least that's my idea, Fallen Dark Angels + Death Korps of Krieg.
Now I just have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on FW models.
Any recommendations on what to focus on, I was thinking siege focused Kriegsmen (demolishers, basilisks, and large amounts of infantry)?

Krieg arty's pretty cheap, or well, was, before FW removed archived the Krieg PDF, but I heard that templates were buffed in 6th.

Dem Chaos Boyz ya kno da ones wit the funny 'ats

Blood Angels are at the top of my list for now for allying with my Space Wolves.

HQ: Libby with a Jump Pack (knows Shield of Sanguinius & Blood Lance) = 125 pts
Troops: Assault Squad w/ 4 Assault Marines (1 Meltagun) and 1 Sgt (Infernus Pistol, Melta Bombs) = 120pts

So for under 245 pts I get a scoring unit that can Deep Strike using Descent of Angels, put some melta hurt on vehicles and even shoot effectively at fliers with Blood Lance.

I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

Todays allies are just tomorrow's traitors.
My GK don't do alliances.

My Chaos Daemons, weakened by the nerfing Bloodletters will be reinforced by two squads of Plague Marines and such from my Chaos marine army.

T5, Feel no Pain and a re-roll from Kairos Fateweaver?

My Chaos Space Marines started out as a small warband of cultists for the game In the Emperor's Name. Then it was just four marines and double that number of Traitor Guard. I expanded the marine army as I already had Imperial Guard at the time, but I think I may just make a small Traitor element now for my Chaos forces to along with my marines. Though if the next edition of the codex removes daemons from it I'll be pretty peeved, meaning I'd need to buy the Daemons codex and use the allies there to field my standard 1500pts army. ....What I'd be using my undivided daemons as if that happens though... In that case I'd probably just relegate the daemons to my Apocalypse list and field some Traitor Guard in my regular army (....I have always had a thing for massed infantry, so my 30 something marines could always trade their 20 daemons for say 30 Guardsmen instead). ^^

Possibly ally my Space Wolves with my Imperial Guard, given I already have small armies of both.

aka_mythos wrote:I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

I'm still wondering if you have to follow the rules of the allying army.

If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

DeffDred wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

I'm still wondering if you have to follow the rules of the allying army.

If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

You need only have:
1 HQ
1 TROOP
As your minimum for allies, but if you want anything else, you must take the above in addition to anything else.

So you could have Yarrick, Vets and a LRBT.

My armies atm;

a) Daemons are up in the air right now. If the new CSM codex gets Cultists, then depending on the HQ options, I'd take a couple big mobs of them and some daemonically possessed war machines!
Otherwise, I'll take IG allies with a Primaris Psyker, a big squad of Sanctioned Psykers and some stealthed Vets.

b) My Hakanor's Reavers CSM's are getting some Necron allies! Being that they're all obsesed with melding sorcery and technology together, plus their studies into magics like geomancy and altering the world about them, finding a small slumbering tomb of Necrons is just too tempting a prospect!
For any DQ fans, my Necrons are going to be known as the Necrogond, their tomb lying hidden under a desolate valley surrounded by mountains, a large volcano with an evil looking castle overlooking it all!

c) The White Scars will be getting some Sisters of Battle who are obviously around to check-up on them and make sure they're not upto anything the Ecclesiarchy would consider 'heretical'! I plan to have the sisters being led by a rather bombastic Confessor who will likely get blown to bits every single game!

DeffDred wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

I'm still wondering if you have to follow the rules of the allying army.

If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

Yarrick... with Orks?

Bobthehero wrote:

DeffDred wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

I'm still wondering if you have to follow the rules of the allying army.

If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

Yarrick... with Orks?

Strange that the FAQ says nothing about yarrick's anti-ork feelings, really isn't it?

DiRTWaL wrote:With the new rules for allies, how are you going to use them? I currently have a space marine army and I am thinking of throwing in a couple of infantry blobs to run up with my space marines behind them. I'm going to paint them the same exact color scheme as my space marines and they will be one of the local regiments on my space marines planet (since it is a custom chapter). I was just wondering if anyone was going to make a fun fluffy themed list in the next couple years.

I will be adding real daemons back into my chaos marine army. We have actually been playing around with such pairings already anyway, so it isn't much different for me now. We weren't seeing anything overtly unbalancing about it, just losing the "summoning" aspect of the process is all. And of course if you really want a character to be possessed and replacable by a greater daemon you can still do so through the CSM codex anyway.

Or I might just abandon my conversion of the Vraks army lists to use the newer IG codex as a baseline and just use the existing IG book with my forces and then have allies of daemons or CSMs instead. My group won't mind one way or the other if I do it that way. Just have to use some minis as "counts as" in the IG list is all.

Skriker


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DeffDred wrote:If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

I am curious...exactly why would Yarrick fight together with Orks??????

Skriker

I currently have a Dark Eldar and Tau force, so for Allies I'm working on a small Eldar detachment (as I wanted to start an Eldar Army anyway) and they're Battle Brothers to both my armies.

Once I've got it to Autarch + Farseer + 1-2 Battleforces + Wraithlord (or two), (between 500-1000pts of Eldar as a start, only have the Autarch so far...), I'm going to do a similar thing with the other armies I've been considering, building 500-1000pt 'allies' lists of Drop Pod Space Wolves and Chaos Daemons, decide which I like best and go from there.

I'm going to add IG or TAU with mainly heavy weapons to pick off high value targets.

My Sisters of Battle will ally with my Deathwing on occasion. I can take Belial, two Troop Terminator Squads, and an Elite Terminator Command Squad. Toss in an Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun, and I can fill in all my SoB holes and field the core of my two favorite armies.

Wrakkar wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:

DeffDred wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I think people who are overly concerned about allies just haven't really thought it out. The simple fact is taking them appears to require a number of mandatory FOC slots filled first... So even if you're trying to patch one vulnerability it's not just purchasing one unit... It carries a premium. Even if those units you additionally have to take to get the one hole filler are also useful the use of all those points will cut into what you can spend on the primary list. I find the people who have tended to complain are the ones who retool their list against there specific opponent... This will ultimately force people to make lists for all comers.

I'm still wondering if you have to follow the rules of the allying army.

If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

Yarrick... with Orks?

Strange that the FAQ says nothing about yarrick's anti-ork feelings, really isn't it?

Well as far as I know, you can't take special characters unless you're fighting with Bro in Arms.

So no Yarrick and Orks.

My necrons probably aren't going to be taking allies. I like the Necron codex enough to not want to take stuff from elsewhere.

My Codex Marines are going to take Tau allies if they take any, because while the Vindicator is nice, it just doesn't have the raw range of a Hammerhead.

If I were to start two new forces, I'd go Guard with Daemon allies.

Skriker wrote:

DiRTWaL wrote:With the new rules for allies, how are you going to use them? I currently have a space marine army and I am thinking of throwing in a couple of infantry blobs to run up with my space marines behind them. I'm going to paint them the same exact color scheme as my space marines and they will be one of the local regiments on my space marines planet (since it is a custom chapter). I was just wondering if anyone was going to make a fun fluffy themed list in the next couple years.

I will be adding real daemons back into my chaos marine army. We have actually been playing around with such pairings already anyway, so it isn't much different for me now. We weren't seeing anything overtly unbalancing about it, just losing the "summoning" aspect of the process is all. And of course if you really want a character to be possessed and replacable by a greater daemon you can still do so through the CSM codex anyway.

Or I might just abandon my conversion of the Vraks army lists to use the newer IG codex as a baseline and just use the existing IG book with my forces and then have allies of daemons or CSMs instead. My group won't mind one way or the other if I do it that way. Just have to use some minis as "counts as" in the IG list is all.

Skriker


Automatically Appended Next Post:

DeffDred wrote:If I want a LRBT with may Orks do I have to take the command squad and infintry platoon or can I just take Yarrick and a squad of vets?

I am curious...exactly why would Yarrick fight together with Orks??????

Skriker

So that when I put him on the table next to Gazz people will see how stupid the ally system is.

Plus I plan on extending Yarricks nose and ears and painting his skin green. Kommisah Yar'Git.

Bobthehero wrote:

Well as far as I know, you can't take special characters unless you're fighting with Bro in Arms.

So no Yarrick and Orks.

Daemons or Guard for my CSM, depending on which path I'll take; Word Bearers or Alpha Legion.

Bobthehero wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:

Well as far as I know, you can't take special characters unless you're fighting with Bro in Arms.

So no Yarrick and Orks.

As far as he knew? Not very far. Nowhere in the BRB does it state I cannnot take an allied special character.

Yarrick couldn't join a squad of boyz. That's where the limitations begin.

BTW that post of yours is in responce to me saying the samething about a week earlier.

To which I responded something along the lines of...

Then why is Yarrick at the top of the list as an Ork ally on the GW website?

DeffDred wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:

Well as far as I know, you can't take special characters unless you're fighting with Bro in Arms.

So no Yarrick and Orks.

As far as he knew? Not very far. Nowhere in the BRB does it state I cannnot take an allied special character.

Yarrick couldn't join a squad of boyz. That's where the limitations begin.

Yeup.

Well hell

DeffDred wrote:
Then why is Yarrick at the top of the list as an Ork ally on the GW website?

Oooooooooh I don't know, maybe because he's there for every other factions, except demons, go figure.

I collect Dark Angels (mostly Deathwing and some Ravenwing) and Orks. My Orks will not be allying with anyone most likely, but if my friends want to use my models as allies in a 2v2 game or at the store etc they are there for their use

As for my Dark Angels, I have been toying with the idea of some Black Templars (as I lack large numbers with strong sticking power against hordes, and can also sweep instead of consolidate etc.) Instead of Black Templar I may use Blood Angels, but both the BT and BA are two of my favorite chapters (besides DA). Having a larger number of power armored bodies to support my elitist Deathwing should help me withstand a little bit of my opponent's massed gaurd shooting and put enough bodies to distract my other opponent's large numbers of Space Wolf terminators, Logan, Ragnar etc.

I'm going to run a few practice lists and see how they work before I buy any models, and will most likely wait at least until the new Dark Angels codex comes out (hopefully soon).

-VardenV2

Bobthehero wrote:Well hell

DeffDred wrote:
Then why is Yarrick at the top of the list as an Ork ally on the GW website?

Oooooooooh I don't know, maybe because he's there for every other factions, except demons, go figure.

Grats on completely missing the point.