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I would rather say lack of different options. Currently, there is only 1 set of miniatures and 1 hero, to pledge money for. I would suspect that the KS would increase more once the 2nd stretch is reached (for Aenglish, 2nd, set and another 2 heroes). Then, as soon as the warstaff is introduced as a pledge, the KS is up to 2 different sets, 3 different heroes and 1 warstaff. And the more stretch goals that the KS hit, the more different options to pledge money for.

Granted, the confusion isn't helping, but if someone takes time to read the updates and comments, it becomes clear quite soon, I'd say.

@scipio.au, I totally hope you are right that RBG will hit $50k! Just imagine all the different cool stuff that Tre will be able to release to us, the customers, then! I can see myself pledge a lot of money if the KS hit that high in the end of the run.

grefven wrote:Granted, the confusion isn't helping, but if someone takes time to read the updates and comments, it becomes clear quite soon, I'd say.

Yes - but people are intrinsically lazy and it isn't readily apparent on the front page. I forwarded the link to a few different people who I know would actually be interested and it took a bit of 'splaining' before they actually managed to understand what was what.

grefven wrote:I would rather say lack of different options. Currently, there is only 1 set of miniatures and 1 hero, to pledge money for. I would suspect that the KS would increase more once the 2nd stretch is reached (for Aenglish, 2nd, set and another 2 heroes). Then, as soon as the warstaff is introduced as a pledge, the KS is up to 2 different sets, 3 different heroes and 1 warstaff. And the more stretch goals that the KS hit, the more different options to pledge money for.

See...confusing. Unless I am missing something, it currently working on the 3rd goal (2nd stretch). There is one set of rank and file of the barbarians are funded. The 4 barbarian heroes (Belegast, Blutulf, Guarthagust and Ulbrecht) are funded and we are working on the stretch goal for the English guards (which I believe will include another 2 characters when reached). Certain amount of growing pains involved to be certain, but hopefully the specifics can get worked out without too much fuss.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Right now - I think the biggest thing slowing it down is...it is a bit confusing. Sort of a combination of the naming scheme and the overlaps at dollar amounts (one $25 is sold out...another isn't...so on and so forth).

I would agree: honestly, the layout is almost amazingly confusing considering the extreme lack of options currently. Unfortunately, from what I am led to understand, much of the most confusing material cannot now be edited.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Also, as gratuitous as it might be - don't forget the chicks. They are always good for getting attention and liberating money from those who would otherwise hold back.

And I agree again! Tre sculpts some of the best realistically proportioned female minis I have ever seen, and certainly some of the most realistic. Not just Red Sonja style fantasy babes (not that there is anything wrong with them), but fully armed and armored female minis that masterfully combine elegance and power. (I would link more, but there are literally too many to practically bring attention to.)

He can edit the old pledge levels away if they have 0 backers, that's why he'd doubled up on all the levels and capped the old ones. That requires everyone to read all the updates fully and manage their pledge though, so it probably won't happen with all the $25 pledges any time soon.

I think he definitely needs to give a taste of the next stretch goal and maybe throw up a kickstarter exclusive mini (female would be smart, as mentioned) to bury the confusion in excitement.

These figures will go great with the Mantic stuff.

They are a good looking bunch, thats for sure.

Another update from Tre

" Ok guys, I am wondering if I have made a serious error in the stretch goals thus far.

I am going to be absolutely straight with everyone despite my fear it may create a back lash....... ....

The momentum was OUT STANDING on the original goal and that was far more than I had hoped, but the last 2 stretch goals do not seem to be helping the project at all. I know that there are people who contributed only to get these stretch goal models and that there are also a lot of contributions that are made just to get beyond this stretch goal to the next. My fear is that these latest stretch goals are only going to be a drag over all and that also my disorganization is a stone around the neck of the project as well.


If we make it past this $15000 mark and on to the next goal but DO NOT make to that next stretch goal as a result of the past two, where does that leave us? I see the momentum stalling fatally, and it calls me to question my choices thus far.

I have a LOT of stuff that I could use for this project and I want to please as many people as possible but I feel like I may not be making the right choices to see this project through to it's full potential. We have raised a lot of money to help make this happen and I cannot express how deeply grateful I am for all the contributions made but if I am making the wrong choices on models I feel like I should ask you directly what it is you want from this project.

I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?

Are the Aenglish footmen and characters right for this project or should I refocus on the Helsvakt only for now and hold the other factions for another project or later in this project? OR should I start introducing stretch goal retooling from one of the other factions or all of them?

Right now I have the following;

Helsvakt; ( evil barbarians )

................... Varp KRigare ( these would the same Varp Krigare that are now on the web site)

.................. Modular Hordesmen ( modular figures not yet available anywhere, 5 figures fitted for universally interchangeable legs, torsos, weapons, shields and heads).

................... Yrsa

................. Fenris

..................Belegast

Aenglish ( medieval British / Europeans )

................. Footmen

...................19 characters

Infernals

..................9 undead

.................the keeper ( make necromancer )

..................Lady Nyvenne ( female necromancer )

.................Infernal horror ( Cthulhian monstrocity greater and lesser )

..................Wraith Knights ( 6 ghostly knights fitted for interchangebale weapons )

.................Nether BEast ( hell dog )

Goblins

...............12 berserkers ( fitted for interchangeable weapons )

...............6 spearmen

...............3 arhcers

...............16 footmen ( not yet molded but ready for production )

Dvergr

................ 23 characters fit for unit making

..................a unit of 3 footmen fitted for universally interchangeable heads and weapons


Njorn

................11 characters

Aelfar

................. 26 characters

Half Orcs

......................6 characters

Halflings

....................5 characters

There really is no limit to the potential here but I need to make the right decisions to make it happen and I am asking you guys straight out what it is you want me to do. As far as I am informed there are no figrues in my line that cannot be retooled in this material so the potential IS massive. In a way I feel like I am sitting in a rocket car with the engine humming and the signal for take off is stuck on yellow because I cannot make up my mind what to do next. I have made a lot of mistakes thus far and I have learned a lot from them but I feel the greatest mistake may be not truly understanding what people want from this.

As always thank you all for supporting me thus far and for contributing to the success of this kickstarter project. it has been far more successful than I had originally hoped so let's see what can really come of it in the time left.

Cheers,

Tre'"

So let him know what you think (I want more Helsvakt, preferably the new Hordesmen, with a side order of Yrsa, but that's just me)

If you think you want to back this then PLEASE jump in now (even at the $8 single figure level, you can always add more later) as the campain does seem to have crashed to a halt and I'd rather Tre was sculpting rather than panicing

I'll be supporting this more than I normally support a Kickstarter. I've only bought one thing off of RBG, it got lost in the mail and was quickly replaced, the guy was super nice.

The miniature (he was a cleric with a lantern and a mace) already had little pins and had pre drilled holes. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.

I think Tre' needs to be adding variety at this stage, with a healthy helping of choosing figures that are compatable with Warhammer Fantasy Battle and LOTR/WOTR to get crossover appeal. Also, tits.

He also needs to be looking at figures that are a little more unique - while this might seem at odds with the WFB comment, what it means is avoiding things that the market is flooded with (medieval humans) and going for the more interesting and unique sculpts that still work in WFB/LOTR/Kings of War/etc

The Wraith Knights would be an excellent example - we all liked them here, they would fit in well to any fantasy tabletop wargame OR D&D, and are also just nice figures for those who want to paint them. There's also no glut of them as there is with figures that look like Norman foot soldiers.

A limited edition standard bearer or version of Ysera as an "add-on goal" (ie extra $15, international post free) worked wonders for Felix/AoW in it's final days.

And honestly, the confusion is even putting me off a little, and I consider myself a real enthusiast of Tre's work and RBG. It's so confusing that I feel like just throwing $50 in now, then avoiding the campaign entirely until the 11th hour and working out what i want to get then - and adjusting up or down.

Tre also needs to add some much larger pledge levels ASAP- $150, $200, $250, $500

I think it'd also be worth taking someone from the community on board who really understands KS to help manage the campaign, or at least offer daily advice and discussion. Not a fanboi or someone who wants to get 100 figures for $5, but someone business-minded who understand both how KS works, how successful campaigns work, and can take into account Tre's costs.

Finally, Tre needs to offer value that is excellent or outstanding for the pledgers. This was a big sticking point with Avatars of War and Felix. It's working out whether this is a pre-order campaign (where profit is important) or if it's more like an interest-free loan/investment into his business for the future (where covering costs is necessary, but profits are not).

That last bit is what Ronnie/Mantic "got" and Felix/AoW "didn't get". Ronnie made $350k and Felix made $40k. I personally think Tre' should increase the value for the pledges.

I don't want to seem like a prick, but it probably needs to be said now so hard decisions can be made. Right now, I can order Helsvakt Belegast the Bloodthirsty in metal for AU$11.60 from Maelstrom (free shipping, plus extra discounts), AU$11.75 direct from RBG (plus shipping), AU$24.45 (plus shipping) in resin from RBG, or for AU$7.82 plus $2.94 shipping ($10.76) from the Kickstarter - and get it in October. Where's the motivation to pledge?

Now, I'm putting in anyway, since Iike Tre', am a fan of his work and really want to see this succeed. But I see a potential problem in that above, not too far from the AoW issue.

I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion. You seem to have alot of stuff to offer, maybe there could even be some added squad based options per $$ add in.

The Dwarve KS added in a 4 buck add on for extra dwarves, maybe you might consider that in there.

All good points, scipio.au. Especially disucssing things over with someone else who have no interest in the KS itself, but someone with experience on running a successful one. There is also a big question in which direction the KS should be taken - as a pre-order system (higher profit shortterm) or as an investment (higher profit longterm).

I've put in for $110+$10 shipping, which right now means I'm getting a huge number of models that I don't really need because I think Tre is an awesome sculptor and want to see him do well.
I would love to have a reason to put more money in, but I have little reason to...even if he ends up getting 6 different troop "ranks" funded and seven separate characters, I'm still covered for all of those as I'm not looking for WFB units.

Tre really needs to add some higher pledge levels, even if they are limited. I think the quick start shows he has a solid core of fans that would probably like to put more money in to the project but can't justify increasing their pledge beyond $110 unless they're getting at least something extra.

We need some kickstarter unique stuff to get those collector nerd juices flowing. They could even be metal models if getting a limited run in the new material doesn't make sense. People aren't pledging to get the new material, they are pledging to get Tre's sculpts.
Obviously a complete model would be awesome, but some other ideas could be unique kickstarter only heads/weapons/shields in metal for the various multi-part models.

I don't think that sticking to the Helsvakt is absolutely necessary, although I think the hordesmen are a must have.

I think your lesser undead could be very popular. They are probably the best single piece zombies currently available anywhere.

I don't think the Aenglish need expansion beyond the 15k pledge unless things really pick up. They are amazing models and I've been looking for an excuse to buy them for a while, but I don't know if they're exciting enough to bring in new pledgers.

Regardless of the specifics, I think Tre needs to reveal some new potential stretch goals, with greens or concepts to get people excited. I think he needs to add some higher pledge levels that go outside the current "x number of ranks + x number of character" model. I also think he shouldn't be afraid to involve existing metal models in the process. I'm assuming that not every character models makes sense to get tooled in the new material and, like I said, people are pledging for awesome models, not necessarily awesome models in resin.




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Grot 6 wrote:I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion. You seem to have alot of stuff to offer, maybe there could even be some added squad based options per $$ add in.

The Dwarve KS added in a 4 buck add on for extra dwarves, maybe you might consider that in there.

The multiple "not quite the same" pledge levels is Tre trying to tidy up the pledges and delete the original pledge descriptions. He can only delete a pledge if it has zero backers so he's asked pledgers to switch their request to the new description so he can delete the old one. It's not really working yet unfortunately.

Grot 6 wrote:I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion.
.

Sadly Kickstarter does not allow the pledges to be edited (understandably) once anybody has backed them,

so the 'limited' (badly worded) pledges are ones Tre is trying to remove, but he can only do so once all their backers have moved over to the new (clear) pledges

(fingers crossed folk will, and if they do things can be simplified)




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I guess the other thing to point out is the very successful Dwarves Kickstarter has an average $78 spend per backer, for 20 unique figures, they priced at $4 each (ignoring the troll and non figure extras).... Looks like Mr average wants 1 of each at that price

Tre has an average of $56, for the figures he's got up so far (5 modular, 3 warstaff & 1 hero) so not too far short of folk wanting one of everything, If he could reduce the price (for larger scale backers) he'd probably get more custom, but whether he can or not ?

He's farming out the casting so we don't know what that costs him

I think RBG has a few things working against this kickstarter. First off is the confusion. The goal was met fairly quickly when it was just funding the evil barbarians. Things got off track when the scope of the project was expanded.

Second, I think outside of the core fans of RBG, the greater gaming community wants better value per figure. Mantic suceeded because they were offering crazy amounts of models per dollar. The dwarven aventurers kickstarter was funding new models to be sculpted and molded, but the cost for each figure was around $4-5 at the lower pledge levels and they'd be cast in metal. For RBG, the kickstarter is funding existing models to be convertered into a new more inexpensive than metal casting medium, but even at the lower levels you are looking at $5 per multi-part model and $6-8 for single pose characters. Reaper just moved past their $30k goal to convert old models into their Bones medium because they were offering crazy value per model.

Third, new vs. old. This kickstarter is offering old figures to be re-done versus the funding of new figures. With the Cool Mini or Not kickstarters, they generated A LOT of buzz by offering exclusive new models of thinly veiled pop culture reference models. The Dwarven adventurers kickstarter is funding new models. The Mantic kickstarter was funding new models. I think adding newly sculpted models at certain stretch goals would help.

I'm just armchair quarterbacking here, so I really don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just relating what I've seen so far, so I hope there's some value in there.

I really hope this kickstarter is successful for RBG. The more awesome figures out there, the better. If I had more disposable income right now I'd totally be supporting, but that's just not where I'm at right now as far as finances go.

yeh I think my lack of focus is what stalled the project more than anythign else. I deviated from my original plan because I second guessed it and misjudged the reason for the all the momentum. So what that means now is that I am going to totally refocus and go back to my original plan to fund the HelsVakt army only until all of the core most important elements are doen and THEN I will add to the thematic options. If needs be I can always come back around christmas with a new kickstarter to retool other stuff.

What this means is NEW STUFF. Some existing stuff as well but primarily new units and characters for the HelsVakt. Hordesmen, Cavalry, Archers, Heroes, etc. All of this will be the new lien up of Stretch Goals. I am workign liek crazy to get this done but I am still childminding and trying to satisfy some other previous responsibilities that just cannot wait. I am nto backign down or backing out btu I think I am rethinking the ambition a little.

As for prices per part. Well I tried to create value for all pledge levels. I thought that $5.00 per figure is not really such a high price if those 5 are all you want. At the $110.00 level you get 36 figures ( right now ) which comes to $3.05 per part. Mantic is producing in actual plastic which has a VERY different pricing structure. They pay less per part as the quantity they order increases. The system that I will be working with does not have the ability to do this so my costs do not scale with volume. I am still paying the same whether I order 50 or 500. So I make less money as the quantity vs cost ratio increases. I am doing the best I can and I am trying to work out better value but I am not sure how far I can go to that. Naturally the more overall gain there is to be had the more I can stand to reduce the profit potential, but getting there is a gamble.

New vs. Old..... Yeh I know that that is another part of the problem. I should have just bided my time a little longer, gotten a few new sculpts done and THEN launched the campaign. Ah well I will know better next time.

For now it is onward and upward! I am going to make as much of this as I can between now and the time the campaign closes. Cheers guys! Updates upcoming!

I changed my pledge over to the figures. I am going to post a note on the KS comments page for others to do the same, since it hasn't been discussed.

Still plenty of time left to meet your expectations on this. Just be sure to feed the project to help it grow. If you could manage to post something titillating every day - they would probably help things along (concept art for future goals, greens...).

Regarding the prices - it is are hard nut to crack. If you want a barbarian horde - $5 per figure starts to get pricey (100 man horde...$500). For singles, $5 isn't too bad at all. I assume that as soon as you pay for the mold, you will get a good run out of it before it needs replacing, so your costing may need to be looked at from that perspective as well.

You may end up selling 25 barbarians to 100 people at $5 each. However you may end up selling 75 barbarians to 200 people at $3 each. If each one costs you 50 cents in materials and $1000 for the molds (one time fee) you would make $10,250 on the $5 figures and $36,500 on the $3 figures. Granted - it is a little more complicated than all that...but as Reaper has found out with their Bones material - people like inexpensive miniatures.

Keep at it, Tre! Pick your focus for the rest of this one and ride it as far as you can.

You already reached your initial goal, so you know you have your supporters behind you. Make sure you get everything wrapped up once this kickstarter ends and then plan out your next one.

I think one thing that hurt the Avatars of War kickstarter was the delay their customers had from the first Warcast product, the warriors of apoc. Since they didn't do well with that, it hurt them when they tried to kickstart a new venture. So as long as you can sucessfully wrap this one up and make all your supporters happy, then that will help your future efforts.

Front page looks much better now - hopefully it will help clear up any confusion.

I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?

While I think the other elements are good ideas, I would be massively cautious about trying to make rules. Just look at the difficulty that Mantic is having with their rules betas (in the sense that the market is filled with truly different views on what people want); beyond that, there simply seems like a glut of rules systems out there right now. How would this even work with the existing range? Some ranges have dozens of figures, others have less then 10. Making a worthwhile set of rules would seem to be a pretty massive undertaking, and I just don't see the payout.

I think of another company that talks about putting out rules, Kingdom Death. They have a much easier time of it I think, because their setting is already so idiosyncratic (and, frankly, weird). Tre's models are simply much more... I would say "generic", but not in the prejudicial sense, but simply that they can be used in a myriad of settings, and have a strongly historical appearance (fantasy races aside). I think this is a strength for Tre as a small-scale mini maker, but it begs the question: what kind of rules would you even make?

Anyway, don't want to belabor the point. I wish I had better advice for Tre (I'll agree with Scip above though, chicks man!) then cautions.

actually, given RBG's tendency to produce nicely subtle heroic-yet-not-over-the-top sculpts some female models would be great. not the cartoonish usual fare but something a little more subtle (I loved blight wheel miniatures' mecha squire for example and I don't think I'm the only one who'd like some female fantasy models along those lines.

as in, at least quasi-realistically proportioned, not suffering from chainmail bikini syndrome and so forth.
if nothing else you'd not have too much competition there; doing something that's been done before better is good but something that hasn't really been done that much tends to sell more.

Nah...he just skips the bikini entirely:

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=201

Potentially NSFW link

I know there has been much said about... OoOoOo - no naked chix ...or something like that, but they sell. They continue to sell. They have always sold. They will always sell. For many companies - the naked chicks keep them in the black. Reaper is one of the few companies where you can get some measure of how they do with their sales by looking at the Top 50 DHL figures:

http://www.reapermini.com/RetailSupport/RackContents/00200

Of those - about half are female (the other half being monsters, accessories...and a few guys). A good half of the women would easily be considered cheese cake. Some rather blatantly (Eldessa and Virina for example). Within the world of miniatures, non-cheese cake females are a niche market (which if you do the math - a niche of a niche is little more than a cubbyhole).

...well at least it's a hell of a lot better proportioned than most of the competition. not something I'd buy but it does show he knows his stuff.
now just for some clothes

Buzzsaw wrote:

I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?

While I think the other elements are good ideas, I would be massively cautious about trying to make rules. Just look at the difficulty that Mantic is having with their rules betas (in the sense that the market is filled with truly different views on what people want); beyond that, there simply seems like a glut of rules systems out there right now. How would this even work with the existing range? Some ranges have dozens of figures, others have less then 10. Making a worthwhile set of rules would seem to be a pretty massive undertaking, and I just don't see the payout.

Rules definitely needs to be an entirely separate, and meticulously planned, Kickstarter.
Assuming that you are planning a skirmish game then both Wrath of Kings and Confrontation: Phoenix will supposedly be out within the year, if you include Warmachine in that category then that's some pretty stiff, well supported, competition. You're going to really need to bring your A game to get a piece of that market, and I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by tacking that on to this KS.

The new front page is much clearer, now we just need another update to get more people to switch to the new pledge levels.

I'd actually never heard of RBG until this Kickstarter, so from my newcomer perspective what would get me to pledge would really be a line of character's and exclusives to the kickstarter.

Fill it out with the occasional unit of troops but really focus on those character models.

This really is pertinent when you consider a lot of people have just spent most of their cash on Mantic, Sedition Wars and others so have hundreds of mini's on the way.

To make your Kickstarter relevant / unique really focus on the showcase models and get people interested in the brand through these.

The next Kickstarter can be all about volume, I would pledge if there was a number of great looking miniatures I could convince my wife I really needed to show off and put on display that I just couldn't get elsewhere.

For the $200 and higher pledge levels look at numbered limited editions, signed certificates etc. Perhaps even have a level where you automatically get 1 of everything that is produced from the Kickstarter, a kind of Set and Forget. Mantic did this with the $225 and higher levels, you got a sampler of everything that was produced.

To expand on where I earlier mentioned some people have hundreds of mini's on the way - plenty of people have more money than time. Contact a famous painter / studio and see if you can have a pledge level where they will paint these characters. Even a really good indie painter perhaps who wants to make a name for themselves may offer a discount on their services.

Anyway, best of luck!

Some new stretch goals have been posted. And I have to say that it would be quite awesome to reach them all (18 zombies count as 1 rank! How awesome isn't that?!)

Stretch Goal # 3 HelsVakt Hordesmen $20,000

If we go to $20,000 the Helsvakt Hordesmen will become available as Ranks options. Each "rank " of this pack will include; 1 sprue of 4 torsos, 4 sets of legs, 1 sprue of 5 open faced helms, 2 sprues of 4 weapons ( Axe, Sword, Ball Mace and Flanged Mace, and 4 round shields. All parts are universally interchangeable with one another granting EXPANSIVE possibilities for customizing the look of your horde! Choose to make them dual wielders or a unit of shielded warriors the choice is up to you!


HelsVakt Hordesmen Rank
Picture represents WIP sculpts some minor elements need finishing and better pics will be uploaded in the next few days once the Resin Masters are cast.


Stretch Goal #4 $25,000 Yrsa and Fenris

When we reach $25000 Yrsa the accursed and her beloved Guardian Fenris God of Wolves become available as character options to all pledges lower than $110, but will be included free in the $110.00 and above pledge.


Stretch Goal #5 $30,000 Varp Krigare

When we reach the $30,000 mark then the Varp Krigare, blood mad berserkers and personal guard of Yrsa the Acursed, become available as rank options. This set will include 4 figures ( 2 "guard " mode figures and 2 " Warp " mode figures. ) and 2 sprues of weapons ( 1 sword, 1 axe, ). one full set of 4 ( 2 guards and 2 warp models ) count as 1 rank.


Stretch Goal #6 $35,000 Conradt the Crazed

When we reach $35,000 Conradt the Crazed Champion and leader of the Varp Krigare becomes available as a character option. This set will include 2 models. Conradt's Command pose and his Warp pose and a sprue of 4 weapons ( 2 axes and 2 maces. ). Also all pledges of $110 and above get Conradt added without reducing the number of Character Option slots availible to those pledges.


Stretch Goal # 7 $45,000 UNDEAD!!!!!!

What horde of evil Hel worshipping marauders can be complete without a great shambling mass of disquiet dead? Well NONE as far as Red Box Games is concerned. These are pitiful remnants of what fools and wretches have had the great misfortune to cross the path of and HelsVakt war band. Rotting as they walk these horrifying creatures swath the enemies of the HelsVakt relentlessly, mindlessly, remorselessly.

When we reach $45,000 then the Shamblign undead become available as rank options. This set includes 9 different undead zombies x2 for a total of 18 zombies ( 1 rank ).

And the Hordesmen look awesome:


Hoping he still adds some variety to the pledge levels. Anyone at $110 right now can't really do anything but hope that more people jump in.

I want the hordesmen (even though i have no use for them) &

I want Yrsa (Fenris the wolf god is ok too, but I've got wolves) so I'm delighted at these two stretch goals

NSFW



and if the 45 K goal really does give 18 undead for 1 rank (I wonder if this should be 9 as that's what Tre sells as a set in metal) that one's a must (well actually I'll have to have them however many are there)

These are the 'metal' undead as shown on the Red Box Games site, so should be what will be redone in the new material

I really have to congratulate Tre, the graphical overview really helps to make things clear in a way that the previous text simply did not.

Thinks look like they should really shape up, I think. I had no interest in massed fantasy miniatures, and now I am thinking of dipping in my toe!

I've seen some metal miniatures from Red Box games.
I was really impressed by the quality of the castings and the sculpts.

The new stretch levels are very interesting indeed. Tempted to rise my pledge... I have to do some maths :\