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Crimson wrote:Why would they have Vanguard and Sternguard at all? Aren't all Dark Angels veterans Deathwing terminators?

They have a rarely used unit of Company Veterans, which could do the job of both Vanguard or Sternguard. Its one of the units I hope sticks around.

- Dark Angels units choose a circle that is kept secret during the game. Only a fraction of the army’s units can take a circle that has an in game effect. Circles can be revealed midgame and grant a special rule depending on the circle.

This is probably the most unique thing Dark Angels has ever gotten.

Platuan4th wrote:

Orinoco wrote: I've been hoping for a matching plasma for a while now.

The reason one doesn't exist yet is because it was never an option for Mortis dreads in the past.

Also, glad that I never added a CML to my melee termies since I would have to rip them off anyway now.

Or do what I did and magnetize all your terminator's arms. I've been playing GW games long enough to know that what's good now may not be in the future (or even allowed...).

pretre wrote:I got those into a combined release thread with stick monkey's digital releases. I'm trying to diversify.

Sorry, you got me again with your ninja changing topics of your threads:
"And now for something completely different!"
Frankly, I am not a fan of "all rumours I hear" threads.

Pretre vs Kroothawk - Cage match!



Anyway, removing Cyclone Options from CCW Termies just seems like a needless arbitrary change to me. Hell even I've got Cyclone/Lightning Claw Terminators (although admittedly they're for Deathwatch, where such arbitrary restrictions on weapons don't really exist).

And let's hope that bringing a character (or at least a Master) in Termy armour unlocks Deathwatch. It'd suck if Belial had to chaperone every single DW army on the table.

I guess we should come up with a system. I'm trying to keep similar topics together. Means I do a fair bit of ninja work.

But keeping Faeit rumours in one (quarantine) thread for "practical reasons" might be a good idea. As he mixes all release rumours of the next two years (plus explanations why previous rumours were wrong) in just one post

Hmm. Faeit rumor thread. Interesting. Are you thinking just for his rumors or a broader one monger per thread?

Why would finished armies be pushed back? I could understand GW "locking" Dec/Jan because of the Hobbit, but a Starter set codex being sent back half a year just sounds...off. Hasn't every starter set been accompanied by a major codex (ie Marines) on pratically all releases?

When Island of Blood came out, the Skaven army book had been out for several months, while the High Elf one had been out for years.

Assault on Black Reach, while the Marine codex was new, the Ork codex was (and still remains) an established 4th edition one.

I think the Codices linked to the starter set are usually released around the time of the starter set. Battle for Skull Pass had Dwarves, and I think they were the army book that came out directly before 7th ed, right?

Losing the ability to mix a ranged Anti-Tank weapon in with your Close Combat squads will sting, but that sting will be worth it if Terminator squads lose the 5 model cap.

Absolutely no way are these real. They are totally in the opposite direction of all new codexes. No new units? No unique rules? No fliers? Elite scouts still?

Theres no way this is correct.

Eeps wrote:Absolutely no way are these real. They are totally in the opposite direction of all new codexes. No new units? No unique rules? No fliers? Elite scouts still?

There’s no way this is correct.

Probably, but it’s fun to speculate.

At what point exactly will this Faeit212 just be declared a garbage source and not be posted in here anymore?

The rumour threads are starting to become a big mess.

Folk want rumours (or real info, but fat chance of that) to inspire, discus, moan about etc

So never, (unless Admin ban rumor threads)

You also have to consider even 'trusted' sources seem to be wrong as often as they are right. It's not as if there is a reliable go to

I agree these rumours are bogus and almost completely at odds with what I have heard, the inner circle thing sounds bogus too, as I heard it was a unit and not a "special rule"

What i have heard about DW units

Belial: price bump, no longer has option of weapons, come with MC relic blade and storm bolter.

DW unit: max 10 man size, 2nd weapon come cheaper, can still mix units, TH/SS costs 5pts pr model, otherwise unchanged

An "elite" DW unit, I admit my source was a bit vague on this, but he seems to indicate that this may be the "inner circle" unit or an upgrade from it.

I will contact him again and try to find out more, for example this person has not said anything about Chaplains being elite or scouts remaining elite.

Although I'm not a DA player, maybe I'll build some DW to ally with the BA horde, but there are some thing to keep in mind here.

Not all play testers play test the same packet of rules. It's completely possible that Source A has one version, Source B another, and so on down the line. What's true in one version may not be true in any other version.

Also, Sources might just throw in some garbage here and there to throw off the scent of Big Brother. For example; Inner Circle rule is true (GW is on to me!), Scouts are Elite (GW is losing my scent), Belial is WS6, but now 170 points and still unlocks DW as troops (GW now thinks I'm just guessing at crap at getting lucky since only 1 of these 3 things about Belial is true).

It also could be as simple, although HIGHLY unlikely, as GW leaking crap through sources or telling sources to leak crap, just to see how the various communities react.

They are rumors. That's all, just rumors. They are meant to entice, whet your appetite, get you talking, get you thinking.

Like I said, I don't play DA but I read this thread every time there's a post.

It gets me thinking about Allies.

More importantly to GW, it gets me thiking about new minis and buying things.

Relax, discuss, have fun.

TalonZahn wrote:Although I'm not a DA player, maybe I'll build some DW to ally with the BA horde, but there are some thing to keep in mind here.

Not all play testers play test the same packet of rules. It's completely possible that Source A has one version, Source B another, and so on down the line. What's true in one version may not be true in any other version.

Also, Sources might just throw in some garbage here and there to throw off the scent of Big Brother. For example; Inner Circle rule is true (GW is on to me!), Scouts are Elite (GW is losing my scent), Belial is WS6, but now 170 points and still unlocks DW as troops (GW now thinks I'm just guessing at crap at getting lucky since only 1 of these 3 things about Belial is true).

It also could be as simple, although HIGHLY unlikely, as GW leaking crap through sources or telling sources to leak crap, just to see how the various communities react.

They are rumors. That's all, just rumors. They are meant to entice, whet your appetite, get you talking, get you thinking.

Like I said, I don't play DA but I read this thread every time there's a post.

It gets me thinking about Allies.

More importantly to GW, it gets me thiking about new minis and buying things.

Relax, discuss, have fun.

Fair comment

Updating this thread to consolidate Faeit Threads.

TalonZahn wrote:Relax, discuss, have fun.

I like your style.

Also, really hoping that DW squads stay mixed, otherwise that would make me have to put away a LOT of models.

Update so vague that I don't think I can even update the rumor tracking thread.

Updated with Chaos Rumors

Totally uninspiring for the Angels. As a diehard Angel player, unless the models are outstanding, theres very little need for this codex - tust me thats hard for me to say, but rules wise just way too similar to Vanilla.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

- Dark Angels units choose a circle that is kept secret during the game. Only a fraction of the army’s units can take a circle that has an in game effect. Circles can be revealed midgame and grant a special rule depending on the circle.

This is probably the most unique thing Dark Angels has ever gotten.

Isn't having something on your list that you don't tell the opponent about until it's used kind of a big change? Not to mention ripe for abuse. Say the circles cost a max of 50 points, so you make a 1450 point list for a 1500 tournament, and then bust out whatever circle best suits how the game is going. It just seems so poorly thought, not that that means it isn't real, this is GW after all.

Kroothawk wrote:I really hope that Faeit 212 gets his first rumour right (his track record is 100% negative up to now), but then we certainly lose the anonymous source being revealed now to GW.

Sources perhaps?

I like how in one post dated 8-2-12, a source predicts the upcoming release with DA being April 2013.

naftka wrote:via Faeit 212"A Must remain Anonymous Source"

...

Model production and codex production are decoupled after the planning phase now. Warriors of Chaos, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marine codices are finished, Tau and High Elves nearly finished. Models for all of them plus Eldar are finished (modeled, not necessarily mass produced or boxed). Dark Elves nearly finished. Dwarfs, Wood Elves and Space Marines models are in the works. Release dates are, Chaos Space Marines (October 2012), Warriors of Chaos (November 2012), High Elves (February 2013), Dark Angels (April 2013) and the rest is not fixed.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/08/games-workshop-news-schedulestyranids.html#more

The same day, naftka posts a source that states both Chaos and DA will be released before Christmas

naftka wrote:via Faeit 212 "a must remain anonymous source"

...

Unless something changed since yesterday afternoon, we're getting CSM and DA before Christmas with the current plan being for both to be in our hands before November.

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/08/november-releases.html#more

I'm a bit perplexed that the same source would contradict themselves so quickly? Thus my thoughts are that Naftka is quoting from multiple sources.

Yeah, it is pretty clear that he is either schizophrenic or has multiple sources feeding him info. He isn't really sorting through them though so I think at least one of them is feeding him a line. Unfortunately, since he takes them all and doesn't say 'Source A' 'Source B', this means it all falls on him.

Faeit212 certainly has several rumour sources and rumour posters, of different quality. The 8-2-12 post sounds plausible.

Kroothawk wrote:Faeit212 certainly has several rumour sources and rumour posters, of different quality. The 8-2-12 post sounds plausible.

Which one

Model production and codex production are decoupled after the planning phase now. Warriors of Chaos, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marine codices are finished, Tau and High Elves nearly finished. Models for all of them plus Eldar are finished (modeled, not necessarily mass produced or boxed). Dark Elves nearly finished. Dwarfs, Wood Elves and Space Marines models are in the works. Release dates are, Chaos Space Marines (October 2012), Warriors of Chaos (November 2012), High Elves (February 2013), Dark Angels (April 2013) and the rest is not fixed.