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yeah,

Bolognesus wrote:
isn't panic up to his usual antics? are you not allowed to post your POV?

Ok can you copy me into the examples of my previous antics?
I'm not sure of what I'm being accused of here as this is the first manitic thread I've been involved in in a long time.
Have you got the correct person?

Panic...

...and look how it made sure there were nooo negative comments on the first few pages at all.
really, you're tilting at windmills now.

Yeah, 3 pages and half of the posts are "oh noes, the OP is different! This has totally unfair-sed my brain and opinion that I spent time and mind power typing up so people would knows it!" Changing threads is mildly annoying and it cuts the flow of discussion, but it's hardly worth getting worked up over. OP only matters for news and updates, it's the last page that really matters anyways.

At the risk of staying on topic, has there been any insight on what the next 4 factions might be? I know there were supposed to be 8 races for Warpath and a few of them even had names iirc, bnut not much more than that. I imagine the Dreadball races will match those factions, so it might be some nice cross-info on what's down the pipe for both games.

yeah,

Bolognesus wrote:
isn't panic up to his usual antics?

I just searched through my previous posts.
The last post I've made in a news a rumours thread regarding Mantic before dreadball was.
Mantic Games - Dwarf King's Hold: Dead Rising - STARTING TO SHIP!
Boom!

So again I ask can you point me to my 'usual antics', or can we just chalk your chatter down as baseless defamations of character.

Panic...

Good point, I'm beginning to think Panic is a corporate shill as well now.

Really the problem is the impression that this thread is about Dakkanauts being sold Dreadball by a Mantic rep and not a discussion about Dreadball by Dakkanauts.

While not against the rules here I for one think adverts belong in the strip at the top of the page not in the content. A small but vital difference.

Going from previous thread. People on Dakka do not need an excuse to moan about something!

Looks pretty good to me. As the kickstarter grows you will get more cool stuff. Unfortunately I am just plain tapped out at this time.

And why the hell is this now telling me i'm a yank???

 MunkeyKungFu wrote:
And why the hell is this now telling me i'm a yank???

...breathe deeply, and embrace your inner cheeseburger!

 Kalamadea wrote:
At the risk of staying on topic, has there been any insight on what the next 4 factions might be? I know there were supposed to be 8 races for Warpath and a few of them even had names iirc, bnut not much more than that. I imagine the Dreadball races will match those factions, so it might be some nice cross-info on what's down the pipe for both games.

There are the Zz'orr who are some insectoid aliens, and the Asterians, broadly described as space elves, to come, and I seem to recall mention of strange things emerging from black holes too. the Veer'myn are described in-game as the "Eighth Race", so presumably there will be eight of them in total.

Useful post over, now everybody can get back to bellyaching about which thread we should be using...

Just to clear up some misinformation that people are mistaking for fact:

I do not work for Mantic, I have never received any money from Mantic.

I'm simply a fan of theirs. I also like ponies.

I have gone to great efforts to keep the OP impartial and factual, as I did with the KoW Kickstarter post, which can be found here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/451718.page#4323939

If anyone would like anything to be deleted from the OP because they feel that it is unfairly biased, just let me know and I'll delete it.

Guys, my very first reply to the OP is negative... You're making mountains out of molehills.

I don't like this Kickstarter, but I would like to get back on topic. Can the "thread creation in N&R" discussion be taken to Nuts & Bolts, please?

 scarletsquig wrote:
@Ironic: Yeah, $100 and $150 will be the levels that get all the goodies.

Mantic tends to be quite generous with these things, so expect a mixture of single models and entire teams to appear as freebies. Wouldn't be surprised to see an extra 50 or so miniatures thrown in by the end of this.

thats my hope, even a single team that looks neat I'd i'll be back to throwing the shut up and take my money meme around. $100 for the starter set and a team I'd want to play plus whatever else gets added in sounds perfecto

 notprop wrote:
Good point, I'm beginning to think Panic is a corporate shill as well now.

Really the problem is the impression that this thread is about Dakkanauts being sold Dreadball by a Mantic rep and not a discussion about Dreadball by Dakkanauts.

While not against the rules here I for one think adverts belong in the strip at the top of the page not in the content. A small but vital difference.

And if Scarlet is a Press Ganger? What difference does it make?

Virtually all "Kickstarter-discussion" on this forum are started and kept lively by the people who are behind the respective Kickstarters.

Not to mention the ad-threads kept by Zinge or Scribor or whoever is doing wargaming bits & bolts out there.


I can see the logic behind your moral objection. But if you make that judgement, you should pass it fairly to everyone and to every discussion here that is drumming their own product a little bit.

yeah,

 RiTides wrote:
...I don't like this Kickstarter, but I would like to get back on topic.

I'll get straight back on topic once I've been told which other mantic threads I've left 'turds' in?

I put my hands up and say that I'm not a fan of mantic.
I find it hard to support a company that seems to have a product line that blatantly mirrors another companies products?
That said I've not been overly negitive about Mantic, and I've asked to be pointed to where fanbois believe I have been.

Panic...

@ All: Please stay on-topic and be courteous. Thanks!

I backed at $100 for now see how this develops - can someone clarify 1 thing the difference between $100 and $150 is the 2 extra teams and digital creating of book the 2 teams available separately both cost $40 ($20 each) - now I know I'm only assuming that the next teams will cost $20 but are you paying $10 extra for a digital book or have I missed something?

DaveC wrote:
I backed at $100 for now see how this develops - can someone clarify 1 thing the difference between $100 and $150 is the 2 extra teams and digital creating of book the 2 teams available separately both cost $40 ($20 each) - now I know I'm only assuming that the next teams will cost $20 but are you paying $10 extra for a digital book or have I missed something?

Original dreadball leak thread had their MSRP at $24.99 each. Also I suppose that, like the differences between $175 & $225 on the KoW KS the $100 level will get a lot of extras, but there will be a few things on top of that for the "striker!" level yet.

Thanks yeah I assumed from some of Mantics comments that Striker $150 gets more stuff on top of what Jack $100 gets I can always up it later just not interested in Skittersneak Stealers team so I'll hold off until more teams are revealed and decide then the Midgard Delvers team look great though - they remind me of Ram man from He-man!. Hopefully more poses will get unlocked as the 3 per faction is a bit limited for now.

 Panic wrote:


I find it hard to support a company that seems to have a product line that blatantly mirrors another companies products?

I know. Its ridiculous. Seriously.

Games Workshop is so blatantly ripping off Dungeons & Dragons, Robert E Howard's Conan... and we all know that Orcs are TM and (c) J.R.R.Tolkien. can't wait for Michael Moorcock to sue them for stealing literally everything about Chaos and Dark Elves from him.

Been sick of the "ripping off GW" claims that every company who makes fantasy anything has endured for the past 20 years when almost nothing GW themselves have done had any spark of originality.

I also specifically love the anti-Mantic hate because these are all GW employees. Funny how everyone would be praising this if it had a different company logo on it even with the same game designers.

DaveC wrote:
...the Midgard Delvers team look great though - they remind me of Ram man from He-man!

So they do! Amazingly, I had failed to spot that, but it's yet another reason to invest, because Ram-Man, it has been suggested, could become as valuable as gold... (N.B. I realise he won't, but it's a pleasingly silly story.)

Hrrrrrrm.

The Rats look better than their Warpath counterparts as the armor they are wearing is actually 'space' armor, not steampunk. But they seem to be missing their space pants which has confused me. Their upper body is amazingly armored and then they have kneepads and a diaper?

I am also confused why the Forefathers which are armored up in the Warpath line are now breaking out their leather boots for this futuristic space battle. I mean even the Orcs and Goblins armored up head to toe (and I do mean toe as they actually are wearing shoes!!!) and the forefathers who probably int he Fluff built the armor for the orc team are playing sports in their peasant tabards and hiking boots?

I am highly confused and disappointed and as a massive Bloodbowl fan and someone who paints up sports games minis... I am very discouraged.

Give the rats space roller skates. Give the Dwarves hydralic hammer space fists... I dunno, I can't see how robot space men are playing a super sport in the future against half-naked rats with no padding.

At least the Orcs are good and that is my primary focus. Maybe This is not a serious attempt at a stand-alone sports game so the models needed to be made compatible with a fantasy universe to hedge bets should the game not take off. More Elfball?

yeah,

judgedoug wrote:

 Panic wrote:

I find it hard to support a company that seems to have a product line that blatantly mirrors another companies products?

...Been sick of the "ripping off GW" claims that every company who makes fantasy anything has endured for the past 20 years when almost nothing GW themselves have done had any spark of originality.
I also specifically love the anti-Mantic hate because these are all GW employees. Funny how everyone would be praising this if it had a different company logo on it even with the same game designers.

Which table top war game did warhammer copy? or 40k? or spacehulk or bloodbowl?

There is a difference in being inspired by something like the aliens movies and making a game like Spacehulk.
And looking at another company and thinking I could that but for cheaper...

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

judgedoug wrote:

 Panic wrote:

I find it hard to support a company that seems to have a product line that blatantly mirrors another companies products?

...Been sick of the "ripping off GW" claims that every company who makes fantasy anything has endured for the past 20 years when almost nothing GW themselves have done had any spark of originality.
I also specifically love the anti-Mantic hate because these are all GW employees. Funny how everyone would be praising this if it had a different company logo on it even with the same game designers.

Which table top war game did warhammer copy? or 40k? or spacehulk or bloodbowl?

There is a difference in being inspired by something like the aliens movies and making a game like Spacehulk.
And looking at another company and thinking I could that but for cheaper...

Panic...

Off the top of my head, Chainmail and Laserburn. And WHFB was originally a chit game (models optional) so certainly any number of Avalon Hill games. Remember, Warhammer was created when GW lost the D&D license.

Moreover, it's a bit of a stretch to accuse DreadBall, or indeed Project Pandora, of being straight copies of Blood Bowl or Space Hulk; the mechanics are sufficiently different that there's really very little similarity to be found beyond their respective themes.

Now I don't doubt that Mantic see Blood Bowl- and Space Hulk-shaped gaps in the market - ones of GW's own making, mind you - and are more than happy to fill them, but that's really not the same thing, and shouldn't invite any particular opprobrium. (Particularly since GW have been unapologetic about the wholly-commercial basis of the rationale behind their dropping Space Hulk and (effectively) Blood Bowl.)

Is that not the reason certain employees left GW to join several other companies?

I am very excited about Dreadball. I do not think it will be as amazing as Blood Bowl is, but that's a very high goal.

I can't say that I'm excited about any sort of sport game or minis. But the human and orc teams look great. The ref is fantastic too.

The Veermyn and Dwarf teams don't look so hot. Though that could just be the one picture we have of them being bad (and it is mostly from behind).

* I will add that I'm grateful there's a Kickstarter out there that is finally NOT tempting me to throw a bunch of money at it to get a dump-truck full of minis I don't need emptied in my driveway.

I simply don't think there's enough value to be had in this kickstarter to warrant backing it. I'm not anti-Mantic, but I think the sculpts are a little blah and generic for what the asking price is, and I knew right away I wouldn't be backing when their "early bird" offering was at $140.

Compared to other products in the market, what you seem to be getting with this game simply isn't up to par. Had they included the two extra armies as a piece of the $80 package, I think more people would be interested in backing. As is, unless you're just dying to get a hold of this as early as possible, I don't see any reason not to just wait and get it from a discounter.

yeah,

judgedoug wrote:
Off the top of my head, Chainmail and Laserburn. And WHFB was originally a chit game (models optional) so certainly any number of Avalon Hill games. Remember, Warhammer was created when GW lost the D&D license.

If we are saying once you place pieces on the table your coping an idea that's aready been done I'll accept your point that GW has copied other companys ideas.

It's widly accepted that Warhammer FB is the first fantasy tabletop battle game that involves armies of minitures.
Warhammer came about when GW they noticed that peoples D&D collections of minitures became too big to use all of them in Roleplaying enviroments, and came up with a game that allowed you to play with all your toys. A bit like how they invented apoc to allow people to use all their 40k toys.
40k was doing that but in space.

Before GW made Warhammer there was no game out there with armies of skeletons fighting armies of dwarfs.
Before GW made 40k there was no tabletop miniture war gaming with Space orks fighting Space elfs.
Before GW made bloodbowl there was no fantasy football involving orks, dwarfs, humans or skaven...

It seems that once a Mantic thread is started and someone mentions GW the mantic fans all come out in number crying about thread derailment...
To this extreme case whereby they demanded (and got) a thread reboot.
I've even had wild accusations thrown at me that 'I'm up to my usual antics' dispite having not posted negitively in a mantic thread before dreadball.
I'm starting to get the feeling that this must be the standard welcome you recieve in all mantic threads?

Which causes me to ask;
Why is it that no one is accusing companies like Studio McVey of stealing ideas from GW?
While people are accusing Mantic of coping GW?
Could it simply be a result of the fact that Studio McVey has had original ideas while Mantic have none?

Fantasy football has been done before both with and without fantasy creatures.
The only original idea I can see is that game pieces do not reset which looks very interesting.
At first look it looks like the flow of the game will mimic basket ball where by teams run from one end to the other.

I'm interested in it because I like fantasy football and I like space so I'm closely following the topic.
But I will not be told by mantic fanbois that I can not compare the game to bloodbowl in the dreadball thread.

Panic...

Looks like the number of women in the Warpath universe has increased to a grand total of one. That's progress, I suppose.