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Yeah, you could do that, I am just kinda fond of the current "jump" poses that the Seraphim figs have now... it'd look wonky on any other model in the army, of course...

 Psienesis wrote:
Yeah, you could do that, I am just kinda fond of the current "jump" poses that the Seraphim figs have now... it'd look wonky on any other model in the army, of course...

I also love them because they are the only ones that easy to convert, since the foot-slogging all have the cloak/skirt fusing the legs/arms together.

 dpal666 wrote:
instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

Ugh cringe. Any true sisters player would balk at the relegation of their girls to Henchmen status.

I've always thought a weakness in the Sisters codex was the sheer lack of variation in their line: Troops: Rhino-sisters. HS? Three Excorcists. HQ? Saint Celestine and Jump pack Canoness (Jacobus is de rigeur now, but he's a man.)
FS? as many Seraphim as you can shake a stick at. We need to get Penitent engines in and some sort of AV14 massive Church Lander you see in all the art.

So dying for a new SoB codex right now, Acts of Faith were the most creative thing to happen to 40k once upon a time.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 dpal666 wrote:
instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

Ugh cringe. Any true sisters player would balk at the relegation of their girls to Henchmen status.

I've always thought a weakness in the Sisters codex was the sheer lack of variation in their line: Troops: Rhino-sisters. HS? Three Excorcists. HQ? Saint Celestine and Jump pack Canoness (Jacobus is de rigeur now, but he's a man.)
FS? as many Seraphim as you can shake a stick at. We need to get Penitent engines in and some sort of AV14 massive Church Lander you see in all the art.

So dying for a new SoB codex right now, Acts of Faith were the most creative thing to happen to 40k once upon a time.

Yeah, they're a perfectly viable army all of their own. Just using them as henchmen seems silly tbh.

Also - there can be some variation, my Sisters army will boast 30 Repentia and 9 Penitent Engines!

 Ovion wrote:

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

 dpal666 wrote:
instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

So dying for a new SoB codex right now, Acts of Faith were the most creative thing to happen to 40k once upon a time.

Yeah, they're a perfectly viable army all of their own. Just using them as henchmen seems silly tbh.

Also - there can be some variation, my Sisters army will boast 30 Repentia and 9 Penitent Engines!

Good luck with that, that'll cost you what, 500? The mere fact that we are seeing Eldar releases (That new friggin half a Titan for gods sake), Tau releases (They WERE a 4th edition codex, but come on, look at Black Templar!) among others first (And the rumors of a new SM codex) just blows my mind. I mean, they redid the Tau, as someone said here, and they sold like HOTCAKES, I mean come on! They sold out everywhere! I feel that Sisters are REALLY unique in more ways than the fact theyre just women. They are, (Considering they bring back FAITH) a vastly different army in their playstyle, no matter how much they can butcher them and their fanbase (WARD!!!). If they put some time into it, JUST A LITTLE, Im pretty sure from a business standpoint they could make some SERIOUS cash.

In any case, Ill hold onto my blind faith that they will do something with the SOMEday, maybe not in this edition, but in 7th or 8th.

I was hoping for a Sisters release this year but we're probably looking at mid 2014.

My full planned collection, atm, would cost roughly £650-700 (roughly US$1000) new from GW :(
But yes, by rights, Sisters should get ome love in 2014.
The last codex (yes it was in White Dwarf, yes it isn't available normally, yes it was handled terribly, but it's still an actual codex.) was in 2011, and Blood Angels got their full book 3 years after... So here's hoping!

 gpfunk wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
On a sidenote, since that incident with the Bloodtide was mentioned ... I actually have no problem with this at all, and can't really "get" the criticism. All that this bit of fluff shows is two things:
- the SoB have an incredible resistance against corruption (which is one of the army's central themes, and fits to other cool stories such as this one), so much so that even the GK may occasionally depend on them
- the GK are extremely pragmatic, so much so that they don't hesitate to kill their allies if they judge this to be necessary for the greater good (which also fits to the whole Inquisition stuff)

God please take all my Exalts. People who complain about that fluff seem to ignore the other pieces in the codex where they hunt down and kill entire regiments of poor Imperial Guardsmen just for knowing that they exist. Don't know why the Sisters would get any special treatment in the face of overwhelming pragmatism.

I'd love decent plastic sculpts for the basic troops. I could roll them into my Inquisitorial Retinues. Heck, it'd just be nice to have some normal, female armored bodies to work with for conversions rather than having to go third party.

I was incredibly sad to see the SoB shoehorned into a white dwarf release, I'd gotten excited to see if there were any new models that would be released. Alas. That said, GW hasn't removed them from their website, so they must not be looking to can them any time soon.

To be honest, I used to be one of those people who was overly upset at that piece of fluff. As in, so overly upset that I completely mutilated my nicely-painted metal Grey Knight Terminator I've had since 2005. Luckily, someone - probably one of the fine people in this thread - took the time to explain it to me in detail.

It didn't help that the first time I encountered that piece of fluff was in a thread complaining about it on Dakka, where people used overly violent and brutal imagery words to describe it. And then I never did bother to actually go and read it, even after I started a GK army a number of months later. Still haven't read it.

But yes, that piece of fluff makes a lot more sense to me now than it did when all I could picture was a bunch of GKs shredding Sisters of Battle to harvest their blood. That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach, despite the fact that one time, when playing Starcraft II, what I did as Terran VS Zerg on a money map, was I massed infantry in the middle, then asked my Zerg opponent to send in his assault force. I watched, smiling and laughing, as the banelings and other units caused horrific waves of green and red gore to explode through my formation. I'm actually smiling while thinking about it right now. But because all those Marines and Marauders or whatever were male, I don't feel ill about it. I'm weird that way. : D

On a more pleasant topic, I haven't bought any Sisters of Battle stuff since I got my Exorcist a couple of years ago. There's just nothing left that I would use but don't have. I only play smallish games - 1,000 to 1,250 points or so - so going out and expanding my army to Apocalypse type levels is pointless. I have enough Battle Sisters to cover my needs, enough special and heavy weapons to field all the units I want to, I have 2 Canonesses with different loadouts should I ever want to use one in place of Celestine, I have Celestine, I have a Uriah-bomb unit, I have two Immolators that can be swapped between Exorcists, Immolators, and Rhinos by using different turrets (I use the Whirlwind turret with an Immolator chassis as an Exorcist sometimes, since I'm afraid of dropping my Exorcist for fear it'll shatter into dozens of pieces when it hits the floor), I have Seraphim, I have Repentia, I have a pair of Hospitallers, I have Simulacrums, I have a pair of Penitent Engines... Just about the only things I don't have are some specific loadouts for Superiors and Arco-flagellants.

So really, the only reason I'd get new models is if there are new units that come out with a new Codex, if new models come out that look better, or if plastic Sisters models are released - which I'd use to make furry and scaly Sororitas! : D

Also, some honest tanks, I remember when the Immolator was considered one of the best tanks, and then Cruddace touched it and did to it what he did to my poor Carnifexes.

 Pouncey wrote:
To be honest, I used to be one of those people who was overly upset at that piece of fluff. As in, so overly upset that I completely mutilated my nicely-painted metal Grey Knight Terminator I've had since 2005. Luckily, someone - probably one of the fine people in this thread - took the time to explain it to me in detail.

It didn't help that the first time I encountered that piece of fluff was in a thread complaining about it on Dakka, where people used overly violent and brutal imagery words to describe it. And then I never did bother to actually go and read it, even after I started a GK army a number of months later. Still haven't read it.

But yes, that piece of fluff makes a lot more sense to me now than it did when all I could picture was a bunch of GKs shredding Sisters of Battle to harvest their blood. That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach.

That's often the case with the internet. I read over that bit of fluff many a time to try and fully comprehend what people were finding so abhorrent about it. If they'd read it they would've known the context in which the act was committed. I saw it more as a noble sacrifice on behalf of the sisters. I don't know if they recognized the warriors stemming the daemon tide specifically as the Grey Knights, but they certainly recognized them as the best hope to fight whatever horrors were at the center of the maelstrom. It also speaks to the purity of the Sisters, that they were so pure the Grey Knights called upon them to protect them from the raw fury of the warp.

I see it as a bit of tragic beauty. But then again, it's just one perspective.

 gpfunk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
To be honest, I used to be one of those people who was overly upset at that piece of fluff. As in, so overly upset that I completely mutilated my nicely-painted metal Grey Knight Terminator I've had since 2005. Luckily, someone - probably one of the fine people in this thread - took the time to explain it to me in detail.

It didn't help that the first time I encountered that piece of fluff was in a thread complaining about it on Dakka, where people used overly violent and brutal imagery words to describe it. And then I never did bother to actually go and read it, even after I started a GK army a number of months later. Still haven't read it.

But yes, that piece of fluff makes a lot more sense to me now than it did when all I could picture was a bunch of GKs shredding Sisters of Battle to harvest their blood. That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach.

That's often the case with the internet. I read over that bit of fluff many a time to try and fully comprehend what people were finding so abhorrent about it. If they'd read it they would've known the context in which the act was committed. I saw it more as a noble sacrifice on behalf of the sisters. I don't know if they recognized the warriors stemming the daemon tide specifically as the Grey Knights, but they certainly recognized them as the best hope to fight whatever horrors were at the center of the maelstrom. It also speaks to the purity of the Sisters, that they were so pure the Grey Knights called upon them to protect them from the raw fury of the warp.

I see it as a bit of tragic beauty. But then again, it's just one perspective.

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

 Kain wrote:

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

Well, it's one that I would like to rewrite personally.

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

Well, it's one that I would like to rewrite personally.

Honestly it's probably "Look how awesome the knights are!"

Also this guy wrote a single Chaos Dreadnought slaughtering it's way through a sister's of battle world, meltas, lascannons, and even a living saint giving up her powers failed to stop it. But one marine throwing a hammer destroyed it.

Once.

 Kain wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

Well, it's one that I would like to rewrite personally.

Honestly it's probably "Look how awesome the knights are!"

Also this guy wrote a single Chaos Dreadnought slaughtering it's way through a sister's of battle world, meltas, lascannons, and even a living saint giving up her powers failed to stop it. But one marine throwing a hammer destroyed it.

Once.

Most warhammer fluff is over the top. I personally don't find this one instance any more egregious than the next.

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

Well, it's one that I would like to rewrite personally.

Honestly it's probably "Look how awesome the knights are!"

Also this guy wrote a single Chaos Dreadnought slaughtering it's way through a sister's of battle world, meltas, lascannons, and even a living saint giving up her powers failed to stop it. But one marine throwing a hammer destroyed it.

Once.

Most warhammer fluff is over the top. I personally don't find this one instance any more egregious than the next.

It's effectively insulting the combat capacity of an entire order of the Sisters.

It says that one order in it's entirety is less capable than one single space marine.

 Kain wrote:
It's effectively insulting the combat capacity of an entire order of the Sisters.

It says that one order in it's entirety is less capable than one single space marine.

The Eldar were effectively insulted in about every codex for a long period of time. You had Eldar Avatars turned into common whipping boys by nearly every faction. Sisters aren't the only ones getting picked on.

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:
It's effectively insulting the combat capacity of an entire order of the Sisters.

It says that one order in it's entirety is less capable than one single space marine.

The Eldar were effectively insulted in about every codex for a long period of time. You had Eldar Avatars turned into common whipping boys by nearly every faction. Sisters aren't the only ones getting picked on.

Hence why I suggested that the Eldar and Sisters of battle form a club, the Tyranids can join too since they lose most of the battles in their own codex.

And note that in said story, written by ward, the Sisters not only didn't stop it, but they did absolutely no damage.

In my 4 years of 40k I've only ever met 1 man that said he had a sisters army.

HisDivineShadow wrote:I've long been wanting a unified Inquisition dex.

How is that in any way relevant to the conversation?

dpal666 wrote:instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

Ooor... you could use them as Sisters and actually win.

pretre wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:
God please take all my Exalts.

Seconded. Lynata's SOB fluff posts are how I wish I could be if I was patient and less sarcastic.

Just.. yeah. Thirded.

Kain wrote:[
You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

He just needs practice. >> The actual piece of fluff is what, three lines long? It's literally "The first thing the Grey Knights do when they arrive is turn their blades on the surviving Sisters in order to anoint their armour with the blood as a ward against the Bloodtide." That's it.

Kain wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 gpfunk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

You're ascribing way too much talent to Matt Ward's abilities as a writer there. It would be a better interpretation, but it's not one that he as a writer has shown the talent to create.

Well, it's one that I would like to rewrite personally.

Honestly it's probably "Look how awesome the knights are!"

Also this guy wrote a single Chaos Dreadnought slaughtering it's way through a sister's of battle world, meltas, lascannons, and even a living saint giving up her powers failed to stop it. But one marine throwing a hammer destroyed it.

Once.

Most warhammer fluff is over the top. I personally don't find this one instance any more egregious than the next.

It's effectively insulting the combat capacity of an entire order of the Sisters.

It says that one order in it's entirety is less capable than one single space marine.

Heck, I don't think you go far enough. It's basically saying that an Order in its entirety, including a Living Saint is less capable than one Tanith scout with a lasgun.

Personally, I believe that said dreadnought was infact some kind of super-daemon, and the hammer just took off the last hull point after the Sisters stripped it of the other 3000.

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Heck, I don't think you go far enough. It's basically saying that an Order in its entirety, including a Living Saint is less capable than one Tanith scout with a lasgun.

Personally, I believe that said dreadnought was infact some kind of super-daemon, and the hammer just took off the last hull point after the Sisters stripped it of the other 3000.

Apparently Abnett thinks that Chaos Dreadnoughts are a dime a dozen asset made of tin foil.

lol, true. There's the one in the Eisenhorn audiobook that gets taken out by a krak grenade and a force sword, too.

Arais wrote:
and no new plastic units for the army since its INCEPTION.

Except for the Immolator which was originally a metal/plastic kit.

They haven't had an update since 3rd, but to say they've never had an update is just flat-out wrong (released in 2nd edition, remember).

 Furyou Miko wrote:
lol, true. There's the one in the Eisenhorn audiobook that gets taken out by a krak grenade and a force sword, too.

Read the Word Bearers trilogy if you want a badass chaos Dreadnought. The Warmonger is a rockingly awesome guy. Shame about his eventual fate.

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 Furyou Miko wrote:

dpal666 wrote:instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

Ooor... you could use them as Sisters and actually win.

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I do use SoB as a stand alone, when I want larger battles, they become henchmen, as I don't enjoy the ally thing. Combining them, I can do 8k battles as a GK army.

Sisters just don't scale up very well IME, <2K they're great, there's no doubt about it, above 2K is another matter.

Double force org at 2k makes sisters plenty viable.

 pretre wrote:
Double force org at 2k makes sisters plenty viable.

I always feel that paying 1/4 my points for troops only with no upgrades at 2000 is the biggest hurdle to making a good 2000 point double force org list.

 dpal666 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

dpal666 wrote:instead on "counts as" IG, they're perfect for PA bolter henchmen for a Coteaz list, although that gets expensive in points.

I'm currently sitting on 2500 pts worth, and love it every time I pull them out.

Ooor... you could use them as Sisters and actually win.

[

I do use SoB as a stand alone, when I want larger battles, they become henchmen, as I don't enjoy the ally thing. Combining them, I can do 8k battles as a GK army.

Sisters just don't scale up very well IME, <2K they're great, there's no doubt about it, above 2K is another matter.

I ally mine with my custom Marine chapter. Actually, they're not so much a chapter as they are a group of renegade Chaos Marines. Renegade against Chaos, I mean. And my Sisters aren't so much an Order as they are- You know what, pretty much every 40k army I have that I had fluff written for is some sort of renegade, which is what happens when that fluff revolves around an ongoing series of RP that involves a mix of WH40k, Warcraft, Starcraft, and Star Trek stuff. And other stuff too. I'm pretty sure that at this point in those RPs, they all live on a futuristic united Azeroth that's hurtling through space using massive Warp drives to escape from the Imperium while simultaneously trying to recover any of the troops they tithed to the Imperium before rebelling - I don't think they've figured out that eventually the Imperium's going to order those regiments exterminated - while the Zerg sometimes make conjugal visits. And I wish I was making any of that up... I really, really do. Oh, also, there's furries.

Mostly I get my butt handed to me by my mom's Orks. One time, I had a single Scout with a Sniper Rifle, and Saint Celestine, against 10 Lootas, a Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun, a mob of Boyz, and 2 Killa Kanz by the end of the game. That Scout made a veritable gakload of 2+ cover saves from behind his defence line... Pretty much everything on the board was shooting at him for 2-3 turns. Personally, I blame my frequent losses on the additional mandatory cost of an extra HQ and Troops choice, but it's entirely possible I just make craptacular roster choices with the 300-400 points or so I have left after paying for the mandatory choices and their typical upgrades in a 1,000 point list.

There are two things that are troubling about the way GW is handling the sisters aside from the delayed update

1 The WD article is not available as a pdf. The Blood Angel WD codex was made available a few months after it was published

2 GW looks to be completely out of the metal miniature business now and they are no longer transfering old sculpts to finecast

This leads me to believe that they are not making the sister pdf available because they dont want to generate interest in a line they have no intention of supporting even by making additional stock of existing models.

I would not be surprised at all that once the existing stocks are sold that they will not replenish them and that they are just winding down the current models. This will leave the sisters in even more of a precarious state when it happens. When has GW had an army not supported by an available codex or range of models?

While they were working on the Dark Eldar overhaul, I believe Dark Eldar were completely unavailable for about two years.