Jidmah wrote:
So, you are building a squiggoth to replace the battlewagon (which can't be looked under by anything but prone soldiers) and want to give it armor or whatever, so non-prone soldiers can't look through its legs. The gap on the battlewagon is about one third of an inch, you should leave the same gap.

Modeling a custom-build model in order to block just as much LoS as a citadel-made battlewagon seems perfectly fine to me. You wouldn't be able to field it as big squiggoth anymore though, since it blocks more LoS than the official model.

Am I missing something, or why is this so much of a problem?

Nah I wanted to field it as a Big Squig.

Like I've mentioned earlier, someone told me that making custom models bigger (within reason, not board sized or whatever) is fine, only smaller is an issue, hence the thread.

Since it's not fine, I'm not going to do it, and if it was fine, then I would totally do it, because it would be 'fine'. If that somehow makes me TFG like some people are saying, those people have a really messed up idea of what being TFG entails.

No, he isn't. He is counting it as a FW Big Squiggoth. Like his other threads, he purposely buried the lead on what he was trying to do to get his desired feedback.

No I didn't. And frankly, your being a bit of a dick here just by saying stuff like this, so cut it out already. I've been pretty tolerant of your attitude sofar, and tried to give you the respect you deserve. If you won't do the same, your not worth talking to any further.

 BarBoBot wrote:
The problem is that he says he doesn't want to be TFG, but he wants to know exactly how far he can push the limits before becoming TFG. In reality, it's that exact attitude that makes him TFG.

No it doesn't. I'm asking these questions specifically so I don't put something on the board that ruins the game for people. If nobody gave a damn about a bigger Squiggoth (as per my initial assumption of 'bigger is fine') then there would be no problem with fielding one, and I'm far from being TFG for checking to see if thats the case before I make one.

Breng77 wrote:

foolishmortal wrote:

Breng77 wrote:Essentially if you are ever asking questions such as: "Is it ok for me to model x in such a way as to gain y advantage?" The answer is almost universally no

Stress the 'if', otherwise it looks like you are misrepresenting his question.

Reads to me as "can I model my Big Squiggoth with the intention of blocking more line of sight than the model actually does?"

Gonna make this abundantly clear one last time. This is the line of thought that everyone calling me TFG is currently subscribing to.

Either

A)

>Someone asks a question, call them TFG without even looking at any of the details, be ignorant d-bag whose opinion should be ignored.

Or B)

>Step One: Some dude tells me, "when you make a custom model, only making it smaller is an issue, because then it can hide behind cover. If you make it bigger, its no problem, it just makes it a bigger target"
>Step Two: I come on here to see if this is the case, rather than just blindly believing him
>Step Three: Somehow become TFG

In which case, anyone asking for clarification on any hearsay is somehow TFG as well.

And using excuses like "the rules don't say I can't" and "12 years ago, someone, somewhere might have made a looted Landraider so I can make one down!" don't help people swallow that bitter pill.

The 'excuse' is that you are saying that the Looted Wagon has to be X size, but nothing in the rules backs this up. Theres absolutely nothing indicating that this is the case except for your opinion.

 FlingitNow wrote:


This is what the OP has proposed though in numerous threads (another was can I remodel my Aegis so grots can see through it).

The 'in game advantage' I gain from this is simply the removal of the same slowed rule that prevents heavy weapons teams firing because they're crouching behind the Aegis. Rules like that are slowed and should be fixed. In the meantime, its up to us to homebrew a fix.

The TO was more than fine with this I might add, and another player who became a TO even went so far as to include it in the rules for their next tournament (any unit can now fire from behind an aegis, no unit can claim perfect concealment behind an aegis)

 Oaka wrote:
This is very similar to a thread way back with Necrons before they were redone. I believe it was DashofPepper who was using a wraith-heavy army but he was relying on them being behind monoliths so that they couldn't be shot at. It turned out that some monoliths were packaged with flying bases, and some weren't, depending on when the kit was sold. If a monolith was on a flying base, the wraiths behind it could be shot at, but if it was just sitting on the ground they couldn't. It became quite a contentious issue, with accusations of cheating being thrown around, so my suggestion would be not to pursue this project, as it sounds like you want to make a larger squiggoth than is normally used so you can advance as many models as you can behind it without being shot at.

Yeah, I'm modelling any Big Squigs I make as close as possible to the official model, since people are not ok with them being larger.

And every time anyone proposes such things, the answer hopefully was, "hell no."

An overview.

Aegis Thread: My question was "this seems slowed, can I do it like this instead?", got thoroughly mixed responses, and when I heard from my TO they were ok with it, and as mentioned above, another TO then adopted the 'ruling'. Naturally the response to this was "hurr durr you must have whined and bitched at and annoyed the TO into accepting it, but you can find the entire conversation in this thread; http://www.aucklandcityguard.com/tin-soldier-2013-fantasy-and-40k-t336-80.html

Looted Wagon thread: Peregrine argued that "All looted wagons must be rhino sized" and I disagreed, saying theres absolutely nothing that indicates that to be the case. He presented "the forgeworld Looted Wagon is X sized ergo all Looted Wagons must be X sized" and "the accepted convention is X" as evidence. The vast majority of respondents in the thread replied with 'any vehicle within reason' and did not concur with his statement.

Bigger Squiggoth thread: I asked, and I quote

 Dakkamite wrote:
Hey dakka, I know theres issues that arise with making a model too small, but what about too large?

My understanding from hearsay is that you can essentially make a model as large as you want. People take issue with smaller models or bases because they become hard to hit, but larger ones become easier targets.

On the other hand, my boys might be able to hide behind a larger model than usual but not behind a standard sized one.

And got the reply "hell no", which is fine, and "hurr durr your TFG for asking this question", which is not fine and is straight up disgusting, rude, and insulting.

Since you're asking us, and not the TO, and you're not showing us a picture of what you're doing, we only have this statement to go by.

As it stands, it sounds like MFA. I don't know you, I've never played with you, you might be the nicest player on the planet and you give beer to all of your opponents.

However, that doesn't make this NOT sound like MFA. That's the best I can say with what information you've provided.

I'm not trying to make it not sound like MFA. All I have done is ask a question, and give my two 'reasons' for asking it (hearsay, and common sense). I have never argued that if the community finds it MFA, that it should be anything but.

Theres no picture because I haven't started it yet, and I haven't started it yet because I wanted to find out what size it had to be.