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 fartherthanfar wrote:
turn 1 : flyrants move forward and Mawlocs burrow
turn 2 : all deepstrikers come out INCLUDING Mawlocs
turn 3 : clean up time

the opponent doesnt have the option to move out of the way since it all happens on the same turn

Then you don't get to use the Lictors for not scattering as the Lictor needs to have been on the board the turn before as I already stated. So why the Lictors? Since you're not using their rule?

actually the rules does allow it to work I think.

if you look at the rule it has two different effects. The +1 to reserve roll requires the lictor to have been on the board for the full turn but the scatterring avoiding rule is a seperate sentence, so can be used if he deepstriked that turn.

Nah you have to be on the board the turn before for both parts. It is why Lictors are completely pointless...

Nah you have to be on the board the turn before for both parts. It is why Lictors are completely pointless...

Agreed.
The seperate sentence is irrelevant, its part of the overall Lictor subrule.
Sorry :(

The reason I chose Warriors is twofold.
first, this list is all about making the opponent have a really hard time choosing where to send his Str8+ shots and the warriors fill this role well since their major weakness is their vulnerability to Str8+ shots, (also keeping them as cheap as possible to avoid it costing me too much if he does end up choosing to shoot the wariors with strong shots).
everything in this list (Gaunts are the exception) are either really tough (T6 or more) or T4 with multiple wounds. so the opponent needs to choose with care where to send those shots.

the second reason is because Warriors are scoring dudes that can Deepstrike, Deepstrike being the key thing here since I want to have more bodies to throw arround the board to surround the opponent so that when the Mawlocs come out, the opponent has no place to go and just plain dissapears for my convenience. I have only a few choices of people that could deepstrike and sure I could go with gargoyles which do have a better reputation than Warriors but they dont help my Str8+ required to hurt me tactic.
also I like the warriors, they are so classic and no one uses them so I want to be a dude that does use them and still wins.



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Damn!!!
I just re-read the rule for pheremone trail and even though I was right in saying that a different sentence means that the first mention that he has to have been on the board for the rule to work is only for the +1 to reserve roll.
there is a freaking other mention about him needing to be on the boarsd for the no scatering thing too!!!!!

freaking lictor is so bullshiiiitttttt!!!!!

why even make the pheremone trail rule if you cant use it?????!!!
I know, so the lictor can start on the board like a douche and walk slowly forward and then dudes can deepstrike right beside him so they arent any more forward then if they didnt deepstrike at all!!!!!
that a freaking great rule!!!!!
they thought the shiit out of this one!!!!


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so the list come back to being this

285 1x Hive Tyrant / Wings / 2x TL Devourer BLW / Hive Commander
260 1x Hive Tyrant / Wings / 2x TL Devourer BLW

50 10x Termagaunts
225 1x Tervigon / CClaws / TS / Catalyst / Onslaught
190 5x Tyranid Warriors / Mycetic Spore

160 2x Zoanthrope - Mycetic Spore
160 2x Zoanthrope - Mycetic Spore
130 1x Doom of Malantai - Mycetic Spore

200 1x Trygon
170 1x Mawloc
170 1x Mawloc

Total 2000pts

douchy freaking lictor!!!!!

He needs an FAQ/rules update, we all agree

What about 3xHG instead of a Zoan pod? The would give foot support/saturation to your Tervis/termies and allow you to pop AV10-12 earlier than t2? Could be vital tank popping VS mech lists?

Cam I ask what models you are using for Mycetics?

I made my own mycetic spore from styrofoam which I sculpted with an exacto knife

This list is meant to have lots of deepstrikers or at least FMC so as to be dirrectly arround the enemy when the Mawlocs come out and the hive guards dont do that so even tho I really like the hive guards I would leave them for another list

 fartherthanfar wrote:
The reason I chose Warriors is twofold.
first, this list is all about making the opponent have a really hard time choosing where to send his Str8+ shots and the warriors fill this role well since their major weakness is their vulnerability to Str8+ shots, (also keeping them as cheap as possible to avoid it costing me too much if he does end up choosing to shoot the wariors with strong shots).
everything in this list (Gaunts are the exception) are either really tough (T6 or more) or T4 with multiple wounds. so the opponent needs to choose with care where to send those shots.

the second reason is because Warriors are scoring dudes that can Deepstrike, Deepstrike being the key thing here since I want to have more bodies to throw arround the board to surround the opponent so that when the Mawlocs come out, the opponent has no place to go and just plain dissapears for my convenience. I have only a few choices of people that could deepstrike and sure I could go with gargoyles which do have a better reputation than Warriors but they dont help my Str8+ required to hurt me tactic.
also I like the warriors, they are so classic and no one uses them so I want to be a dude that does use them and still wins.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Damn!!!
I just re-read the rule for pheremone trail and even though I was right in saying that a different sentence means that the first mention that he has to have been on the board for the rule to work is only for the +1 to reserve roll.
there is a freaking other mention about him needing to be on the boarsd for the no scatering thing too!!!!!

freaking lictor is so bullshiiiitttttt!!!!!

why even make the pheremone trail rule if you cant use it?????!!!
I know, so the lictor can start on the board like a douche and walk slowly forward and then dudes can deepstrike right beside him so they arent any more forward then if they didnt deepstrike at all!!!!!
that a freaking great rule!!!!!
they thought the shiit out of this one!!!!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
so the list come back to being this

285 1x Hive Tyrant / Wings / 2x TL Devourer BLW / Hive Commander
260 1x Hive Tyrant / Wings / 2x TL Devourer BLW

50 10x Termagaunts
225 1x Tervigon / CClaws / TS / Catalyst / Onslaught
190 5x Tyranid Warriors / Mycetic Spore

160 2x Zoanthrope - Mycetic Spore
160 2x Zoanthrope - Mycetic Spore
130 1x Doom of Malantai - Mycetic Spore

200 1x Trygon
170 1x Mawloc
170 1x Mawloc

Total 2000pts

douchy freaking lictor!!!!!

I can see the dilemna with lictors. It still wouldn't be a bad idea to take them.. Place them after the spores but before the mawlocs and fill in any "gaps" strategically so they scatter into the lictors.. think about it.. 9 lictors on 40 mm bases ANYWHERE you want (prime real estate). Spore drop a ton of warriors maybe and there you go, a ton of cheap 3w bodies that require all the s8 attention. The lictors rules are amazing if they survive turn 2, which, in that case you can either have rotating mawlocs (I'd take 3 in this case): burrow 2 turn 1 and burrow 1 turn 2. Do you see what I'm getting at here?

Any pics of the Mycetics?
Are they tourney legal might I ask? (looking to model some myself - size/shape/height etc).

 Ratius wrote:
Any pics of the Mycetics?
Are they tourney legal might I ask? (looking to model some myself - size/shape/height etc).

60 mm base and about the heighth of a hivetyrant/ carnifex would do.

Post a few pics my good man, seeing is believing and all that

@ Zaak

I do see what your going for with the mass lictors but Zoan and Doom can do the same only WAYYYYY better. the mycetic spores are bigger thus more ground covered and the zoan/Doom are on the same bases as the lictors so the ground covered that the opponent cant get pushed to is about the same, sure the turn 3 you get more precision on the no scatering from next mawlocs comming out of the ground but I expect the game to be already mostly done at that point and alot less people to be on the board so not nearly as potentially powerfull for the 3rd turn.
the doomd and Zoan are so much stronger and more usefull, and cheaper and tougher and hit harder and more versatile .... god im so pissed at lictors right now....
sorry about this Dakka

 fartherthanfar wrote:
@ Zaak

I do see what your going for with the mass lictors but Zoan and Doom can do the same only WAYYYYY better. the mycetic spores are bigger thus more ground covered and the zoan/Doom are on the same bases as the lictors so the ground covered that the opponent cant get pushed to is about the same, sure the turn 3 you get more precision on the no scatering from next mawlocs comming out of the ground but I expect the game to be already mostly done at that point and alot less people to be on the board so not nearly as potentially powerfull for the 3rd turn.
the doomd and Zoan are so much stronger and more usefull, and cheaper and tougher and hit harder and more versatile .... god im so pissed at lictors right now....
sorry about this Dakka

I feel your rage man. Lictors have a slight positioning advantage being that it's a guarantee you get to place them whereever but you're right 2 x 40mm and 1 x 60mm take up more room. Also, I can't see myself letting go of doom in a list like this. I really like the idea of warriors though.. I want to see if I can make 9 of them useful in a similar list. The only critique I would suggest is swapping cc for a second hc just incase he gets shot down turn 1 or 2.. insurance

here is a pic of my spores with a Swarmlord army to give an idea of their size.
just made a bunch of claws from insulation styrofoam and put 5 of them in a base.
the one with duct tape is a test as to how im gonna do the membrane which links the claws.
not liking it so I gotta find something else

pics

this army is with a swarmlord and a doom which I love the conversion I made for them