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 gossipmeng wrote:

 Dark wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Perhaps not learn, but atl east adapt.

Cervantes in Don Quixote put a phrase in the main character's lips "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres" which can translate as "when you go somewhere strange, do as you see the locals do". It was written in 1605...

That is all fine and dandy if you are going somewhere, but if you are living there you better buckle up buttercup and accept that you need to make an effort.

That's why I said "adapt". I was taken to Brazil for 2 years because my father had to move (job and stuff) and since Iw as underage I had no choice on it. I had no clue on how to speak Portuguese and such, but that's the lovely thing: whereas it can take months or years to learn a language in a classroom, living there had me speaking the basics in a week and a bit more and soon I was speaking it like anyone else.

And since "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres", I tarted eating like them, dressing like them and soon enough no one asked me if I was a foreigner.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Yep, the most "proper" American term for Jam would, depending on flavor be preserves... however, that doesn't sound overly appealing sitting on a shelf (but then, neither does Marmalade to me, but it seems to move), so they changed it to jam.

A preserve is different to a Jam from a culinary point of view. Jam has more sugar and added pectin. Preserves have much higher fruit content, and tent to be less solid. Jelly, however, has no fruit left in it at all as it is strained. US Jelly is closer to UK jelly in consistency, but the flavor is different partly because US jelly is made with pectin and UK Jelly/Jello is made with gelatin, and many other reasons to do with change in taste, but they would have at one point been the same thing.


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 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Um... Your starting from a dangerous and faulty view point there. The Spanish where there first in much of the southern US... For many areas the dominant outside view of the US is not true. Treating any country as a single entity is a bad idea, especially so in the US. Especially treating Hispanics as "outsiders" is a faulty viewpoint. Yes, sometimes immigrants do need to make an attempt to work with the culture of the county they enter, but be sure about who you are talking about being immigrants.

 Steve steveson wrote:


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 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Um... Your starting from a dangerous and faulty view point there. The Spanish where there first in much of the southern US... For many areas the dominant outside view of the US is not true. Treating any country as a single entity is a bad idea, especially so in the US. Especially treating Hispanics as "outsiders" is a faulty viewpoint. Yes, sometimes immigrants do need to make an attempt to work with the culture of the county they enter, but be sure about who you are talking about being immigrants.

Hispanics play a large role is American culture - they are not my concern. It is different if your destination country already has a large pre-established community where your customs/values will be accepted and shared.

I'm speaking to the one offs - the immigrants who come from wherever and plop themselves right in the middle of of a well established community that is much different than their own. These communities should not have to cater to the values of the minorities. They made their choice to come here, it is now their responsibility to suck it up and make the necessary changes required for them to be successful. If life gets too tough for them, they are welcome to leave and let someone take their place who is willing to accept the lifestyle.

The thing with American food is that they take a culture's food and suit it to local tastes. Whether that's a good thing or not remains to be debated.

So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

1) Fast food chains are not helping the US side

2) McD's is not a fast food chain. Its a virus.

3) Pret a Manger is working on it. Currently 50 locations in the US and growing apparently. You give us the greasy hamburger with fries. We give you the middle class sandwich with rocket and parmigiano. Your welcome

Also, no US food can ever compare to a proper British roast. Also, grits. The US gets some major points knocked off for grits.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

1) Fast food chains are not helping the US side

2) McD's is not a fast food chain. Its a virus.

3) Pret a Manger is working on it. Currently 50 locations in the US and growing apparently. You give us the greasy hamburger with fries. We give you the middle class sandwich with rocket and parmigiano. Your welcome

Also, no US food can ever compare to a proper British roast. Also, grits. The US gets some major points knocked off for grits.

yes fast food sucks, yet you buy it over your local fair. How much does your local food suck even more?

But surely the flipside also works for America, considering the success and multitude of fast-food hamburger joints?

 Steve steveson wrote:

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

exactly,

and it is racist is to act like non-white kids cannot comprehend what a PB and J sandwich is...

do they get all worried that white kids wont understand the complexities of the burrito too?

besides the racist and hypocritical nature of saying a so called "white" thing is not allowed, while they HAVE to include so called "non white" things...

telling Caucasians they cannot act like Caucasians, is just as racist as telling any other ethnicity to suppress themselves for "whiteys" sake.

not to mention how racist/sexist the idea of male/white privilege in this day and age, as it literally assuming all white people are racist, work in this racist club, that only promotes from within, actively works to keep out women/other ethnicities, and that males/whites only got where they are because they are racist and get special treatment.

Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

About US food - it can't compare to a full British roast. It doesn't have the required... sophistication.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

No, although that's what the article wants you to think.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

I've said "torta" in Spanish means cake, and you've made a happy typo, "tarta" which means pie. They should have both things xD sandwichs as meals and then either torta or tarta as dessert~

Clearly they're the ones that are racist for not eating sandwiches.

If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Feeling wrong never felt so right

 Alfndrate wrote:

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Feeling wrong never felt so right

I disagree.

Ugh, Rebel scum.

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Exactly...

Isn't it as American as Apple Pie?

Manchu wrote:
Ugh, Rebel scum.

The picture, or those objecting to PB&J sandwiches?

I'm eating a PB&J now. The oppression of the unwashed masses makes the flavor that much better.

I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Here's my issue with that statement. What made the USA great in past years was our ability to look past what country/culture you originally came from and assimilate/absorb you into our culture.

'White Privilege' is just another slant of the age old racism card that we as a culture and society need to sit down and have a serious discussion over. Maybe then we can end all of these bullgak issues from happening.

 kronk wrote:
I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Yeah, but that doesn't make your conflict sammiches racist

The tears of the downtrodden are enough.

 kronk wrote:
I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Don't forget to wash it down with a glass of their tears

Boom!

No one is going to point out the irony that if the teacher used "torta" or "Pita" the other 90% of the class would probably have no idea what the teacher is talking about?

Here's a crazy idea, if there's a kid in the classroom who's never seen a sandwhich before, I dunno, maybe EXPLAIN WHAT A SANDWHICH IS? It's not that hard people, and you might even learn something about the other person's culture if he says something like "Oh, that's kind of like x that we eat in my country!"

Also, Brits haven't had real food if they haven't had home cooked meals in the US South. You people haven't lived until you've had some home fried chicken, catfish, mash potatoes, cornbread, etc.

You know how McDonald's is a pale comparison to a real burger? KFC is a pale comparison to home made chicken. And KFC is actually pretty good. And no I am not biased since I'm from Kentucky. I'm actually a Kentucky Colonel so I'm qualified to speak about the finer points of Southern Fried Chicken

sqir666 wrote:
Here's my issue with that statement. What made the USA great in past years was our ability to look past what country/culture you originally came from and assimilate/absorb you into our culture.

'White Privilege' is just another slant of the age old racism card that we as a culture and society need to sit down and have a serious discussion over. Maybe then we can end all of these bullgak issues from happening.

One could say that's the viewpoint of a "white person."

The "melting pot" doesn't really exist in the way they teach in elementary school. But to the extent that it does, it's not about people coming here and learning "our" (white?) ways. It's about the immigrants being influenced by the existing culture(s) even as the existing culture(s) are influenced by the immigrants.

 AduroT wrote:
I don't mind a PB and J, but I do usually skip the J and just do the PB. Honey Roasted PB...

I prefer to skip the P.

And that is how you ruin peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for everyone.

By the way, isn't this article a tad old? It's been a year dudes. The time to fling gak over nothing has passed.