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Makumba wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Are people aware that this thread is in no way a fact or given? this is typical anti-GW worrying over nothing. The whole thread is based on this preposterous notion that GW not just figuratively but literally hates you.

Seriously folks. We got trolled. Lets face it and move on!

That would require an assumption that GW harbors any feeling for people who have already bought an army from them. The only time GW seems to show "feelings" is when they say that people who sell and buy models for under GW store prizes are stealing and not helping the hobby.

The funniest thing ever, is that gw IS helping the hobby quite massively with everything they do wrong. They are the #1, forerunner franchise for wargaming. The fact that they have such ridiculous prices pushes people into other games like Warmachine and the like, indirectly giving exposure to many different smaller name brands trying to find a footing or further establish their longevity, who are providing the ingame balance and decent prices that GW is denying their customers of. Spreading the wealth and customers around to multiple games is the only way the industry will expand. Supporting their competition in more or the early stages (even for privateer press, they are going to be around for a LOOONG time thx to all the customers GW drove their way) by spreading the customers and wealth around, is the best way to secure the success of this industry. 40k will continue regardless of how many customers they lose. Especially since they could win them all back at the drop of a hat by releasing sensible rules editions and prices.

Not a bad point.

What if they completed the entire line and have models and codexes all updated? Time to sell? A new company could then do a complete rules rewrite while keeping all the codexes playable?

I could only dream and I'd be lining up to spend money in the hopes of a clearer rules system. I really enjoy the 40K hobby, but the rules are so poor it's difficult to even want to get up for a game.

The OP's question is valid. When they finish updating everything for 40k, then what? At this pace, it won't take very long. Let's be super conservative and say, two years.
All codices are updated. A score of supplements.

Then what?
Data slates and more optional supplements won't keep them afloat. (We've seen Knights, SM, 7th all in one year and they still lost revenue.)
Small releases of new units won't do it.
Fantasy isn't big enough to do it either.

I have no answer, but in two years time, they're going to have to do something. Something big. And that probably means you'll have to buy a whole lot of new stuff.

If they try force something too ridiculous on players, it will get ignored. Everything has their limits, we've seen this with the practically global boycott of Unbound.

Hopefully someone new buys and fixes.

Except knowing GW, they will refuse to sell for anything less than triple the actual worth of the franchise, and as proven would rather see the world thy created die and fade Ito obscurity before lowering these prices.

Oh trust me, expansions can take quite a while to all be done.

Almost every army only has 1 supplement now - there is room for so much more.

Black Templars, Blood Ravens

Biel-Tan, Alaitoc, Sain-Hann, Ulthwé

Catachans, Vostroya (with new models!)

All Chaos Legions apart from Black Legion

Skitarii

Exodite Eldar

Fleshed out Kroot Codex with Knarloc and other new subspecies

Fleshed out Harlequins force

Ork Warbands

Hive Fleets Behemoth, Kraken and Leviathan


This'll easily keep 7th edition going for 2 more years.

And in addition to all this gifts they are giving us in the hobby sense, they can then grab our wallets by bringing the 6th edition hardbacks into 7th and we'd at this point most likely buy it.

THEN we can start talking about 8th edition sometime in 2016

SHUPPET wrote:

Makumba wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Are people aware that this thread is in no way a fact or given? this is typical anti-GW worrying over nothing. The whole thread is based on this preposterous notion that GW not just figuratively but literally hates you.

Seriously folks. We got trolled. Lets face it and move on!

That would require an assumption that GW harbors any feeling for people who have already bought an army from them. The only time GW seems to show "feelings" is when they say that people who sell and buy models for under GW store prizes are stealing and not helping the hobby.

The funniest thing ever, is that gw IS helping the hobby quite massively with everything they do wrong. They are the #1, forerunner franchise for wargaming. The fact that they have such ridiculous prices pushes people into other games like Warmachine and the like, indirectly giving exposure to many different smaller name brands trying to find a footing or further establish their longevity, who are providing the ingame balance and decent prices that GW is denying their customers of. Spreading the wealth and customers around to multiple games is the only way the industry will expand. Supporting their competition in more or the early stages (even for privateer press, they are going to be around for a LOOONG time thx to all the customers GW drove their way) by spreading the customers and wealth around, is the best way to secure the success of this industry. 40k will continue regardless of how many customers they lose. Especially since they could win them all back at the drop of a hat by releasing sensible rules editions and prices.

Great post. I can think of being a GW shareholder and asking "Why is Privateer Press flourishing and making all this money. What could have been done for us to have their money and that they wouldn't have lasted as long and become competition, hence taking more money out of our pot, or slice of the pie."

Quick answers would be, Prices not being raised constantly, clear concise ruleset and frequently updated rules and support. I am sure PP wouldn't have flourished as much as they have.

MWHistorian wrote:The OP's question is valid. When they finish updating everything for 40k, then what? At this pace, it won't take very long. Let's be super conservative and say, two years.
All codices are updated. A score of supplements.

Then what?
Data slates and more optional supplements won't keep them afloat. (We've seen Knights, SM, 7th all in one year and they still lost revenue.)
Small releases of new units won't do it.
Fantasy isn't big enough to do it either.

I have no answer, but in two years time, they're going to have to do something. Something big. And that probably means you'll have to buy a whole lot of new stuff.

Well there is a possibility that 40K will be neglected for a while and Fantasy can be the focus just like how 40K was the focus for the last 2 or 3 years. I don't think 40K will be neglected that long but maybe it will be 6 months of Fantasy thrown down our throat for a while with little bits of 40K thrown in once in a while with a Data slate here or Supplement there. Just a guess

I don't see a reboot, just because I have no faith in GW being even capable of doing it. Sad that I see the "writers" and "game designers" at GW now as incompetent and not really knowing what they are doing. I think this would just be a mass exodus away from 40K. Said it before I will say it again, how can anyone who writes for 40K be proud of their work? I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are hamstrung by corporate but still, maybe that is why their names are not on the product no more. They are not proud of what is coming out anymore and don't want to be known for taking credit for the work that is coming out now.

If a new edition like 7th didn't really fix 40K, and if they do a reboot and it doesn't fix 40K, a lot of people just have no more trust in GW with their high prices.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I don't see this happening.

IMO they will release all the codices then focus on single model releases and dataslates into the near future. IMO 7th is here to stay for quite a while. I don't see them issuing a reboot any time soon, especially 7th is basically 6th with a psychic phase.

Single model releases and dataslates will mess things up.
It will make it hard to keep the full picture of 40k.