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Yeah, Eldar do have that 'problem'. Some of their units are bad, but I think only one could be called terribad in 7th (Harlies, oh how i love you). Still fun to build a bad list for!

This could make for a surprisingly fun sort of game. You plan the worst possible list. You play with your opponent's list. The aim is to prove that your planned list was the worse of the two, by winning with the list provided by your opponent.

Yep, tau have an unfair advantage of SO many supportive wargear per model that it's gona be hard to go worse than that.


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 God In Action wrote:
This could make for a surprisingly fun sort of game. You plan the worst possible list. You play with your opponent's list. The aim is to prove that your planned list was the worse of the two, by winning with the list provided by your opponent.

exactly

BTW, have we seen any daemon, csm or GK worst possible lists? I'd like to see some of those. I have a feeling that CSM will have one of the strongest worst possible lists. Mutilators, warp talons - they'd rock the worst meta! And i can't think of completely worthless hq too.

 Happyjew wrote:


Quick question, is Forgeworld allowed?

I'm not very familliar with most FW stuff. But sure, let's see what you got!

 Peregrine wrote:
I'm going to assume that when you say "1500 point list" you mean that the list has to be as close to 1500 points as you can reasonably get, and you can't just spend 200 points on the minimum HQ + troops with 1300 points left unspent (perfectly legal, but against the spirit of the rules). In that case Farsight Tau win this easily.

HQ:
Commander with 4x shield generator, 2x marker drone, all unique systems except jammer and gauntlet --- 204
2x bodyguard with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, bonding knife --- 266

Troops:
6x fire warriors, shas'ui, markerlight, 2x marker drones, bonding knife, EMP grenades --- 97
3x crisis suits with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, shas'vre, bonding knife --- 376

Elite:
3x crisis suits with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, shas'vre, bonding knife --- 376

Fast:
12x shield drones --- 168

Total: 1487 points.

So yeah, that's a 1500 point Tau list where the only ranged weapons are six pulse rifles. But hey, at least they'll be BS 10 pulse rifles that ignore cover thanks to all your markerlights! Maybe that will let you kill a model in the shooting phase before you have to charge with your crisis suits and their multiple 4++ saves.

I just realized this list is illegal. In order to have Crisis Suits as Troops, you must use Farsight Enclaves, which means you only have access to FE Signature Systems, not Tau Empire. Additionally FE cannot take Crisis suits as Elites.

Here's another Nid list:

HQ: Old One Eye (Warlord)
Deathleaper

Troops: Genestealers x 20 w/Adrenals, Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs,
Broodlord w/Acid Blood, Adrenals, Regeneration

Hormagaunts x 11 w/Toxin Sacs

Elites: Pyrovores x 3
Maleceptor

Fast Attack: Skyslashers x 4 w/Adrenals, Spinefists, Toxin Sacs
Spore Mines x 6

1 Synapse Creature (the Maleceptor), no heavy support, only 2 MCs both of which are slow. I was considering running a Haruspex, but it is literally not bad enough compared to the other choices. I guess you could swap Deathleaper for him? You'd need to take out a few more points though.

Does a unit like Rustgob's Runts count as a unit of Gretchin? Technically they are unique and 5 points Overcosted...


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I was wondering if I could take them, AND a unit of normal Gretchin...

dark angels:

interrogator chaplain, plasma pistol, auspex (130)
belial (190)

deathwing command squad, standard of devestation, plasma cannon, apothecary (330)

command squad, chapter banner, 4 flamers, rhino (200)

troops:

deathwing terminator squad (220)

tactical squad, rhino(175)

elite:
deathwing knight squad (235)

dreadnaught (100)

FA:
nephilim jet fighter, avenger mega bolter(180)
ravenwing dark talon (140)

HS:
devastator squad, plasma cannon, 3 multi melta, vet sgt (130)

you have no anti av14, no anti flyer, you have terminators but they are all running the lousiest lists ever, your command squad has the banner of devestation but shame only a tactical squad is the only one carrying bolters , your devestator squad is schizo, and its got absolutely no focus at all. if i could, i would strip the terminators of deepstrike. that would be this lists nail in the coffin

1xTrazyn
10x warriors
10x flayed ones
6x scarabs

Wait nvm I dont think I can make a bad necron list





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CSM attempt

1x typhus
1x warpsmith
35x cultists w/ autorifle mark and icon of khorne
10x plague zombies

10x raptors
10x warp talons
3x mutilators
5x chaos spawn
5x havocs w/4 missile launchers
10x chosen marks, icon of slanesh
2 metal boxes

That should be close to 1500....dont have the book on me

I thought for sure CSM and DAs could do better! Either of those lists would rip my Eldar list apart!

CSM

Daemon Prince (with no wings) - 420
-MoT, ML3, power armour, ichor blood, gift of mutation, aura of dark glory, combat familiar, spell familiar, dimensional key, scrolls of magnus, murder sword
Warpsmith - 235
-MoS, VotLW, plasma pistol, ichor blood, gift of mutation, aura of dark glory, combat familiar, spell familiar, black mace

35 Cultists - 266
-MoK, 31 autoguns, 3 heavy stubbers, shotgun
6 Chaos Space Marines - 253
-MoK, 6 cc weapons, plasma pistol, plasma gun, icon of vengeance, VotLW, champion with 2 powerfists, plasma pistol, gift of mutation, melta bombs
Rhino - 117
-combibolter, dirge caster, dozer blade, warpflame gargoyles, combimelta, extra armour, havoc launcher, destroyer blades, daemonic possesion

3 Mutilators - 201
-MoT, VotLW

Total - 1492

That wasn't too hard to do. Didn't even get to use Possesed, Thousand Sons, Warp talons or a defiler.

Key points from the list
-Over 400pt DP on foot
-Over 200pt Warpsmith with no MoS friends
-Rhino at over 100 points!!!
-CSM at 42ppm

Okay, I can't resist - I simply have to make a list.

Tyranids!

HQ
Deathleaper
130pts

Troops
30 Hormagaunts
Adrenal glands, toxin sacs
300 Points

9 Ripper Swarms
Spinefists, Toxin Sacs, Adrenal glands
243 Points

10 Termagants
10 Spike rifles
40 Points

Elites

2 Pyrovores
120 Points

Lictor
50

Fast Attack
9 Raveners
9 Rending claws, 5 Deathspitters, 3 spinefists
374 Points

9 Skyslashers
Spinefists, toxin sacs, adrenal glands
243


1500 Points on the dot. No synapse and no shooting with longer than an 18" range. Every turn, every unit must pass a leadership test for instinctive behavior. Everything except for the lictors and termagants have to pass a leadership test on a 5-6, or run the risk of literally eating themselves off of the table. The lictors and termagants run the risk of falling back on a 1-3. Has to assault to even think of hurting tanks, and even then only the raveners can hurt av11 or higher.

The list is so bad it literally kills itself for you. How much worse could it possibly get?

CSM
Dark Apostle: - Mark of Slaneesh, Power fist, Power axe, Spell familiar (this guy isent even a psyker), Ichor blood, Gift.
All this for 200p

Chaos Lord: - Mark of Slaneesh, Chainfist, Chainfist (why not 2), Spell familiar (still not a psyker), Sigil of corruption, Aura of dark glory, Terminator armor, Gift, Ichor blood, Meltabombs.
237p

6 Chaos Space Marines: - Powerfist, Power axe, Gift, Melta bomb (on the champ), Mark of Slaanesh.
153p
Rhino: - combibolter, dirge caster, dozer blade, warpflame gargoyles, combimelta, extra armour, havoc launcher, destroyer blades, daemonic possesion
117p

5 Noise Marines: - Powerfist, Power Axe, Gift, Melta bomb (on the champ).
150p
Rhino: - combibolter, dirge caster, dozer blade, warpflame gargoyles, combimelta, extra armour, havoc launcher, destroyer blades, daemonic possesion
117p

6 Havocs: - Powerfist, Power Axe, Gift, Melta bomb (on the champ), Mark of Slaanesh.
153p
Rhino: - combibolter, dirge caster, dozer blade, warpflame gargoyles, combimelta, extra armour, havoc launcher, destroyer blades, daemonic possesion
117p

35 Chaos Cultists; - Mark of Khorne, Autoguns.
255p

For a total of 1499 points


Once again MoS on units with weapons forcing them to strike at I1.
Adding 30points of spell familiars that don't do anything.
A Havoc squad taking up a Heavy slot but with the same loadout as the Chaos space marine unit. (free +1 point during "Big guns necver tire")

 ionusx wrote:
dark angels:

I doubt you'll meet av14 or decent flyers on such format. And nephilim + termies will rock the meta!


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 unfassbarnathan wrote:
CSM

Daemon Prince (with no wings) - 420
-MoT, ML3, power armour, ichor blood, gift of mutation, aura of dark glory, combat familiar, spell familiar, dimensional key, scrolls of magnus, murder sword

DP could summon daemons...

 salix_fatuus wrote:
CSM

Chaos Lord: - Mark of Slaneesh, Chainfist, Chainfist (why not 2), Spell familiar (still not a psyker), Sigil of corruption, Aura of dark glory, Terminator armor, Gift, Ichor blood, Meltabombs.
237p

I'd loose termie armor on a lord cause he's pretty much capable of deepstriking and reaping something apart this way

 koooaei wrote:
Yep, tau have an unfair advantage of SO many supportive wargear per model that it's gona be hard to go worse than that.


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 God In Action wrote:
This could make for a surprisingly fun sort of game. You plan the worst possible list. You play with your opponent's list. The aim is to prove that your planned list was the worse of the two, by winning with the list provided by your opponent.

exactly

BTW, have we seen any daemon, csm or GK worst possible lists? I'd like to see some of those. I have a feeling that CSM will have one of the strongest worst possible lists. Mutilators, warp talons - they'd rock the worst meta! And i can't think of completely worthless hq too.

How about a Level 1 Chaos Sorcerer with Mark of Tzeentch, a Power Fist, and Axe of Blind Fury?

Got to get MoK to use AoBF. Sorcs can't.

Illuminor Szeras
Trazyn
Royal Court: 5 harbingers of eternity, 1 lord
C'tan Grand illusion, sentient singularity
20 Flayed ones
10 Praeorians
5 Immortals
5 Warriors

Thats 1500 points exact, and pretty useless

Codex Tau:

Farsight -165

7x Bodyguard w/
Velocity tracker
counter fire defence
Drone Controller
2x marker drone
Bonding knife
-637

Commander w/
Velocity tracker
Shield Gen
Drone Controller
Posi Relay
2x marker drone
Bonding Knife
All the Signature Systems except for Neuroweb and Guantlet
-264

2x Bodyguard, same as Farsight's
-182

6x Fire Warrior
Carbines
Shas'ui
-64

10x Kroot
-60

9 Marker Drones
-126

1498

If the Commander's bodyguard squad is considered a duplicate, just tool out the FW squad and add kroot hounds and moar marker drones.

Here's my worst list:

Chapter Tactics: Carcharadons (watch out, we cause fear!)

HQ- Librarian, armour indomitus, burning blade- 180
Command Squad "The Fancy Lads"- x4 power lances- 160
Techmarine, servo-harness- 75

TROOPS 1- 10 tacticals, heavy bolter, grav gun, sergeant w/power lance, auspex, in rhino with extra armour/hunter-killer missile- 240

TROOPS 2- 10 scouts, 5x sniper rifles 5x bolt pistol/ccw, veteran sergeant with power lance/auspex- 145

ELITE 1- x10 vanguard veterans, thunder hammers (in my opinion giving them shields, while expensive, makes them too useful. Everyone knows storm shields are one of the best things we get)- 300

HEAVY 1- Devastator Centurions x6, omniscope- 390 pts (390 pts for six twin-linked heavy bolters)