The consolidated N3 disccusion thread

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**Guildsman**

Kanluwen wrote:
GrenAcid wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
So I got my N3 book today.

Haven't touched the rules; but I devoured the fluff book. Loving the background behind the new Jaguars and Bandits for Corregidor!

Can you post some hints about orgins of those units? or some actual fluff as long as it ok to be here.

Jaguars are gangers that get given two choices: Go for a long walk out an airlock without a suit or join the Jaguars. Those that join get broken down until they forget their ganger ties and start working together...because they hate their instructors. They're a "light assault unit" that also serve a law enforcement role in Corregidor modules by keeping the gang wars from happening.

Bandits are codenames for Sub-Saharan Africa tribesmen and tribeswomen(initially, from the way it reads) that were chosen by the shaman amongst the refugees to serve as a kind of "guardian spirits" for the refugees against the gangs. Initially they were just killers, but then they were trained as thieves to take supplies necessary for the refugees to survive.
In steps The Mexican General who approaches the Shaman to have the Mbeli("Guardian Spirit") become part of the Black Hand. They now serve not just the refugees but all of the Nomad Nation.

If the models are as cool as the rules and fluff are, these units are both going to be auto-buys for me! I wasn't expecting new units for Nomads; I assumed that they were mostly filled out.

**Enigma Crisis**

Taking the two cover pictures on the Infinity website I was able to combine the two giving us the full picture which is awesome! It is a smaller resolution than the actual photos to be web friendly.

**Micky**

Just noticed that the Charontids got changed to a 40mm base, as have the Yan Huo Invincibles.

I like this change - trying to fit the Charontid on a 25mm base was hell.

**AdeptSister**

Did regular sniper weapons alway have shock ammo?

**Kanluwen**

Guildsman wrote:

If the models are as cool as the rules and fluff are, these units are both going to be auto-buys for me! I wasn't expecting new units for Nomads; I assumed that they were mostly filled out.

To be fair, this wasn't really "new units for Nomads" in general.

It's a teaser of some of the new units for the Tunguska Sectorial, a few new gapfillers for Corregidor(along the lines of how Bolts got introduced for PanOceania), and a new possible linkable Reverend for Bakunin.

I also would not be surprised to see the Bandits make an appearance in the long-rumored Black Hand Sectorial.

**Micky**

AdeptSister wrote:
Did regular sniper weapons alway have shock ammo?

Nope, thats a new one.

**Noir**

Kanluwen wrote:
The entire section starting on page 104 and ending on page 141 is called "Weaponry and Equipment" and the section you're referring to specifically states:

Most weapons and Equipment have special features, called Traits.

That's why Comms Equipment is listed where it is. Traits are at the start of the section.

I don't really care were they put the damn rule. My point is, we lost the ability to shut down high-tech weapons. Then see how many burst they can dodge. Why not good it was a fun tactic.

**Micky**

Noir wrote:

I don't really care were they put the damn rule. My point is, we lost the ability to shut down high-tech weapons. Then see how many burst they can dodge. Why not good it was a fun tactic.

I think E/M causing Isolated is a good compromise, being able to target a dangerous opponent and turn them Irregular is a neat trick. This is as well as its obvious benefit as an anti-hacker weapon - pretty much all the stuff EM disables is hacking or sensor related.

**-Loki-**

So EM no longer disables armour and weapons?

I can't say I'm surprised. Having seen a 5pt Ghazi step out and EMP a HI link and a TAG, and the consternation on my opponents face, I knew it was one of those things that was going to change. And it needed to, because being able to shut down a 100pt+ link or TAG with a single shot just seemed so absurd.

edit - I just reread E/M and saw it still immobilises HI and TAGs. Guess that look of consternation will remain.

**Micky**

-Loki- wrote:
So EM no longer disables armour and weapons?

I can't say I'm surprised. Having seen a 5pt Ghazi step out and EMP a HI link and a TAG, and the consternation on my opponents face, I knew it was one of those things that was going to change. And it needed to, because being able to shut down a 100pt+ link or TAG with a single shot just seemed so absurd.

Oh, it still causes Imm-2 to TAGs/HIs/REMs. But that's just til the end of the next player turn, rather than for the rest of the game unless you have an engineer.

**IJW**

Nope.

E/M causes IMM-2 state on HI, TAGs and Rems. The only way to leave IMM-2 state is a successful Engineer roll.

Noir - bear in mind that EM ammo works on Ariadnan troops so although it doesn't shut down Combi Rifles etc. it can mess up a far wider selection of targets.

**ckig**

So Corregidor bandits or Zeroes guys? To my nooby eyes Zeroes look like a poor man's Bandit. Room for both in vanilla nomads?

Same with the Jaguars and Morlocks. I'm leaning towards Jaguars just because they're regular. What do you guys think?

**Knight**

Both have their place. Unless of a change, Zeroes have access to minelayer, which is still a really neat ability.

I lean towards Morlocks, simply because of a possibility to generate something really powerful on Metachemistry table, chain rifle with WIP 14 and are still rather criminally cheap. Otherwise Jaguars, dogged is a powerful ability.

**Kanluwen**

ckig wrote:
So Corregidor bandits or Zeroes guys? To my nooby eyes Zeroes look like a poor man's Bandit. Room for both in vanilla nomads?

Same with the Jaguars and Morlocks. I'm leaning towards Jaguars just because they're regular. What do you guys think?

The issue is that you're looking at it from the lens of vanilla.

In terms of CJC, Bandits are going to be a really unique and new thing for the force. Same with Jaguars.

Now I guess in vanilla there's room for both; but I don't enjoy vanilla so...

**GrenAcid**

NuclearMessiah wrote:
GrenAcid wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
So I got my N3 book today.

Haven't touched the rules; but I devoured the fluff book. Loving the background behind the new Jaguars and Bandits for Corregidor!

Can you post some hints about orgins of those units? or some actual fluff as long as it ok to be here.

If no one beats me to it, I will when I get home in a few hours

Also thanks for joining us down here, I hate having to be an ogre and keep poking people to use this place.

Well I love talking about my fav game so Im happy to be here. Only one thing stops me from going all-nerdy, its my poor english thats saves you from waves of my rumbling.

Kanluwen wrote:
GrenAcid wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
So I got my N3 book today.

Haven't touched the rules; but I devoured the fluff book. Loving the background behind the new Jaguars and Bandits for Corregidor!

Can you post some hints about orgins of those units? or some actual fluff as long as it ok to be here.

Jaguars are gangers that get given two choices: Go for a long walk out an airlock without a suit or join the Jaguars. Those that join get broken down until they forget their ganger ties and start working together...because they hate their instructors. They're a "light assault unit" that also serve a law enforcement role in Corregidor modules by keeping the gang wars from happening.

Bandits are codenames for Sub-Saharan Africa tribesmen and tribeswomen(initially, from the way it reads) that were chosen by the shaman amongst the refugees to serve as a kind of "guardian spirits" for the refugees against the gangs. Initially they were just killers, but then they were trained as thieves to take supplies necessary for the refugees to survive.
In steps The Mexican General who approaches the Shaman to have the Mbeli("Guardian Spirit") become part of the Black Hand. They now serve not just the refugees but all of the Nomad Nation.

Thx for fluff man, I love Nomad for it.

ckig wrote:
So Corregidor bandits or Zeroes guys? To my nooby eyes Zeroes look like a poor man's Bandit. Room for both in vanilla nomads?

Same with the Jaguars and Morlocks. I'm leaning towards Jaguars just because they're regular. What do you guys think?

Bandits and Zeros are 2 difrent things, one is agresive infiltrator in Corregidor style(Irregular) other is cheap support with infiltration.(my only pain is no BTS on Zeros

)

As for Jaguars I think cost and MetaChem gives Morlocks edge(In one game I had 4 all with No Wound and it was very-very powerful) but then in sectorial those Jaguars will be welcome with open arms, those profiles maybe dosnt look as good as other new units but Im sure they will give us something fun to play with.

**Killionaire**

Knocking out combi-rifles was always a little weird with E/M weapons in old infinity. Certainly cool, but a bit uneven. Why did the PanO combi-rifle shut down, but not the HMG or missile launcher or shotgun?

Now, you're killing that soldier's radio gear and sat-link, thus preventing him from doing anything but activating with an irregular order, and not being able to accept more instructions from command. Sensible enough. If an E/M grenade lands on a fireteam and they get hosed, then great. They're just ARO blips now pretty much and can't accomplish anything beyond that.

HI and TAGs still get shut down permanently (pending Engineer fix) as before, so that's OK too.

**-Loki-**

Dropped into the store I pre orders N3 from, and they were boxing up pre orders for post! Finally grabbed it. Now to reeeeaaad. But I'm at work for another 5 hours

**Knight**

Anyone had any games with the new system and profiles?

**GrenAcid**

Not yet, N3 book just hit us. I think we start playing with new rules after new year.

**-Loki-**

There's a couple of battle reports in the official board by an Australian named Asher using N3. One has a rather disturbing moment with a hacked Scarface gunning down his sister Cordelia.

**chromedog**

Since most of my armies are sectorial, I'm waiting on the rest of the units in N3 format before I play. If I wanted half measures (N3 rules, N2 profiles), I'd go back to playing 40k.
I'm not playing any ITS tourneys for the next couple of years anyway, so I've got time.

Since I also have to READ the rules before then as well (and my copy turns up probably tomorrow) that should give me several weeks worth of study. I've got 10 days in the wilderness "camping"* over xmas/new year as it is. "No nets, no wifi, no cell - not a single luxury. Like Robinson Crusoe, it's as primitive as can be."

.

I've decided I'm going to print up acetate "holographic" silhouette markers for myself and a few local players.

*Brother in law thinks it will make a "man out of me" - but didn't we invent flushing toilets, insect repellant and aircon so we didn't have to do that shiz?

**MajorStoffer**

IJW wrote:
Nope.

E/M causes IMM-2 state on HI, TAGs and Rems. The only way to leave IMM-2 state is a successful Engineer roll.

Noir - bear in mind that EM ammo works on Ariadnan troops so although it doesn't shut down Combi Rifles etc. it can mess up a far wider selection of targets.

My Merovingian army has no idea what you're talking about. Heavy infantry? What, you mean those guys with one additional armour who even with a 10 point reduction are still mediocre?

Dear Moblots, you're bad and you should feel bad.

**IJW**

That's... an odd view of the revised Moblot profiles.

Anyway, I'm not talking about Moblots I'm talking about everyone - being Isolated means that the trooper becomes Irregular, can't have Regular Orders spent on them and if they're the LT you'll be in Loss of Lieutenant in your turn. If it's someone in a link they drop out of the link.

That's all stuff that MRRF is going to struggle with as much as everyone else.

**MajorStoffer**

IJW wrote:
That's... an odd view of the revised Moblot profiles.

Anyway, I'm not talking about Moblots I'm talking about everyone - being Isolated means that the trooper becomes Irregular, can't have Regular Orders spent on them and if they're the LT you'll be in Loss of Lieutenant in your turn. If it's someone in a link they drop out of the link.

That's all stuff that MRRF is going to struggle with as much as everyone else.

I just find Moblots boring; they really don't bring anything other than, now, an alright priced AP rifle or a more resilient Engineer profile than the otherwise lackluster Dozers. They aren't an awful choice now, just very 1-dimensional. Zouaves have mechanized deployment, Loup-Garou are all sorts of awesome, Briscards offer medium-long range strength with the now even-better MSV1, I just still don't feel any desire to swap anything I have out for Moblots.

Especially as I don't care for the models (but they're a bit long in the tooth).

And yeah, E/M still poses some threat to Ariadna, and will no doubt change some of my targeting priority (as do the various passive/non-hostile hacking programs), but they still aren't the same kind of threat they are to PanO or those other fancy gits with their fancy shiny toys.

**Barzam**

So, for those of you with both, what kind of differences are there between N3 and Ice Storm's Quick Start rules?

**Chillreaper**

The quick start rules in N3 seem to be the same as the mission 1 rules from O:I. Even to the point of using a three troops per side setup.

**Noir**

Barzam wrote:
So, for those of you with both, what kind of differences are there between N3 and Ice Storm's Quick Start rules?

They added the rest of the rules. No really thats about it.

**-Loki-**

Had a good read of the Haqqislam fluff last night. I really like the Govads background. And the art lacked a visor! Maybe CB have relented and won't put the visor on the Govad models afterall. They look so great without the standard yellow visor, and that comes from someone who likes the standard yellow visor.

I liked the little art piece that had a junkyard with the old Maghariba in it. That and the fluff for the new 'Scorpion' model Maghariba were great.

Looking through the profiles, and I can see a place for the Govads definitely, both in vanilla (a cheaper MSV compared to the Djanbazan) and Bahram (actually having an MSV atall). I actually do like the new Khawarij profiles, and I'll be happy to give them a try. They still look a touch expensive, especially compared to the Kotail, but I personally think their true value is going to come in the Caliphate list as a super jumping link.

**Barzam**

I got my book today. Gave it a flip through. I like the new art, though I'm not digging the Jaguar's design too much. Bare arms and no helmet? Meh. Hopefully the Bandits have a more "proper" Corregidor look to them (vacuum suits with helmets!)

I noticed that Govad art. She didn't look like she matched up with the lineart all that much, either. I'm very curious to see their figures though. I also noticed new art for the Ragik, sporting a Spitfire and the Rodok had some new artwork, too.

**Daba**

Has any 'new' female power armour been spotted?